No Lane Centering for '15 Genesis

[Fast55]

Yeah, old timer, but over 20,000 lives can be saved every year by developing/ implementing autonomous cars.

Yeah, and we could save many thousands more if we outlawed cigarettes, motorcycles, etc. etc.

I believe the point is, that these technologies are not necessary any more than iPod integration, cruise control, or power windows and they add cost and complexity, making the cars with all these bells and whistles all but impossible to keep and maintain after the warranty is done.

Too much technology is a real possibility for that reason and because drivers can be either overwhelmed by "data overload", or disconnected because they are overly reliant on the car's systems. As you posted, "The system is designed to ease the driver’s workload on freeways only, in bumper-to-bumper traffic and on long road trips; however, the driver’s attention is still required."

The haptic feedback in the steering wheel of my last BMW for lane keeping scared the hell out of the wife and she nearly wrecked the car the first time it "went off" as she called it.

I'm all for technology, but every new fancy "doo dad" that comes out isn't necessarily a good thing.

 

[ksoze]

I am all for nanny systems for the insane drivers around me. If it can help keep that minivan with the driver texting from coming into my lane, I'm all for it. I on the other hand tend to drive the car as though it is a 4000 pound metal object and enjoy the technologies which make that drive more enjoyable - doing the actual driving for me is not one of them. Some which are last minute disaster saves, such as braking when an impending accident is occurring is fine - I just don't need the car to start driving or parking for me - I need to feel useful as I get older.

 

[Philth]

Yeah, and we could save many thousands more if we outlawed cigarettes, motorcycles, etc. etc.

I believe the point is, that these technologies are not necessary any more than iPod integration, cruise control, or power windows and they add cost and complexity, making the cars with all these bells and whistles all but impossible to keep and maintain after the warranty is done.

Too much technology is a real possibility for that reason and because drivers can be either overwhelmed by "data overload", or disconnected because they are overly reliant on the car's systems. As you posted, "The system is designed to ease the driver’s workload on freeways only, in bumper-to-bumper traffic and on long road trips; however, the driver’s attention is still required."

The haptic feedback in the steering wheel of my last BMW for lane keeping scared the hell out of the wife and she nearly wrecked the car the first time it "went off" as she called it.

I'm all for technology, but every new fancy "doo dad" that comes out isn't necessarily a good thing.

And with every fancy doo dad, comes a hefty price tag to repair.

 

[dfd5280]

I'm old, but I don't need a car to drive for me yet............

Thank you!

 

[Vince2]

Advanced technologies means make sure you buy the extended warranty. When that stuff breaks it will cost a small fortune to fix. My SCC module had to be replaced. The dealer said the module list for over 3K! If my car was out of warranty that item would never be repaired.

 

[larry'sown]

Yeah, old timer, but over 20,000 lives can be saved every year by developing/ implementing autonomous cars.

Lol, old timer? Im 26! All these new tech features do is give drivers another reason to be lazy. If you can't keep your car in your lane, can't parallel park(don't you have to know how to do this to get your license?!), can't be bothered to keep a safe distance from the car in front of you on your own, perhaps you should not be on the road. As someone who routinely takes long road trips(Chicago last month and the race at Sebring next week) I can't imagine having my car drive for me. I want no part of it whatsoever. I wonder what the liability will be for auto compaines when these "driving aides" fail. And they will fail. I'm sure there will be some idiot that will sue some manufacturer for failing to keep his car from entering another lane. What's worse is he'd probably win the lawsuit too. /rant

 

[larry'sown]

Just remember that those that brush off advancements such as these as "ridiculous" are driving cars with electronically controlled windows, A/C, stereos, cruise control, auto-headlights, bluetooth, iPod integration, etc... you know, stuff that people in the past have also brushed off as "ridiculous."

Not even remotely the same. You are making the mistake of comparing convenience features to those that actually drive the car for you. The only analogy that sticks is cruise control, which I never use. Most of the other things you listed I either dont have or don't use. My car doesn't even have stability or traction cintrol.

 

[dreamofgenesis]

Hyundai's comment for New Sonata not having LKAS(Lane Keeping Assist System).

"New Sonata doesn't have LKAS(Lane Keeping Assist System) because of "safety" issues.

Back in 2011, Hyundai tried this technology in Grandeur HG("Azera") but just before the debut of the car, Hyundai removed this function and then released the car with Land Departure Warning System only. This happened the same way for New Sonata again.

Why did Hyundai decide to remove LKAS for the sonata?

First of of, it's because of rough road condition in South Korea. There are various circumstances of many roads with lanes deleted, winding roads, in and out to a tunnel, lanes difficult to be discerned even in human eyes. LKAS might not work well in these conditions. There is a chance of an accident with the malfunction of this LKAS and Hyundai may be responsible legally for it if a accident happens.

Second of all, it's the"price". It'll increase the price of the car. It can be risk/heavy burden for Hyundai to add this "imperfect" function of LKAS. "

I guess they thought the same way for 2015 New Genesis.

 

[Imbuer]

I would still prefer that the vehicles around me have collision avoidance systems, rather than me and my family risk having a debilitating accident due to moronic or impaired drivers.

And, I actually believe that these systems can be perfected, given time and effort.

