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Performance enhance for the 3.8 Genesis

I got my CAI built at a local shop here in Florida. Advanced Race Technology. (941) 927-7223. Ask for Derek. Also, my dealer has no issues with the CAI and told me it does not void your warranty. HOWEVER, I would suggest keeping the OEM intake box just in case you have an issue. If something does arise then you can just swap the OEM pieces back in and take it in for service. Derek will built you a CAI and send you the whole kit with install instructions too. Added a nice touch to my car and a few extra WHP.

hmmm.
so a $90 ebay CAI that we know nothing about.....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-09-10-11-GENESIS-3-8L-V6-4DR-COLD-AIR-INTAKE-RED-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ370498878671#vi-content
OR
$350 custom made CAI (shipped) from ART that will probably be better.
which one?
 
hmmm.
so a $90 ebay CAI that we know nothing about.....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-09-10-11-GENESIS-3-8L-V6-4DR-COLD-AIR-INTAKE-RED-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ370498878671#vi-content
OR
$350 custom made CAI (shipped) from ART that will probably be better.
which one?

It's hard to say. I guess the quality of the aluminum, the bends, the filter and the overall fitment are what's in question. In the end, they are both tubes with a filter on the end so I don't know how much better one will be versus the other in terms of performance.

@ExecOutcomes616 - Thanks for the info on your CAI. How is the quality level and the materials used? Do you have any pics you could post of it so we can see what we are buying? Appreciate it!

I made the purchase of the chromeintakes CAI already just because I found it before I saw this information but I'm in no way against getting one from ART if it's worth it.
 
It's hard to say. I guess the quality of the aluminum, the bends, the filter and the overall fitment are what's in question. In the end, they are both tubes with a filter on the end so I don't know how much better one will be versus the other in terms of performance.

@ExecOutcomes616 - Thanks for the info on your CAI. How is the quality level and the materials used? Do you have any pics you could post of it so we can see what we are buying? Appreciate it!

I made the purchase of the chromeintakes CAI already just because I found it before I saw this information but I'm in no way against getting one from ART if it's worth it.

it would be awesome if both of you guys could do reviews on both of the intakes. once you install yours take some pics and tell us how you like it.
 
i might just have a CAI custom made for me. my dad's good friends with the owner of a custom car shop near me so it should be pretty cheap :D
 
i might just have a CAI custom made for me. my dad's good friends with the owner of a custom car shop near me so it should be pretty cheap :D

Just received my intake yesterday from chromeintakes. I have to say right off the bat that this is not going to compete with something made by a company such as Injen. The filter itself seems to be high quality which others too have said in various forums but the rest of the materials look and feel rather cheap, particularly the couplers and vacuum hose. They remind me of something used on a children's toy.

I'm going to install and see what it does but I am definitely open to purchasing another, higher quality product. I would like to see something first though.

@maxmar04 - Did you call ART and get that price of $350? That's still not too unreasonable for a one-off custom product of quality if it is indeed so. It would probably be less if they were mass producing them. I wonder if they have pictures of it so I should probably check.

I would be interested too in knowing more about your father's friend's shop and whether you can get him to produce something. Keep us posted as to what you find out.
 
Just received my intake yesterday from chromeintakes. I have to say right off the bat that this is not going to compete with something made by a company such as Injen. The filter itself seems to be high quality which others too have said in various forums but the rest of the materials look and feel rather cheap, particularly the couplers and vacuum hose. They remind me of something used on a children's toy.

I'm going to install and see what it does but I am definitely open to purchasing another, higher quality product. I would like to see something first though.

@maxmar04 - Did you call ART and get that price of $350? That's still not too unreasonable for a one-off custom product of quality if it is indeed so. It would probably be less if they were mass producing them. I wonder if they have pictures of it so I should probably check.

I would be interested too in knowing more about your father's friend's shop and whether you can get him to produce something. Keep us posted as to what you find out.

i heard about ARTs intake from execoutcomes616 on this forum. as for the quality of it, it looks pretty good from quick moments it can be seen in the video he posted...
[YOUTUBE][ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEYD7MkfMoM"]‪2009 Hyundai Genesis 3.8L Sedan Dyno Pull‬‏ - YouTube[/ame][/YOUTUBE]
i sent them an email about 2 months ago and thats when they told me $350 shipped. they also told the that they didnt have any in stock..... so i guess that means that they mass produce them or have a mold of some sort already made.

this is our conversation...
ME: Hi,
I saw a video of a hyundai genesis v6 sedan with a cold air intake on it built by you guys. I also have the same car and was told by the owner to contact you if i was interested in buying one. also you are the only company thats produced a CAI for the 3.8 sedan. can you please give me a quote if i wanted to order one shipped? (delray beach, fl, 33484)

ART: Hey max, yes we make cold air intakes for the genesis sedan and coupes. The sedan Cai is $350 shipped. We are out of stock right now but should have some done next week.
Thanks

ME: Does it come with everything that i need to install it? (brackets, screws, etc) How loud it is compared to stock at low and high speeds? Also is the typical CAI whistle very noticable (low and high speeds?)

