As I said before, a lot of people think you have inside information, even those who like your posts. Part of that may be you provide information without sources that no one else seems to have. Also, you have been a member of this forum since August 2008, but apparently don't own a Genesis.
Um, only people like you continue to think that - despite me stating emphatically numerous times that I have absolutely no connection to Hyundai.
You, in particular, have chosen to simply to ignore what I had stated and continue to claim that I am biased (despite my numerous criticisms of the Genesis and Equus) to due me having some purported relationship w/ Hyundai.
Furthermore, as
Sal can attest, I know just as much about the goings on at GM (esp. when it comes to
Cadillac) - that doesn't make me in any way connected to GM.
In looking at your claims that the Genesis sedan sold 22,980 units in the US last year, you referenced this quote form the link above:
"The Genesis, which hit the market first in 2008, sold the most at 22,980 vehicles, followed by the Grandeur with 8,431 and the Equus with 3,972."
It is "possible" you are correct, but since the Grandeur is not sold in the US, how do you know that those are US sales they are talking about? In any case, since Hyundai does not separate out Genesis sedan and coupe sales numbers to the public, it is not absolutely clear how anyone could come to that conclusion, and since you didn't originally explain how you came to that conclusion, it is not unreasonable to think that maybe you do have inside information.
Um, the Grandeur is the Korean name for the Azera and Hyundai did sell 8,431 Azeras in the US that year.
And based on the fact that Hyundai sold a total of 33,973 of the Genesis (both sedan and coupe) in 2012 and not 22,980 and that it was the sedan that was launched in 2008 - it seems pretty clear that the 22,980 sales figure is referencing the Genesis sedan.
Once again, you're grasping at straws.
I did mention that recent sales of Genesis sedan has been lower than previous years for the first time in the US. I think that is accurate information, however, those are combined sedan and coupe numbers since HMA does not report them separately.
And on what basis would you assume that?
US Genesis sales (sedan and coupe)
2008 - 6167
2009 - 21,889
2010 - 29,122
2011 - 32,998
2012 - 33,973
2013 - 32,330
So 2012, the year of which the sales figures are for was the best year for total Genesis sales, so it wouldn't be out of the question that it was the best year of sale for the sedan or at the very least very close to it - which would not be bad at all for a model that was in its 5th year of sale.
And 2013 saw a slight decrease in total Genesis sales but that can be attributed to the late life cycle and the fact that the work stoppage in Korea hurt supply of certain models.
Meanwhile, sales of the previous Lexus GS went from 33,457 in 2005 all the way down to a measly 3746 in 2011.
And even if we take exception to the 2011 sales figure in that being it's last model year in the its life cycle, sales of the GS in 2009 and 2010 weren't that much better selling 7430 and 7059, respectively.
And the 4G GS saw a big decline in its sales during its 1st year, not coming anywhere close to the 33k+ that the 3G GS did and selling only 22,160 in 2012.
And things are even worse for
Infiniti with the M, so I did Hyundai is quite pleased w/ sales of the Genesis sedan, esp. considering how well it is doing late in its life cycle and being a RWD model that is hurt by the lack of AWD (unlike its competitors).
Here is a quote from the article you provided a link above:
"However, Hyundai is expected to face a bumpy road in continuing its climb in the luxury market as its Japanese and German rivals are upping their efforts in the U.S., where the luxury car market is booming.
While Hyundai saw a slight decrease in its premium sales in the first quarter [of 2013], the Lexus LS sold 72 percent more cars from a year ago. The Audi A8 and the Mercedes-Benz S Class also posted 37.3 percent and 20.2 percent growth, respectively."
That quote is simply a generality referencing that the luxury market is intensely competitive.
Hyundai is expecting to eventually see 30k/yr in sales for the 2G Genesis sedan and while the Equus is no great shakes, the Equus has had its best 6 month sales stretch from Aug of 2013 to Jan. 2014 once the refreshed Equus launched (won't see a more significant impact in the flagship segment until the next gen Equus but even so, Hyundai/Kia will probably do 8-10k in sales a yr w/ the Equus and K900 - which isn't bad at all for new entrants trying to hit the high end of the luxury sedan market w/o a luxury
badge and separate dealer network.
