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Notes on the tire replacement

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So, I did the Hankook->Michelin swap for my 2015 3.8 AWD Ultimate a few weeks back. Now that I've amassed about 1500 miles on the new rubber, I thought I'd toss my impressions into the mix.

First, Hyundai's service approach and in particular its recall/replacement procedure -- clueless, tone deaf, bureaucratic. If anything can slow the adoption of the Genesis, it would be that this company is not geared to service for $50K automobiles. But that's for another thread....

The old Hankooks were a very smooth riding tire. I had no issues with them other than the really nasty flatspotting that made the first 5 miles of a drive reminiscent of the Flintstones car (with those not-cool square rock wheels).

The Michelins do not ride as smoothly. There is a subtle, but definitely there, gravelly effect compared to the Hankooks. It's not significant, and really only appears at highway speeds. That to me is the only downside to the swap -- a modest degradation of ride smoothness.

The upside is more significant, and surprising. My one disappointment with the Genny (other than Hyundai service) has been its somewhat flabby cornering. The car has a good bit of body lean, seems to have some trouble firming itself up in the curves, and feels more Town Car than Porsche in hard cornering.

Or I should say, used to.

The switch to Michelin rubber subtly changes the personality of the car. It's still not a sports sedan, but the new tires make the car more precise and agile around curves and in cornering. I suppose it has something to do with harder sidewalls or the tread pattern or whatever -- don't know. But this is a more satisfying handling experience with the Michelin rubber.

The Genny EPS is pretty good, as electrically assisted steering goes. But it had an annoying tendency to slightly over-correct as it came out of modestly hard cornering maneuvers -- causing the car to slightly oversteer. I had just racked this up to the nature of EPS, of which I am not a fan. So....that is gone now. Much more predictable, stable behavior both in and coming out of corners. Less wallow, and snapback has been all but eliminated.

Other improvements include a better sense of road surface feedback. I know that with an EPS setup, this is mostly the programming and not actual physics at work, but whatever way it accomplishes it, I feel that the car with Michelin provides better feedback and road feel. In fact, I think the new tires are generally a more ideal fit for the steering setup on the Genny.

I've been driving a good many years. I never really thought a tire could make this kind of difference in the overall feel and demeanor of a car. I lament the loss of that ultra-smooth (after 5 miles) ride of the Hankook, but the car is more fun to drive with Michelin. It's still no Porsche, but definitely no longer a Town Car.....
 
I had Michelin mxv4s on my 2006 Charger which was a similar sized car and they were great handling tires! I suspect if we drop a higher end tire on these cars you'll see a big change in handling as well (high end toyos or something)

My genesis got the tires changed before it was released from the dealership when i bought it (took about a week for them to change them for some reason).

I got continentals though not Michelin's so dunno how they compare to originals cause i never got to drive on them.
 
So, my dealer mentioned that I can swap out from the Hankooks to the Michelin any time. I am leasing on 3yr 45k miles and will do all of that 45k or more.

My concern is, will the Michelins last 50k? I live in Michigan and we have snow! So I need something that can work in the snow. My thoughts are that I should drive on the Hankooks for 15-20,000 miles and then get the Michelins.

However, the Hankooks vibrate all the time for me. The dealer even did a road foce balance, and found that it was out of alignment from the factory. They aligned it and said I need to replace the tires. Do you guys think I should do it or wait?
 
I think if I were to change the tires on my 2015 3.8 RWD Ultimate, I'd go for the Bridgestone Driveguard with a "W" speed rating or the Pirelli Cinturato P7 with a "V" rating.

I'm keeping my Hankooks for now. Presently they have around 6600 miles on them and have been as smooth or smoother than any tire on any other car I've owned over the last 55 years or so.
 
I have never gotten good tire wear with Michelin tires. I had these on my first Azera and lasted 35K..Other cars that I have owned never did well with Michelin's.
So far I am happy with Hankooks but will change tires if I can get Continental DWS tires
subbed instead of Michelin's ... I'll pay the price difference if necessary.... Those DWS tires are great all season performers and last over 50K miles
 
I've been posting my take on the Michelins for a while now. I've had very good results with them also but have gotten a lot of negative feedback from the people who are shall we say "Hankook aficionados. Aside from the facts you stated I also commented on how bad the Hankooks performed in less than favorable weather. Big difference with the Michelins. These are good light snow and rain tires which in my neck of the woods is very important. I had these tires on my Infinti G AWD and it was great in the snow. I'm very pleased with the new tires
 
I think if I were to change the tires on my 2015 3.8 RWD Ultimate, I'd go for the Bridgestone Driveguard with a "W" speed rating or the Pirelli Cinturato P7 with a "V" rating.

I'm keeping my Hankooks for now. Presently they have around 6600 miles on them and have been as smooth or smoother than any tire on any other car I've owned over the last 55 years or so.

Great choice of tire, the Pirelli Cinturato P7 plus are the best in comfort and noise reduction. Nothing like it, another great choice michelin Premier® A/S. On another note Michelin mxm4 are rated higher in tirerack.com compare to the Hankook so who to believe? Either way I'm swapping my tires as soon as possible.
 
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On another note Michelin mxm4 are rated higher in tirerack.com compare to the Hankook so who to believe?

I think you have that backwards, the Hankook's rate higher.
 
I think you have that backwards, the Hankook's rate higher.

Hankook
Ride comfort 7.30
Noise comfort 7.24
Handling 7.54
Dry
Cornering 7.05
Wet
Cornering 6.31

Michelin
Ride comfort 7.86
Noise comfort 7.46
Handling 7.33
Dry
Cornering 6.81
Wet
Cornering 7.48

This is just a few of the rating. Am I missing something?
 