ART: The kit comes with all the necessary hardware needed for the install. It does not produce a whistle like sound, the exhaust note does deepen and is noticeable at high and low speeds. let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks,
Derrick Dumont
Advanced Race Technology
Sarasota , FL
941 927-7223
 
Okay so I retract my last statement somewhat about the quality of the chromeintakes product. It has polished aluminum pipes like the one by ART and it has what seems to be a decent filter. It's just the couplers and vacuum hose that seem like a cheap rubbery plastic. I think of a Hot Wheels track looking plastic but more pliable.

Yesterday I pulled out the stock air box ready to install the new intake but for the life of me, could not figure out how it needed to be installed. The first issue was in regards to the MAF sensor. The description of the product listing on eBay said that a MAF adapter would be supplied for cars that required it but I got no such thing. I now believe that the stock MAF just couples between the two supplied pipes so it doesn't seem to be an issue.

The problem though now is that I cannot in any way see how this new intake fits into the available area. I didn't spend a lot of time trying to mess with it but after removing the stock air box, I could see a small opening through the chassis, down behind the wheel well but there's no way the the filter end can fit through that opening. Perhaps it doesn't even go there but I couldn't see anywhere else for it to go.

I didn't receive any installation instructions for it other than for installing a bracket to hold the filter from moving and these seemed to be generic instructions not specific to the Genesis. I sent some emails asking for assistance but it was a Sunday so I didn't expect a reply. I am going to try and call them today but their hours are noon - 5pm. Hopefully I can get something ironed it soon.

If this seems to work then I will hold off on another intake for the time being but if I can get a better idea of the fit and quality of any other product then I will easily make the change.
 
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As a follow up, I called chromeintakes and got them to send me the install instructions which weren't in my original package and now the install makes more sense. Here's an image of the intake kit itself minus the bracket used to secure it.

Chromeintakes intake for Genesis 3.8 sedan:
chromeintakesintake.jpg


And here is a page from the install instructions which shows the installed intake on the Genesis:

hyundaigenesis4dr38lv62.jpg


I'm not sure how this intake compares to the quality of the ART intake or another custom intake but for $90 it may be well worth it.

I may make the attempt to install tomorrow now that I have the instructions. I already had the stock air box assembly removed but put it all back when it didn't seem that the new intake would fit. The key is removing the plastic cover behind the wheel well and install the filter end from underneath the car.

Wish me luck!!
 
Good luck.
Please let me know how long it takes from start to finish.
Also, does it make the car sound and better.

Thx

Mark
 
Good luck.
Please let me know how long it takes from start to finish.
Also, does it make the car sound and better.

Thx

Mark

Ok so it is officially installed. It didn't take too long, maybe 45 minutes and the most amount of time was spent trying to remove the 3 plastic rivets beneath the front bumper to allow access to the cavity where the filter resides. I don't know why but these weren't easy for me to get out and I chewed a couple of them up pretty good. It also helped that I was already experienced at removing the the OEM airbox so that part went rather quickly.

I really haven't driven it long enough yet but as far as performance is concerned, I can definitely say that there is a difference. It seems to have better throttle response with less lag and it also seems to have a stronger pull throughout the gears. I tend to switch back and forth between auto and manual shift because I don't like the way the car wants to go immediately into the highest gear even when just cruising around town at lower speeds. The shifts now seem to just feel better for some reason although I don't think this would be affected by an intake but perhaps I'm wrong. Overall it definitely has some more oomph and just generally feels better and healthier. It's not going to knock your socks off or anything and I wouldn't expect it to but I think in combination with the exhaust, they work well together.

As for the sound, I really don't notice much in particular. I already have the Magnaflow exhaust which is pretty loud in the passenger compartment so it's hard to tell. The sound also seems a little healthier or throatier but nothing majorly different. I don't have that air sucking sound that people associate with CAI's at least that I can tell. But again, there is some difference over the stock air box. I did get on it really hard for a stretch and it screamed and sounded like a monster although it had at least some of that affect from the exhaust alone before. Time will tell.

