New Genesis Owner, HID Install throwing TPMS, Any help?

[LantanaTXGenesis]

BRFATAL- why don't you get some comparison's of factory HIDs vs. Factory Halogens vs. Factory Halogen Projectors with an HID Kit installed....with one key common denominator, make it a frickin' GENESIS, or at least the same vehicle in each picture.

Look at your pics, they aren't even the same vehicle. Who knows where you copy and pasted those crappy pics from. If you really want to tell us how wrong we are at least do the research and compare a stock Genesis w/ factory HIDs to a stock Genesis with an aftermarket kit in the halogen projectors.

Based on your pics....I've yet to see a Genesis with a hood scoop....

On a another point, I received the updated XB35 H11b bulbs from Lightwerkz today (shipped from TRS). They went in easy, and already appear to have better dispersion than the DDM bulbs due to the location of the return wire.

While others may have had a different experience, my experience with Caesar over at Lightwerkz, as well as his help from Nate over at TRS has been awesome.

Sending back the standard H11's that came with the kit that didn't fit, and will let you know if for some reason they don't honor the refund they are claiming they will give. Up to this point I have no reason to believe otherwise, they have been great.

 

[1FstYota]

BRFATAL- why don't you get some comparison's of factory HIDs vs. Factory Halogens vs. Factory Halogen Projectors with an HID Kit installed....with one key common denominator, make it a frickin' GENESIS, or at least the same vehicle in each picture.

Look at your pics, they aren't even the same vehicle. Who knows where you copy and pasted those crappy pics from. If you really want to tell us how wrong we are at least do the research and compare a stock Genesis w/ factory HIDs to a stock Genesis with an aftermarket kit in the halogen projectors.

Based on your pics....I've yet to see a Genesis with a hood scoop....

On a another point, I received the updated XB35 H11b bulbs from Lightwerkz today (shipped from TRS). They went in easy, and already appear to have better dispersion than the DDM bulbs due to the location of the return wire.

While others may have had a different experience, my experience with Caesar over at Lightwerkz, as well as his help from Nate over at TRS has been awesome.

Sending back the standard H11's that came with the kit that didn't fit, and will let you know if for some reason they don't honor the refund they are claiming they will give. Up to this point I have no reason to believe otherwise, they have been great.

Pics he posted looks like bug eye STIs or WRX. That's cool you found a ballast that doesn't cause the issue.

Let me know if you noticed a big difference with the DDM bulbs vs the Morimoto bulbs once you get it. I would be interested to switch my out also.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

I had DDM bulbs in my old projectors and when I switched them out for Morimoto's, I immediately noticed a much better output and spread.

Someone post a pic of their genesis with HID kit and I will post the pic I have of my stock Genesis HID's. Then that will be a comparison!

 

[kman]

So after spending way too much time trying to wrap the ballasts and ignitors in various foils, as well as relocating the ballasts to different locations, I gave in and bought a new kit from Lightwerkz.net (they are underneath the distribution of TheRetrofitSource). I bougt the new kit hoping the TPMS light would not come on!

The kit I bought was the Morimoto Elite Kit and cost about $130. As soon as I took the ballasts out of the box I could immediately feel the quality difference. They probably weigh at least twice the weight of the DDM's, likely due to proper shielding inside the casing. I also had them include the Can-Bus adapter, as Caesar over at Lightwerkz thought that may help cure the TPMS issue.

Install was rather straight forward (as it had been with the DDMs), however, the ballasts were larger and the wiring was also more substancial in weight and size due to better shielding, thus causing the need to mount the balast and Can-Bus outside of the headlight housing. I simply got my 1" drill bit and drilled holes in the dust caps for the wire to pull through, and then used the included seals to make sure there was no way of dust or water penetrating into the housing.