The correct model tires for the Genesis V6?

I am getting different ratings for the OEM Michelin Primacy MXM4 compared to the previous OEM Hankook Ventus S1 Noble2.

Here's a few screenshots
 

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I think your confusing consumer ratings with tire rack expert test rating.

I'm not confusing it, that's what I was using. I assumed you were too, as that is what is usually compared here, based on real world input from buyers.

I also think the tire rack expert comparison is scored against tires in the same performance class - these two are not in the same class or category. One is a Grand Touring tire, the other an Ultra High Performance tire, each of which is pitted against similar class tires.
 
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I'm not confusing it, that's what I was using. I assumed you were too, as that is what is usually compared here, based on real world input from buyers.

I also think the tire rack expert comparison is scored against tires in the same performance class - these two are not in the same class or category. One is a Grand Touring tire, the other an Ultra High Performance tire, each of which is pitted against similar class tires.

Wrong. All tires are rated with the same rating system. For comparison they use similar tires within category. Meaning high performance tires against high performance tires but the rating are all equal across the board which makes sense.
 
Well, I'm probably going to regret this, but.....I'll wade in to this part of the conversation....

I've actually purchased tires, twice, from Tire Rack. The first time, I paid attention to the user ratings, which told a more positive story about the tire in question (neither Michelin nor Hankook) than my usual sole source (Consumer Reports). That was a mistake; CR was right about the tire. The second time, I bought according to what CR told me (ignoring the TR reviews), and it turned out much better. So I'm not a fan of TR's user reviews; I think they suffer pretty badly from fanboy syndrome.

But CR is also not perfect. They do a good job of objective testing at a point in time, but their testing often misses long term issues with a product. So I kind of triangulate CR with other sites like KBB or JDPower. The latter consistently awards Michelin a top honor, and they've generally savaged Hankook. For example, the current passenger car evaluations:

http://www.jdpower.com/ratings/stud...-Satisfaction-Study/554ENG/Passenger-Car/1185

Hankook doesn't even show up in the Luxury or Performance Sport categories.

As in my original post, I'm not categorically slamming the Hankooks. Great ride, more luxury tilted than the Michelins. But my definite sense is that the Michelins handle better and make the car more agile. It's a subtle improvement, but it is unmistakable. And if you hate the flatspotting on the Hankooks...and I LOATHED those tires every morning in the colder months for the first 5 bumpy miles....Hyundai has wisely given you a path to happy.

That being said, if you can run the original tires for a while for free and still get the swap, hey....free rubber. I did the swap early (car only had 8K miles on it), but the flatspotting made me dislike the car (or at least not like it as much), so I'm glad I pulled the trigger quickly. YMMV.

On one more point...another poster had mentioned the bad Hankook performance in slick conditions. I can attest to that. Had some genuinely scary moments in snowy conditions on those puppies. Time (and this winter) will tell about the Michelins.
 
So I'm not a fan of TR's user reviews; I think they suffer pretty badly from fanboy syndrome.
One thing to watch out for on TR user reviews is the number of reported miles for the reviews. Some tires have a relatively low sample size of reviewers (they base them on total miles driven, not number of reviewers).

TR also occasionally does its own tire reviews (in groups of 4 or 5), sort of like CR, that I think are quite good.
 
As in my original post, I'm not categorically slamming the Hankooks. Great ride, more luxury tilted than the Michelins. But my definite sense is that the Michelins handle better and make the car more agile. It's a subtle improvement, but it is unmistakable.

I could not disagree more. I still have the Hankook's on my 3.8 AWD and have been driving a loaner 3.8 AWD with Michelin's for the past 2 weeks. I feel that the ride quality is overall somewhat better (smoother/less "harsh" on bumps) with the Michelins. However, handling is noticeable worse. When pushed into turns the car feels "squirelly" and less planted with the Michelins.

There is a sharp curve near my house that I routinely enjoy driving through at a "spirited" speed - the Hankooks track beautifully and never lose grip whereas, at the same speed, the Michelins have me drifting into the opposite lane. To me the Michelin's are nowhere near as confidence inspiring with respect to handling and it makes sense to me based on tire class: The Hankooks are Ultra Perfomance All Season while the Michelins are Grand Touring.

I find the Hankook's good in the rain. However I agree that they are not so great in snow, especially packed snow. I'll be putting on dedicated winter tires as a result this year.
 
That makes more sense to me that the Ultra High Performance tires would out handle the Michelin Grand Touring. I am following this discussion with great interest since I still have the Hankook's. I did experience the vibration for the first 5000 miles or so but since I brought my tire pressure down from 35 PSI cold to 33 the ride has been smooth at highway and local speeds. It could also coincide with the warmer weather and vibration could reappear this Winter. Any one else finding the Michelin's are not as smooth bit outhandle the Hankooks? 2015 Genesis 3.8 HTRAC
 
That makes more sense to me that the Ultra High Performance tires would out handle the Michelin Grand Touring. I am following this discussion with great interest since I still have the Hankook's. I did experience the vibration for the first 5000 miles or so but since I brought my tire pressure down from 35 PSI cold to 33 the ride has been smooth at highway and local speeds. It could also coincide with the warmer weather and vibration could reappear this Winter. Any one else finding the Michelin's are not as smooth bit outhandle the Hankooks? 2015 Genesis 3.8 HTRAC

I find both smooth - maybe a slight edge to the Michelins there. I'll be able to gauge even better when HMA clears the sunroof work to allow the dealer to give back my car after now having driven the Michelins for ~ 2 weeks. I did experience flat spotting with the Hankooks, but it quickly works itself out so that really is a non-issue for me.
 
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