BTW, the new Genesis will have LKA, just not Lane Centering. The former prevents lane drift, while the latter maintains the vehicle in the lane center.

Sorry larry'sown, I thought you were an older person poo-pooing new tech. Admittedly, some new tech is pretty lame, like My Ford Touch, but the proven life-saving tech like skid/ traction control and ABS are needed, particularly for less skilled/ experienced drivers, so maybe Autonomous Cars will have their place too (with a little help from Google).

 

[PMCErnie]

Let's knock off the age-related comments.

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[ksoze]

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[dfd5280]

Lol, old timer? Im 26! All these new tech features do is give drivers another reason to be lazy. If you can't keep your car in your lane, can't parallel park(don't you have to know how to do this to get your license?!), can't be bothered to keep a safe distance from the car in front of you on your own, perhaps you should not be on the road. As someone who routinely takes long road trips(Chicago last month and the race at Sebring next week) I can't imagine having my car drive for me. I want no part of it whatsoever. I wonder what the liability will be for auto compaines when these "driving aides" fail. And they will fail. I'm sure there will be some idiot that will sue some manufacturer for failing to keep his car from entering another lane. What's worse is he'd probably win the lawsuit too. /rant

Some of the state legislatures have already address the liability issues of "self driving" cars. No matter what the technology the ultimate repsonsibility is with the driver. Not a surprise really.

 

[larry'sown]

I would still prefer that the vehicles around me have collision avoidance systems, rather than me and my family risk having a debilitating accident due to moronic or impaired drivers.

And, I actually believe that these systems can be perfected, given time and effort.

BTW, the new Genesis will have LKA, just not Lane Centering. The former prevents lane drift, while the latter maintains the vehicle in the lane center.

Sorry larry'sown, I thought you were an older person poo-pooing new tech. Admittedly, some new tech is pretty lame, like My Ford Touch, but the proven life-saving tech like skid/ traction control and ABS are needed, particularly for less skilled/ experienced drivers, so maybe Autonomous Cars will have their place too (with a little help from Google).

It has nothing to do with an age gap. Technology is great. It's when said technology detracts from the driving experience is where I have to draw the line.

 

[larry'sown]

Some of the state legislatures have already address the liability issues of "self driving" cars. No matter what the technology the ultimate repsonsibility is with the driver. Not a surprise really.

"Some states", but not all. And do you really think that would stop a lawsuit in a state that hasn't addressed those concerns yet. Toyota had to pay millions because people don't know what to do when their car is accelerating. Think about that.

 

[landtuna]

I was really hoping that the new Genesis would have automatic Lane Centering as part of its Lane Keep Assist feature, but according to an email response I received from Hyundai national customer service, they have not heard of it.

Too bad, because several of its competitors already have it.

It's a great feature for long highway drives.

The 2015 Ultimate I saw several days ago offered lane assist as standard equipment. I don't know if lesser models do.

 

[KyKernel]

Agreed. The technology is getting out of control (and ridiculously expensive to repair). I still think the funniest technology is rain sensing wipers.

Wow. You apparently have not used the rain sensing wipers. If you set them for interval wiping, the sensor will determine the interval. You can still set it for shorter or longer intervals, and it will then adjust for the amount of rain.
I don't like my wipers going at maximum speed all the time, and I don't care to readjust them every time I pass a truck that is sending out a storm of its own. Let the car take care of that.

 

[brfatal]

I'm old, but I don't need a car to drive for me yet............

Seriously. Talk about lazy. This is the last thing we need put in cars.

Wow. You apparently have not used the rain sensing wipers. If you set them for interval wiping, the sensor will determine the interval. You can still set it for shorter or longer intervals, and it will then adjust for the amount of rain.
I don't like my wipers going at maximum speed all the time, and I don't care to readjust them every time I pass a truck that is sending out a storm of its own. Let the car take care of that.

Yours work different than mine then. The lightest spray and my wipers go batshit on full speed. The automatic wiper setting has 2 speeds: way too fast and if-these-were-propellors-I'd-be-taking-off. I keep them on manual.

 

[scottdk]

Wow. You apparently have not used the rain sensing wipers. If you set them for interval wiping, the sensor will determine the interval. You can still set it for shorter or longer intervals, and it will then adjust for the amount of rain.
I don't like my wipers going at maximum speed all the time, and I don't care to readjust them every time I pass a truck that is sending out a storm of its own. Let the car take care of that.

Well said - Mine work much better than I thought they would, and I'm very happy with the sensor's ability to adjust for the conditions.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I've become addicted to rain sensing wipers as well. A car not having them is a deal breaker to me. I really like the appearance of the Lexus GS F-Sport but you lose rain sensing wipers and a couple of other things. No deal... They're very convenience. It's just as nice as automatic temperature control.

 

[Midnightsun]

I've become addicted to rain sensing wipers as well. A car not having them is a deal breaker to me. I really like the appearance of the Lexus GS F-Sport but you lose rain sensing wipers and a couple of other things. No deal... They're very convenience. It's just as nice as automatic temperature control.

I fully agree. In fact, I never seem to turn on my wipers any more, just leave them on automatic and they take care of themselves. I would compare this to auto headlights also.

Speaking of Wipers. Semi annual treatments of Aquapel makes a night and day difference, amazing stuff.