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[craigt]

You guys keep on counting the turbo HP and torque as if it's a constant.

Conversely, if you're in the mountains with thin air, turbos are a god send. The NA engines are literally gasping for air, while the turbo engines are spinning right along happy as a clam.

Yes, when it hit 90s and humid in the Northeast, my Passat 1.8T would feel very sluggish. But when in the 40s, it was darn fun. Funny that when it was really cold (teens and 20s), it didn't feel as strong.

 

[geops]

zielritter: I last had a 2010 bmw 335 which is supposedly well-engineered. It was a twin-turbo engine that ran great at 50 - 60F but at 90F+ it was sluggish as hell. My wife's NA 160HP inline 4 scion tc could beat it in the heat.

craigt: exactly my point. The climate makes more of a difference than most people think while comparing stats on paper. For you turbo is the only way and for me NA is the only way just based on climate.

 

[craigt]

I don't think I said turbo is the only way for me - I don't live in the mountains - far from it. We only have a handful of days in the 90s during the summer. I've had two turbo cars: My beloved '02 Passat 1.8T (chipped) and a '97 Volvo S70 T5. I didn't get them *because* they were turbos. They were just the best engine option in the vehicle I wanted to by at that time.

I love the 3.8 in the Genesis.

 

[Big_tugg]

turbo over NA any day!

 

[CLASSYRSPEC]

If there is a vote on this subject, I say the NA V-8. Just had a Mazda CX7 2.3L turbo, and although I enjoyed the car, and it was quick, everyone knows there is always a bit of turbo lag. Gas mileage was not impressive either, probably getting the same as my V8 RSPEC. And when the turbo isn't spinning, you are still only driving a 4, or 6 cylinder vehicle. Years ago I owned an 86 Sunfire Turbo GT, and that was no great hell, altho the technology was old in today's world. Also owned a 244 Volvo Turbo in 83, and was no great hell either. But my 69 Dodge Dart GT with a 340 4BBL was awesome, and my 80 Cutlass Calais with the 305 4BBL V8 was fine as well. To each his own, I guess, but I am not getting in the middle of an argument.

 

[zielritter]

If there is a vote on this subject, I say the NA V-8. Just had a Mazda CX7 2.3L turbo, and although I enjoyed the car, and it was quick, everyone knows there is always a bit of turbo lag. Gas mileage was not impressive either, probably getting the same as my V8 RSPEC. And when the turbo isn't spinning, you are still only driving a 4, or 6 cylinder vehicle. Years ago I owned an 86 Sunfire Turbo GT, and that was no great hell, altho the technology was old in today's world. Also owned a 244 Volvo Turbo in 83, and was no great hell either. But my 69 Dodge Dart GT with a 340 4BBL was awesome, and my 80 Cutlass Calais with the 305 4BBL V8 was fine as well. To each his own, I guess, but I am not getting in the middle of an argument.

I give you the Volvo T6, Drive-E engine: http://blog.caranddriver.com/volvo-details-next-generation-drive-e-four-cylinder-engine-family-with-super-and-turbocharging-diesels/.

A super-turbo charged (sounds cartoon like) 4-cylinder engine designed to eliminate any perceived lag brought on by using a single, large turbo. The supercharger takes the reins off the line and then passes duties off to the already spooled turbo before it starts to lose steam. It also gets incredible fuel economy for a 300hp/300lb-ft engine.

My wife wants a crossover next and isn't too knocked out by the current-gen Santa Fe/Tucson so the XC60 one is on her short list.

 

[leadfoot rspec13]

Having a little involvement throughout this thread, there appears to be one constant. V6 guys will always be V6 guys. To get them to see the virtues of seamless V8 power would be like converting a vegetarian into a carnivore. It just ain't happening.

Hyundai chose to equip the Rspec with the beautiful 5.0 TAU V8. By doing so, they have set the mold for future models. To consider a V6 power plant, forced induction or otherwise for a replacement issue would alienate the current demographic, the ones who actually own one rather than those who do not, but, continue to offer their opinion.