I don't know about the technical aspects but I also assume that perhaps the ECU needs time to adjust to the increased air flow coming from the intake? I don't know if it's working optimally right now or if it will get even better over time. Maybe someone who knows about this can chime in.

Next may just have to be an ECU flash!

Here are some pics of it installed:

cai1p.jpg


cai2.jpg


cai3.jpg
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Not to hijack your thread, but here's info on CAI's from Ricksfreeautorepair advice - Let me know if you'd me to remove this info and start a new thread....

You see cold air intake systems advertised all over the net. The manufacturers make wild claims about improved horsepower. How can that be? Well, let’s take a look at the theory behind a cold air intake.

An internal combustion engine works like a doctor’s syringe. Pull the piston back and it sucks in air (or medicine). If the syringe is a 25cc syringe, it will suck in 25cc’s of air. But if the air is cold, the volume may be 25cc, but there will actually be more molecules packed into that same 25cc’s. That’s because cold air has a higher density than warm air. (think in terms of more air molecules per gallon, as an example). We can assume that the extra load of air molecules also includes more oxygen atoms.

So, here’s where we are: If you suck cold air into your cylinders, you’ll get more oxygen atoms than if you suck in warm air. Great. Or is it? Modern vehicles have Mass Airflow Sensors (MAF) that are specifically designed to determine the mass of the air being sucked into the engine. The MAF measures the temperature of the incoming air and determines its mass through an algorithm based on the wind chill across a heated wire. The MAF knows the temperature of the wire and the temperature of the incoming air. By watching how quickly the heated wire cools off, it can determine velocity of the air. Get those two variable and it now knows the density of the air.

The Computer Knows All

Why am I belaboring this point? Because even though you’re sucking in dense cold air, the MAF and the powertrain control module (PCM) KNOW ABOUT IT. In pre-computer days, cold air tricked the carburetor, because the carburetor metered gas solely by air velocity. Not so with computerized vehicles.

Since the computer knows the temperature and density of the air, it also knows that COLD AIR makes it harder to vaporize gasoline. Raw gas won’t burn—it has to vaporize first. That’s why car makers suck heated underhood air into the intake manifold—to assist with fuel vaporization. Install a cold air intake and you forfeit that advantage.

Now let’s talk about what is and is not a true cold air intake. If the system you’re considering is pulling in air from behind the radiator and inside the engine compartment, that is NOT a COLD AIR INTAKE system. It may be a shiny air intake, but it’s not a cold air intake. To be a true cold air intake, it must draw outside air from IN FRONT of the radiator, under the front bumper, or from inside the fender/wheel well.
More Horsepower is Really Horsepucky

Let’s look at the power ratio curve supplied by one manufacturer. I will not identify the manufacturer, but their actual dyno test speaks volumes about the true effectiveness of their system. This power curve is for a 1998 Chevrolet Corvette. The sales literature brags about an 18 horsepower increase. But if you look at the graph, you’ll see that they don’t achieve that increase until the engine is screaming at 5,500 RPM.

Pardon me for asking, but how often do you drive at 5,500 RPM? Let’s get real here, look at the graph at 4,000 RPM. See much of an increase in HP? It’s miniscule. In other words, unless you’re planning on spending your days at the racetrack, you will NEVER SEE that increase in horsepower.

But wait, didn’t I already debunk the benefits of a cold air intake by saying that the MAF knows all and compensates for it? Yeah, I did. So how DO they achieve an increase of 18 HP? The literature says that the larger air filter reduces air restriction through the air filter. It also says that they tune the intake tube to reduce internal air resistance. Sounds good, huh? Both of those claims are true, as far as they go. To reduce the resistance of air going through a filter, you either have to use larger holes, or more of them. So these manufacturers opt to add more holes. You really do need that extra air flow at 5,500 RPM. You will NEVER need that extra airflow at normal driving speeds.

Which leaves us with tuning the intake tube. Car makers do a horrible job of tuning the intake air duct from the air filter box to the throttle plate. In fact, they often use pleated rubber duct—that’s a horrible obstruction to air flow. So why do they do it that way? Because it DOESN”T MATTER what happens to the air BEFORE it reaches the throttle plate. They make the pleated duct larger diameter than necessary to compensate for the increased resistance. What DOES matter, however, is the tuning between the throttle plate and the intake valves. In that area, car makers have made tremendous advances. In fact, that’s precisely why many upper intake manifold are now made from plastic—to reduce air resistance and tune the airflow.

Finally, let’s talk about fuel economy. You cannot get more horsepower from a cold air intake system and still get better fuel economy. No stock engine is designed for maximum fuel economy at 5,500 RPM, period! Remember, if the MAF sees denser air, it will add more fuel. There is simply NO FREE LUNCH with a cold air intake.
 
