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LED "Position" Lights and other lighting questions

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  • I picked up a pair of T10 Wedge Item# Goldstar , Color: Super White , Lens: 194 from the world's worst looking and layed out website, Autolumination and they look fantastic, but one has burned out already (it's only been in about two weeks). I'm thinking I must have ordered the wrong part. What parts are others using (that will presumably last longer?)
  • I upgraded my driving lights to HID and had an Automotive Electronics shop install them. I'd read somewhere that I needed to get a relay because the stock fogs didn't produce enough power, but the installation guy said this wasn't necessary? They seem to work fine, but I was just curious if anyone else had this.
  • I would like to switch out the stock HID lights with some 5000K (or thereabouts) bulbs (D1S is the size, right?) I really hate the dim yellow of my stock HIDs. Does anyone know a a good, long-lasting D1S 5000K bulb?

Thanks!
 
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This post strike so many chords with me, I don't know where to start. Did a mess of research on LED's and HID's when I got the Genesis and learned there are a lot of myths and misconceptions related to both.

[*]I picked up a pair of T10 Wedge Item# Goldstar , Color: Super White , Lens: 194 from the world's worst looking and layed out website, Autolumination and they look fantastic, but one has burned out already (it's only been in about two weeks). I'm thinking I must have ordered the wrong part. What parts are others using (that will presumably last longer?)

First of all, LED's are not necessarily better...in fact, they are often worse than the stock lights when there is a reflector involved. That is because the reflector is designed to work with the incandescent filament location and the LED's are not in the correct location. Also, despite the theoretical long lifetime of LED's, they tend to produce a lot of heat at the element base and if this heat is not removed properly (with a good heat sink) there lifetime is greatly reduced. The heat can also melt/warp the plastic light housings.

Position lights are the type that last a long time as it is and it is usually a false economy to replace them (not to mention the poorer performance of the LED replacements.)

[*]I upgraded my driving lights to HID and had an Automotive Electronics shop install them. I'd read somewhere that I needed to get a relay because the stock fogs didn't produce enough power, but the installation guy said this wasn't necessary? They seem to work fine, but I was just curious if anyone else had this.

The Genesis has fog lights, not driving lights. These are designed to light the road near the car when driving slow under bad precipitation conditions. If you use them when driving they can actually compromise your farway vision because your eyes adapt to the brighter light close to the car. This is greatly exacerbated when using HID's because they are that much brighter and because the light is not focussed well because the reflectors were not designed for HID. Even worse, there is the perception of seeing better because it is lit up so brightly right in front of the car. HID lights higher frequency is also not as effective in precipitation conditions because the bluer light tends to cause focus issues and is more tiring (this is why fog lights are often yellow.)

Here are a couple good references.

HID Conversion:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

Fog lights, the proper use:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/fog_lamps/fog_lamps.html

[*]I would like to switch out the stock HID lights with some 5000K (or thereabouts) bulbs (D1S is the size, right?) I really hate the dim yellow of my stock HIDs. Does anyone know a a good, long-lasting D1S 5000K bulb?

Higher frequency HID's are less efficient and therefore produce less light. There is also evidence that the bluer light is not as good for night vision, and it definitely is more fatiguing for the driver and more likely to cause glare for other drivers. This is one reason ALL DOT HID headlights in are 4300K. Going to 6000K reduces output about 12-15%, probably more as all of the higher frequency HID's are cheap Chinese lights that do not work as well as the DOT approved better brands.

By the way, the blue light people see, around HID's is most noticeable from the side where the higher frequency light bends around the edges of the projectors. It is also related to the coating put on the reflector...it generally...or at least when lights are legal, not related to the frequency of the light (as all legal lights must be the same frequency.) If you see a really blue or purple light it is probably an illegal modification and subject to ticketing and fines, not to mention hazardous to other drivers.
 

Thanks for the info Disaster. I have read some of your previous posts and rants on color and what is necessarily brighter, etc. That's the reason I'm not going much above 5K. I don't use the fog lights unless I'm alone on the hilly, dark country, two lane road that I drive on every day. I turn them off when traffic is approaching. The truth of the matter is I can see that road much better when I have them on, it's really as simple as that.

What I really want are the intensity and color my Acura TL lights, which seemed to illuminate the road much more.
 
Thanks for the info Disaster. I have read some of your previous posts etc on color and what is necessarily brighter, etc. That's the reason I'm not going much above 5K.
What I really want are the intensity and color my Acura TL lights, which seemed to illuminate the road much more.

The Acura's lights legally, must be the same as the frequency as the Genesis. They might even be the same bulbs. The difference in appearance is is likely caused by the difference in projector design and the difference in illumination is likely caused by the superior design of the Acura's reflector and projector. Changing the bulb won't improve output, only reduce it.

P.S. What year is your Acura TL? I have a 2003, the last year they used refectors for their HIDs, as opposed to projectors.

Here is another link on the subject of blue light color (Daniel Stern has a wealth of information on his website.)

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/blue/bad/bad.html
 
My Acura is an 04. Thanks for the Daniel Stern link.
 
The reason why most factory HID bulbs are 4300K is because it's the most close color temperature to the sun.
It also puts out most light output at that kelvin temperature.
Disaster summed up pretty good.

Those illegal HID kits on the road makes me cringe all the time.
I had a 6000K HID kit on my older car when I didn't know better and I learned that it's best not to mess with factory lighting.
Seriously, if I were a LEO, I would ticket ALL those illegal lighting modifications on the road.
Not only it negatively affects the driver's night vision, but also blinds the oncoming traffic.

I think going to 5000K isn't gonna affect the performance too much. It'll just give it a more white-ish output, which is what you're after I believe.
Good luck, and let us know how you like the new bulbs.

Dan
 
The reason why most factory HID bulbs are 4300K is because it's the most close color temperature to the sun.
It also puts out most light output at that kelvin temperature.

I recall the sun is closer to 6000K...but there are a lot of technical reasons that night light should not be the same as the sun, related to how eyes see in the darkened conditions (mesopic vision.)

Those illegal HID kits on the road makes me cringe all the time.
I had a 6000K HID kit on my older car when I didn't know better and I learned that it's best not to mess with factory lighting.
Seriously, if I were a LEO, I would ticket ALL those illegal lighting modifications on the road.
Not only it negatively affects the driver's night vision, but also blinds the oncoming traffic.

This is especially true for older drivers, people who wear glasses and anyone with refraction issues, such as someone who have eye surgery. Putting HID's in housings not designed for them endangers these people and anyone on the road with them and it is that much worse when the HID's are a higher frequency.

I think going to 5000K isn't gonna affect the performance too much. It'll just give it a more white-ish output, which is what you're after I believe.
Good luck, and let us know how you like the new bulbs.

The biggest issue will be finding a quality 5000K light since the companies that make quality lighting for automotive use, don't make bulbs outside the required specifications. Also, I doubt you would even notice the difference between 5000K and 4300K.
 
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