To fuel the never-ending debate, I would suggest the Hyundai engineers add a turbo model to the V6 lineup such as the case of the Sonata and Velociraptor. This one change would open a Hatfield vs. McCoy war that will fill the threads of this forum. IMO, this would be healthy for the mark and may just open up the aftermarket.

This would be a cool car. Just do NOT call it a Rspec.

 

[geops]

turbo over NA any day!

Said the guy driving a NA V8

 

[CLASSYRSPEC]

I give you the Volvo T6, Drive-E engine: http://blog.caranddriver.com/volvo-details-next-generation-drive-e-four-cylinder-engine-family-with-super-and-turbocharging-diesels/.

A super-turbo charged (sounds cartoon like) 4-cylinder engine designed to eliminate any perceived lag brought on by using a single, large turbo. The supercharger takes the reins off the line and then passes duties off to the already spooled turbo before it starts to lose steam. It also gets incredible fuel economy for a 300hp/300lb-ft engine.

My wife wants a crossover next and isn't too knocked out by the current-gen Santa Fe/Tucson so the XC60 one is on her short list.

Oh, I forgot. How can I forget about my 2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Supercharged 3.8litre V6 And that iron maiden v6 was one hell of a workhorse. Car was fast, especially with the KN CAI and a smaller pulley, screeched like hell when you gunned it, but not quite as smooth as my Genny V8. And many V8s were faster.

Reading the comments on your link, not everyone is sold on this new S80 turbo 4 cylinder, and at 70,000CDN, I know there are many other cars well equipped for much less money. Volvo makes damn good cars, I know, I owned one, turbocharged at that too, they are okay but I am very happy with my V8.

My Rspec cost me less than 40K cdn, and the way it is equipped, that is a steal. As long as everyone is happy with what they have, or thinking of getting, that is what life is all about!

 

[Alwaysforward]

If you want to talk horsepower. Nothing touches this car... A Dodge Challenger Hellcat for around $60k. You can have a programmable car that allows you to change your horsepower from some 300 to 707 horsepower and if you can keep your foot out of it, get 20 miles per gallon. Worth watching...

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/jay-leno-drives-hellcat-challenger-does-lots-burnouts-193041012.html

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[zielritter]

Having a little involvement throughout this thread, there appears to be one constant. V6 guys will always be V6 guys. To get them to see the virtues of seamless V8 power would be like converting a vegetarian into a carnivore. It just ain't happening.

Hyundai chose to equip the Rspec with the beautiful 5.0 TAU V8. By doing so, they have set the mold for future models. To consider a V6 power plant, forced induction or otherwise for a replacement issue would alienate the current demographic, the ones who actually own one rather than those who do not, but, continue to offer their opinion.

To fuel the never-ending debate, I would suggest the Hyundai engineers add a turbo model to the V6 lineup such as the case of the Sonata and Velociraptor. This one change would open a Hatfield vs. McCoy war that will fill the threads of this forum. IMO, this would be healthy for the mark and may just open up the aftermarket.

This would be a cool car. Just do NOT call it a Rspec.

Where can one find a turbo Velociraptor these days? I heard that model was phased out after the Cretaceous period. Fast as hell, but would try to kill you if it got behind you in the corners.

 

[DRS]

If you want to talk horsepower. Nothing touches this car... A Dodge Challenger Hellcat for around $60k. You can have a programmable car that allows you to change your horsepower from some 300 to 707 horsepower and if you can keep your foot out of it, get 20 miles per gallon. Worth watching...



https://autos.yahoo.com/news/jay-leno-drives-hellcat-challenger-does-lots-burnouts-193041012.html

I have dealer promise of allocation of the Charger Hellcat version. Will be orders as soon as peering numbers come up. And no funny money pricing. Looks like they will produce as many as people will buy. This series is one for the history books.

 

[geops]

Dodge or Chrysler - no, thank you. I am not eager to spend more time in the shop than on the road.