Ok so it is officially installed. It didn't take too long, maybe 45 minutes and the most amount of time was spent trying to remove the 3 plastic rivets beneath the front bumper to allow access to the cavity where the filter resides. I don't know why but these weren't easy for me to get out and I chewed a couple of them up pretty good. It also helped that I was already experienced at removing the the OEM airbox so that part went rather quickly.

I really haven't driven it long enough yet but as far as performance is concerned, I can definitely say that there is a difference. It seems to have better throttle response with less lag and it also seems to have a stronger pull throughout the gears. I tend to switch back and forth between auto and manual shift because I don't like the way the car wants to go immediately into the highest gear even when just cruising around town at lower speeds. The shifts now seem to just feel better for some reason although I don't think this would be affected by an intake but perhaps I'm wrong. Overall it definitely has some more oomph and just generally feels better and healthier. It's not going to knock your socks off or anything and I wouldn't expect it to but I think in combination with the exhaust, they work well together.

As for the sound, I really don't notice much in particular. I already have the Magnaflow exhaust which is pretty loud in the passenger compartment so it's hard to tell. The sound also seems a little healthier or throatier but nothing majorly different. I don't have that air sucking sound that people associate with CAI's at least that I can tell. But again, there is some difference over the stock air box. I did get on it really hard for a stretch and it screamed and sounded like a monster although it had at least some of that affect from the exhaust alone before. Time will tell.

I don't know about the technical aspects but I also assume that perhaps the ECU needs time to adjust to the increased air flow coming from the intake? I don't know if it's working optimally right now or if it will get even better over time. Maybe someone who knows about this can chime in.

Next may just have to be an ECU flash!

Here are some pics of it installed:

cai1p.jpg


cai2.jpg


cai3.jpg

so if i was to change the vaccuum hose and maybe the couplers would you reccomend this for the price?
 
so if i was to change the vaccuum hose and maybe the couplers would you reccomend this for the price?

Yeah I would. I'm real happy with the mod so far and just keep liking it more and more as I spend time driving it. I'm sure that there are many purists and naysayers out there that will tell you it doesn't do anything or causes more problems than benefits but I will tell anyone that my car is running better than it was prior to installation.

Like I said in my previous post, a CAI isn't going to knock your socks off. I'm definitely experiencing better throttle response with less lag, more low-end torque and more continuous acceleration through my gear changes. In addition it just feels and sounds healthier than it did before. It's just funner to drive right now and I'm glad I did it.

I think that for $90, you can't go wrong. After all, what really is a CAI? It's a pipe with a filter on it. People for years have even been making their own using various materials such as PVC. You could end up paying $250 - $350 or so for some of the well know brands out there but are you really getting a far superior product that will do more for you car than another brand? I don't know the answer to that but I would tend to think not.

I did replace the vacuum hose and I will also replace the couplers as well. They do feel a little cheap to me and as they heat up, they seem to soften up and move around more. You could get some couplers and a vacuum hose for $10 - $20 and still this intake would be only around $100 - $110. You could even buy a K&N filter instead of using the supplied filter and it would still cost less overall than most commercial products. The main important factor I think is that the pipes have been designed to fit properly within the confines of the Genesis. Mine seems to fit perfectly given the location of the filter. There's only one place for the filter to go and the alignment of the pipes from the throttle body to the filter are right on.

In the end, if something on this new intake falls apart and I need to purchase something else, I'm only out $90, not a few hundred. Let me know if you end up ordering one and have any questions about installing it. It went rather smoothly once I got the instructions that were missing from my original package. I called and emailed the company and they have been very responsive. I had no problems talking to a live person and an installer and they were also very active in responding to email and eBay updates regarding my order.
 
Yeah I would. I'm real happy with the mod so far and just keep liking it more and more as I spend time driving it. I'm sure that there are many purists and naysayers out there that will tell you it doesn't do anything or causes more problems than benefits but I will tell anyone that my car is running better than it was prior to installation.

Like I said in my previous post, a CAI isn't going to knock your socks off. I'm definitely experiencing better throttle response with less lag, more low-end torque and more continuous acceleration through my gear changes. In addition it just feels and sounds healthier than it did before. It's just funner to drive right now and I'm glad I did it.

I think that for $90, you can't go wrong. After all, what really is a CAI? It's a pipe with a filter on it. People for years have even been making their own using various materials such as PVC. You could end up paying $250 - $350 or so for some of the well know brands out there but are you really getting a far superior product that will do more for you car than another brand? I don't know the answer to that but I would tend to think not.