I did encounter an issue with the standard H11 bulbs that came with the Morimoto Elite Kit, as they would not fit into the headlight housing. After inspecting them I noticed the 3 plastic tabs were quite a bit thicker than the tabs on the stock halogen bulbs or the DDM bulbs. I managed to beat the one bulb up pretty bad convincing myself it had to fit, but it sounds like Caesar over at Lightwerkz is going to treat me right and let me return the bulbs for a set of H11b's that appear to have thinner tabs.

I will report back after I've had a chance to install (hopefully fit) the new bulbs. In the meantime I am using my DDM bulbs and can confirm I am no longer getting a TPMS failure light like what I was with the DDM ballasts and wiring. I drove over 1000 miles Mon-Wed this week on a business trip in NW Texas with at least 700 during the nightime hours. So I really can confirm that the TPMS issue was not present. What a difference between now and the stock halogens! To those who want to chime in and claim I am endangering other drivers with an "illegal" kit, I drove on plenty of 2-lane highways during these 700 miles of nightime driving and didn't get the F-U headlight flash a single time. I also put the Genesis out in the middle of our street at about 10pm with its headlights on and put my wifes Mercedes E350 with stock HIDS out next to it with its headlights on. The Genesis with the aftermarket kit had the same look to an oncoming vehicle as the E350.

I haven't noticed a big difference in lighting quality between the DDM and Morimoto kits, but I think part of that could be due to the fact that I am still using the DDM bulbs. I'm hoping the H11B's (XB35) from Morimoto will provide slightly sharper cutoffs and light dispersion. On a few other forums I've found very positive reviews with these bulbs and they are supposedly built to have a shorter glass portion, closer to that of our stock halogen bulbs. Sounds like this was a design effort to try and get ride of any glare that could be dangerous to oncoming traffice, essentially building an aftermarket xenon bulb that had similar dimensions to a halogen bulb.

Overall, wish I would have worked with Caesar over at Lightwerkz before sending $50 over to DDM. Yes the Morimoto kit is more than double the price, but sometimes you really do get what you pay for.

Will report back soon after I've had a chance to install the new bulbs and get some miles on them.

I had the same kit in my Genesis for around a year. Light output was so much better than stock halogens and the cutoff was pretty good, but not as sharp as stock HIDs. I think the halogen projectors do a very decent job with hid bulbs, even thou they were not designed for them. They of course did not shine any further, since the cutoff is the same, but they seemed to illuminate a wider area which was great with all the deer that hang out by the side of the roads in the morning.

I also had the same problem with the original ceramic based HID bulbs not fitting, due to the tabs being too thick. TRS send me alternate ones that fit without issues after I told them about my problems.

However, after a year, one of the bulbs started flickering when turning the light on. Then came another weird problem, when turning my turn signal on, both lights would turn off for a second. This would not happen every time, but more and more often and always with the turn signal. This was weird since I had the ballasts powered directly by the battery, through a relay that came with the kit. So either the turn signals caused a small battery voltage drop that the ballast could not handle, or the signal that controlled the relay would cut off briefly, causing the relay to disconnect the ballasts for a second. This only showed up towards the end of the year I had them installed.

I took everything apart twice to make sure I didn't have any loose connections, and still the same issues. Finally I just decided that it was too time consuming to troubleshoot now, and I put the stock lights back in.

One other thing I didn't like was that the grommet provided did not offer as good of a seal as the gasket and cover on the light cover. So over time, I'm sure some dust/film will make it inside of the light housing. But if someone did a better job sealing it, then they could avoid that.

Now I am back to stock and miss the light output, but I do not have any of the issues I had with the light switching off with the turn signal, which was annoying. I also have my yellowish headlights matching my yellowish foglights again

Good luck and I hope you do not run into the same problems.

PS. As far as blinding HID lights, the worst ones (that blinded me the most), besides the ones in raised SUVs with reflectors, are Acura TSX and TL ones, that are OEM hids. So many times I thought an oncoming driver had their high beams on, only to find out it was a TSX or a TL with their low beam OEM hids.