 

[craigt]

Having a little involvement throughout this thread, there appears to be one constant. V6 guys will always be V6 guys. To get them to see the virtues of seamless V8 power would be like converting a vegetarian into a carnivore. It just ain't happening.

It's not contant, and not always.

If Hyundai chose to offer the V8 without the firmer suspension of the R-Spec in the 2013/4 model years, it would have been on my list.

Due to back issues and family comfort, the R-Spec was a non-starter. Unfortunately, that's the only way to get a V8 in a Genesis of those years.

I do get (and I'm pretty sure a lot of V6ers get) that a V8 is smoother/seamless/etc. But the incremental smoothness/seamlessness you get isn't worth it (to some) for the penalty in gas mileage/increased purchase price compared to the already buttery smooth 3.8.

That said, I am happy with the 3.8.

 

[zielritter]

It's not contant, and not always.

If Hyundai chose to offer the V8 without the firmer suspension of the R-Spec in the 2013/4 model years, it would have been on my list.

Due to back issues and family comfort, the R-Spec was a non-starter. Unfortunately, that's the only way to get a V8 in a Genesis of those years.

I do get (and I'm pretty sure a lot of V6ers get) that a V8 is smoother/seamless/etc. But the incremental smoothness/seamlessness you get isn't worth it (to some) for the penalty in gas mileage/increased purchase price compared to the already buttery smooth 3.8.

That said, I am happy with the 3.8.

I agree with this. In fact, I considered buying a new 2013 R-Spec that is still sitting on the local Hyundai lot - they are apparently having trouble getting rid of it.

I've done a fair amount of work to my V6 and I think it's pretty damn fast and smooth as well as getting nearly 30mpg on the highway. Guess you can't miss or long for something you don't know. The marginal costs exceed the marginal benefits for me at this point.

For reference, I had the old school Beta iron-block 2.0l i4 before this car (based on 90's Mitsubishi i4 designs and used in late model Elantras) and I do know the Lambda V6 is butter comparatively. It also gets roughly the same highway mileage as I did in the Elantra.

 

[Gunkk]

Well I know there were many folks who considered, and a few who actually did upgrade their 2009-2011 suspensions to the 2012 equipment.

Has anyone done the reverse with an Rspec and downgraded to the 2012 5.0 or 4.6 suspension?

 

[craigt]

After everything mentioned in this thread, this I found funny.

My family needed to go drop of some cloths to a donation center. Kids jumped in the car, and I jumped in the passenger seat. Wife comes out, smiles, and jumps in the driver seat. We start driving, and within 30 seconds, says out of nowhere: "This car is like butter. I love it."

This is coming from the woman who drives a Lexus.

I then found out (from my son, the informer) that when she took my car with my son and FIL home from a restaurant the other day, she was "inspired" to show my FIL how fast the car can accelerate. He got a kick out of it.

For those reading that "but there are kids in the car" thread, my son is 14, and she wasn't going 80+.

 

[PMCErnie]

After everything mentioned in this thread, this I found funny.

My family needed to go drop of some cloths to a donation center. Kids jumped in the car, and I jumped in the passenger seat. Wife comes out, smiles, and jumps in the driver seat. We start driving, and within 30 seconds, says out of nowhere: "This car is like butter. I love it."

This is coming from the woman who drives a Lexus.

I then found out (from my son, the informer) that when she took my car with my son and FIL home from a restaurant the other day, she was "inspired" to show my FIL how fast the car can accelerate. He got a kick out of it.

For those reading that "but there are kids in the car" thread, my son is 14, and she wasn't going 80+.

Drives "like butter" is a good description. I wanted to like a Lexus ES350 but thought it drove like an old Buick. I had no trouble choosing my Genesis instead and it cost less but had more features.

 

[leadfoot rspec13]

Take all that and add another 100hp and every bell and whistle available and you have yourself a Rspec.

The V6 is great until somebody in a Hemi 300C puts a whippin on you at traffic light. How does your girl feel then?

Just sayin.........

Anybody up for a big ol steak?

 

[CLASSYRSPEC]

Make mine well done