I did replace the vacuum hose and I will also replace the couplers as well. They do feel a little cheap to me and as they heat up, they seem to soften up and move around more. You could get some couplers and a vacuum hose for $10 - $20 and still this intake would be only around $100 - $110. You could even buy a K&N filter instead of using the supplied filter and it would still cost less overall than most commercial products. The main important factor I think is that the pipes have been designed to fit properly within the confines of the Genesis. Mine seems to fit perfectly given the location of the filter. There's only one place for the filter to go and the alignment of the pipes from the throttle body to the filter are right on.

In the end, if something on this new intake falls apart and I need to purchase something else, I'm only out $90, not a few hundred. Let me know if you end up ordering one and have any questions about installing it. It went rather smoothly once I got the instructions that were missing from my original package. I called and emailed the company and they have been very responsive. I had no problems talking to a live person and an installer and they were also very active in responding to email and eBay updates regarding my order.
ok thanks. did u get a shipping confirmation or tracking number? how long did it take for them to process it? i ordered one monday, its now 2 am wednesday and i stall havent got a shipping confirmation?? hopefully ill get one soon
 
ok thanks. did u get a shipping confirmation or tracking number? how long did it take for them to process it? i ordered one monday, its now 2 am wednesday and i stall havent got a shipping confirmation?? hopefully ill get one soon

Yeah, originally it was shipped to me via FedEx and they sent me a tracking number as well as numerous email updates along the way via eBay. My original shipment was damaged during delivery and FedEx returned it to them and they resent it via USPS as I believe they determined I was also in California where it was coming from and would be cheaper I guess.

I would contact them via eBay or at their email address which is chromeintakes@hotmail.com. It may take a couple of days before they actually ship. Also, hopefully you will receive the install instructions unlike me. I do have them now in PDF form so if you don't get them just ask and I can get you a copy.
 
Yeah, originally it was shipped to me via FedEx and they sent me a tracking number as well as numerous email updates along the way via eBay. My original shipment was damaged during delivery and FedEx returned it to them and they resent it via USPS as I believe they determined I was also in California where it was coming from and would be cheaper I guess.

I would contact them via eBay or at their email address which is chromeintakes@hotmail.com. It may take a couple of days before they actually ship. Also, hopefully you will receive the install instructions unlike me. I do have them now in PDF form so if you don't get them just ask and I can get you a copy.
ok thanks. i got a shipping confirmation yesterday. its scheduled to get here saturday the 20th
 
Yeah, originally it was shipped to me via FedEx and they sent me a tracking number as well as numerous email updates along the way via eBay. My original shipment was damaged during delivery and FedEx returned it to them and they resent it via USPS as I believe they determined I was also in California where it was coming from and would be cheaper I guess.

I would contact them via eBay or at their email address which is chromeintakes@hotmail.com. It may take a couple of days before they actually ship. Also, hopefully you will receive the install instructions unlike me. I do have them now in PDF form so if you don't get them just ask and I can get you a copy.

ok i got it today. it looks really nice actually. alothough it didnt come with the instructions... can you please post them up on here ASAP?
 
Ok so i installed it today. its VERY NICE. the sound is soooo much better than stock, its alot louder and kind of throaty. i did notice a small power increase and better throttle response too. the only thing im not finished with yet is the mounting brackets. this intake didn't come with instructions although it is very easy to remove the airbox and install the intake EXCEPT for the mounting brackets. right now its hanging on just by the manifold so i am trying to go slow over bumps. it took me about an hour to install mainly because i could not get those damn button/clip things off from the underside of the bumper, they would NOT BUDGE, and i had to find a place to relocate my horn with the short wires they come with. that was pretty much the hardest part also because i didnt have a lift or ramps. i think it was a great deal for $100. awesome
 
ok i got it today. it looks really nice actually. alothough it didnt come with the instructions... can you please post them up on here ASAP?

Hey @maxmar04 - So sorry but I just saw your post. It looks like you eventually got it installed though, at least minus the bracket.

Unfortunately, they really don't explain how to install the bracket, they just show a picture of it. I managed to figure out a way to do it that seems to look like it does in their picture and maybe I can take a picture or 2 of mine and send them to you if you want. In any case, here is the image from the instructions:

 
Hey @maxmar04 - So sorry but I just saw your post. It looks like you eventually got it installed though, at least minus the bracket.

Unfortunately, they really don't explain how to install the bracket, they just show a picture of it. I managed to figure out a way to do it that seems to look like it does in their picture and maybe I can take a picture or 2 of mine and send them to you if you want. In any case, here is the image from the instructions:


that would be great if you could take a picture or explain which pieces you put where. thanks
 
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