 

[brfatal]

I'm aware of the "difference" in HID projector housings, so based on your logic I should go out and spend 1000 dollars or more and spend it on retorfitting to be technically correct?

brfatal - Since your calling people out on the forums about they don't know their shit, what excatly would you like to get out of this? Do you want every single one of us uneducated people to go out and spend money on retrofitting?

$1,000? Some full retrofit kits can be had for $300. I don't know what would fit in Genesis headlights so I can't say what it would cost for your car. $1,000 is how much it would cost if you upper end parts (ie E55 projectors) and if you were paying the overpriced labor that some retrofitting shops charge to do the work for you I'm sure you could just buy factory Genesis HID headlights for less than that if you don't want to do the work yourself.

I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm wanting you either to do it the right way or don't do it at all.

BRFATAL- why don't you get some comparison's of factory HIDs vs. Factory Halogens vs. Factory Halogen Projectors with an HID Kit installed....with one key common denominator, make it a frickin' GENESIS, or at least the same vehicle in each picture.

Look at your pics, they aren't even the same vehicle. Who knows where you copy and pasted those crappy pics from. If you really want to tell us how wrong we are at least do the research and compare a stock Genesis w/ factory HIDs to a stock Genesis with an aftermarket kit in the halogen projectors.

I don't need to put my hand a hot Whirlpool stove to tell you that a glowing General Electric stove will also be hot. I'm posting examples to show the concept that having projectors doesn't mean it works well. Some headlights will obviously not be as bad as others, however it doesn't mean that the general reasons you shouldn't be doing it don't exist and I gave one of several quick explanation of why. If these pictures existed for a Genesis I would have posted them, but they don't.

 

[1FstYota]

Man I bet I can drive past this clown without him ever noticing my hids are real or not.

So your saying I want Ferrari performance I shouldn't modify my car I should just get a Ferrari?

 

[marty5marty]

I had the same problem but mine stopped randomly...happened only twice at night aswell

 

[visitor]

Man I bet I can drive past this clown without him ever noticing my hids are real or not.

So your saying I want Ferrari performance I shouldn't modify my car I should just get a Ferrari?

Im betting you cant. You can always tell a well done hid setup vs. Throwing your junk china hid kit in a halogen projector (btw, the halogen projector in the genesis isn't a very good projector anyhow.. terrible width with a messed up focus)

What hes saying, that you can't seem to grasp, is: if you want Ferrari performance, you cannot achieve it by throwing a 3 foot wing on your ford focus.

What it all boils down to is this: if you dont know, and dont care to know how or why to do things right, then go ahead and use the p n p hid kit in the car. You likely wont get flashed. But you WILL NOT get the performance of a true, well done hid setup. And in all honesty, you'll very likely lose output from factory halogen bulbs.

 

[brfatal]

So your saying I want Ferrari performance I shouldn't modify my car I should just get a Ferrari?

I'm wanting you either to do it the right way or don't do it at all.

Because that's exactly what I said.

Here is another analogy for you. If you want a fast Supra you don't just get a downpipe and a boost controller and crank up boost for 30 psi. You have to do it the right way and get all of the other parts you really need. If you don't, there will be problems.

 

[1FstYota]

There you go doing supras the wrong way.

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[1FstYota]

Im betting you cant. You can always tell a well done hid setup vs. Throwing your junk china hid kit in a halogen projector (btw, the halogen projector in the genesis isn't a very good projector anyhow.. terrible width with a messed up focus)

What hes saying, that you can't seem to grasp, is: if you want Ferrari performance, you cannot achieve it by throwing a 3 foot wing on your ford focus.

What it all boils down to is this: if you dont know, and dont care to know how or why to do things right, then go ahead and use the p n p hid kit in the car. You likely wont get flashed. But you WILL NOT get the performance of a true, well done hid setup. And in all honesty, you'll very likely lose output from factory halogen bulbs.

Wow buddy don't get your panties in a bunch, I can promise you I don't lose much sleep over this. Don't always assume someone doesn't know something.

So anyone gonna keep the attitude or we gonna start posting some pics of cheapo vs real deal HID stuff?

 

[OneFunGenesis]

http://www.tunemytoyota.com/forum/showpost.php?p=97644&postcount=4

 

[brfatal]

There you go doing supras the wrong way.

That was me making a relatable point. There is a right way and a wrong way.

 

[1FstYota]

So here is a question, does anyone know if the OEM HID cars have different projectors than none HID cars? Obviously the base is different I'm talking about the actual projector lense itself, if its the same between HID and none HID cars then what differents does it make?

The d2s bulbs looks pretty much the same its not like its a d2r bulb with corret sheilding for non projector style lamps.

 

[brfatal]

So here is a question, does anyone know if the OEM HID cars have different projectors than none HID cars? Obviously the base is different I'm talking about the actual projector lense itself, if its the same between HID and none HID cars then what differents does it make?

The d2s bulbs looks pretty much the same its not like its a d2r bulb with corret sheilding for non projector style lamps.

I'm not sure what you mean about D2S bulbs looking the same.

And that's the entire point about why HIDs don't work in halogen headlights, because the optics themselves are different. There is also the matter that HID kits don't sit in the same places in the optics as OE-grade HID bulbs, but it's not as huge of a deal compared to running HIDs in halogen optics.

 

[GenesisCaptain]

So here is a question, does anyone know if the OEM HID cars have different projectors than none HID cars? Obviously the base is different I'm talking about the actual projector lense itself, if its the same between HID and none HID cars then what differents does it make?

My experience with other cars (BMWs) that have projectors for HID and non-HID options is that the projector assemblies are different. HID capsules have a longitudinal light source whereas most normal halogen bulbs have a transverse light source. The nut is that the reflector and lens are built do a different focal point. If you move the light source away from the focal point, then the pattern disperses and light output is "lost" to the heavens.

At a glance from the outside, they looked the same. However, when you disassembled the enclosures, they innerds looked different. I could not measure the lens focal length, but if the reflector is a different shape and distance from the lens, it is probably reasonable to assume that the lens is different too.

 

[1FstYota]

My experience with other cars (BMWs) that have projectors for HID and non-HID options is that the projector assemblies are different. HID capsules have a longitudinal light source whereas most normal halogen bulbs have a transverse light source. The nut is that the reflector and lens are built do a different focal point. If you move the light source away from the focal point, then the pattern disperses and light output is "lost" to the heavens.

At a glance from the outside, they looked the same. However, when you disassembled the enclosures, they innerds looked different. I could not measure the lens focal length, but if the reflector is a different shape and distance from the lens, it is probably reasonable to assume that the lens is different too.

Yes, and that is what I'm looking for. I'm wondering since this is not a BMW if hyundai just used some generic projector setup. Now I'm curious to dissasemble a HID vs Non HID projector just to see the difference inside.

Would also be interesting to see a Prada edition headlight.

So we definatly need some pictures of Genesis oem HID vs ebay kits.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

I have been waiting for you to post pics of your headlights so I can post my OEM HID. Why do you ask questions for things you have the answers for???? Take a pic and upload it. I will then copy and host it and put up a pic of mine.

Unless you want the SAME car (VIN the same) comparison....that's not going to happen.

Ball is in your court.

 

[1FstYota]

I have been waiting for you to post pics of your headlights so I can post my OEM HID. Why do you ask questions for things you have the answers for???? Take a pic and upload it. I will then copy and host it and put up a pic of mine.

Unless you want the SAME car (VIN the same) comparison....that's not going to happen.

Ball is in your court.

Haha did I really say I was gonna take pics? Alright I'll take some tonight with my note 2 hope it will turn out ok. It was a long weekend trying to get the other whip ready.

Stay tuned.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

Thanks! I have my pic taken all ready haha