Prospective Buyer--noobie quick questions

[bradyb]

I came out of a Jaguar XJ8 to the Genesis 4.6 couldn't be more pleased

 

[Anathem]

Just traded in my 2004 Acura TL for the 3.8 about 2 weeks ago. Absolutely no regrets so far. Even my son who loved driving the TL loved driving the Genesis, and my family find it much more comfortable.

 

[cschuler]

Buy one!

I like mine a lot.

The part of the "prestige issue" that would likely be most important (to an engineer) is the resale value. Given all the strong/positive reviews and early market indications, Genesis reseale values are looking good.

 

[SeismicGuy]

Buy one!

I like mine a lot.

The part of the "prestige issue" that would likely be most important (to an engineer) is the resale value. Given all the strong/positive reviews and early market indications, Genesis reseale values are looking good.

You know, it turns out that resale becomes pretty secondary for us since we tend to keep cars a long time (shortest ownership was about 7 years while longest was 14). Frankly, I was surprised/disappointed to see average Autotrader prices of only about $6,000 to $7,000 for 2000 Acura TL's. Back in 2000 I sold my 1990 Maxima to a private party for $6,000 which implies that the resale of the Maxima was better than the Acura, particularly adjusting for inflation. Of course the typical mileage on the Acura's I saw at Autotrader was 120,000 or more while the one that I will be trying to sell is 80,000.

Frankly, I see little risk in going for the Genesis since it comes with a 100,000 mile/10 year warranty. Also, it looks like Hyundai is pretty committed to making a name in the US market so I expect that there will be plenty of dealerships/mechanics in my local area to service the vehicle.


Doug

 

[cschuler]

You know, it turns out that resale becomes pretty secondary for us since we tend to keep cars a long time (shortest ownership was about 7 years while longest was 14). Frankly, I was surprised/disappointed to see average Autotrader prices of only about $6,000 to $7,000 for 2000 Acura TL's. Back in 2000 I sold my 1990 Maxima to a private party for $6,000 which implies that the resale of the Maxima was better than the Acura, particularly adjusting for inflation. Of course the typical mileage on the Acura's I saw at Autotrader was 120,000 or more while the one that I will be trying to sell is 80,000.

Frankly, I see little risk in going for the Genesis since it comes with a 100,000 mile/10 year warranty. Also, it looks like Hyundai is pretty committed to making a name in the US market so I expect that there will be plenty of dealerships/mechanics in my local area to service the vehicle.


Doug

You are posting mixed and confusing sentiments here. "You are what you drive."

WTF does that mean?

 

[dg_moore]

You are posting mixed and confusing sentiments here. "You are what you drive."

WTF does that mean?

I agree - I'd like to hear an explanation.

 

[OldSpice]

I agree - I'd like to hear an explanation.

It means my son is a Jetta, what do you think? and the rest of us are
"in the beginning" Genesis

Oh yea, and my ex is an Amanti (tacky)

 

[Chief]

I bought a Honda motorcycle in 1963. It was unpopular to the old crowd. I didn't care. I knew I had the best for less. Look how far they came. Hyundai is right for the times. You can take the badges off if it bothers you. Most people are shocked when they find out.

 

[waveman]

You are posting mixed and confusing sentiments here. "You are what you drive."

WTF does that mean?

I think he was just saying that this is a common attitude in L.A., not that he agrees with it. I've come across the same sentiment there and elsewhere.

 

[SeismicGuy]

Correctomundo! I really wasn't trying to conflict or confuse anyone but just responding to some observation in a previous post about why one would buy a particular car. It is pretty much a fact of life here in car-centric LA that folks pay particular attention to what you drive.

Doug

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[dg_moore]

Correctomundo! I really wasn't trying to conflict or confuse anyone but just responding to some observation in a previous post about why one would buy a particular car. It is pretty much a fact of life here in car-centric LA that folks pay particular attention to what you drive.

Doug

I wonder why anybody would give a dead rat's a$$ what kind of car somebody else drives. I can see getting excited (or whatever) about your own car, but somebody else's?? Is there something in the water out there?

 

[OldSpice]

I wonder why anybody would give a dead rat's a$$ what kind of car somebody else drives. I can see getting excited (or whatever) about your own car, but somebody else's?? Is there something in the water out there?

Although everyone here clearly understands the stigma of driving a Hyundai, likely why some re-badge the car, it is even more confusing to me why anybody would give a dead rat's a$$ about what someone else thinks about what kind of car we drive, is it insecurity?

 

[homeofstone]

I don't think there is a stigma any longer regarding driving a Hyundai. Its a very different company vs. 15+ years ago. I remember when the first Hondas were rust buckets and looked like a roller skate. First Toyotas sounded like a cheap tin can when the door shut and within a few years the Toyota's door hinges would wear out and the doors nearly fall off. Times change and companies change. Hyundai is building high quality vehicles and people are taking notice. The Sonata is selling in huge numbers. Nearly every person that sees my Genesis at some point uses the word Wow in describing what they think about the car.

 

[SeismicGuy]

I see there are those here who are shocked! shocked! about folks who notice what other people drive. Then why worry about what you yourself drive? Really, the purpose of a car is to get you from A to B and a basic Toyota Camry or basic Honda Accord will do that just fine for about $10,000 less than the Genesis. So why the faux outrage about why anyone would worry about what others drive when those of you who seem outraged obviously opted to spend the extra $10K on the Genesis for what logical reason?


Doug

 

[dg_moore]

I see there are those here who are shocked! shocked! about folks who notice what other people drive. Then why worry about what you yourself drive? Really, the purpose of a car is to get you from A to B and a basic Toyota Camry or basic Honda Accord will do that just fine for about $10,000 less than the Genesis. So why the faux outrage about why anyone would worry about what others drive when those of you who seem outraged obviously opted to spend the extra $10K on the Genesis for what logical reason?


Doug

I see no outrage, just idle bemusement. What car you drive is a matter of choice - if you want, and can afford, something a little more upscale than a Yugo or more attractive than a bug, or more powerful than a Smart, then why not?

 

[SeismicGuy]

I see no outrage, just idle bemusement. What car you drive is a matter of choice - if you want, and can afford, something a little more upscale than a Yugo or more attractive than a bug, or more powerful than a Smart, then why not?

I absolutely agree with that. I was just responding to those who made it sound like there was something wrong if you worried about what someone else drives (or wondering how others might perceive what you are driving). It is just basic human nature or we would be all driving around in basic Yugo's.


Doug

 

[cschuler]

I see there are those here who are shocked! shocked! about folks who notice what other people drive. Then why worry about what you yourself drive? Really, the purpose of a car is to get you from A to B and a basic Toyota Camry or basic Honda Accord will do that just fine for about $10,000 less than the Genesis. So why the faux outrage about why anyone would worry about what others drive when those of you who seem outraged obviously opted to spend the extra $10K on the Genesis for what logical reason?


Doug

You need to do some serious shopping for cars. Feature for feature, the Genesis is on the winning side of your $10,000 benchmark. You might be trolling here, and thus I will no longer respond to your posts.

 

[SeismicGuy]

You need to do some serious shopping for cars. Feature for feature, the Genesis is on the winning side of your $10,000 benchmark. You might be trolling here, and thus I will no longer respond to your posts.

Trolling??? I beg your pardon! The fact of the matter is that the last few times I was shopping for cars I quickly discovered that the quickest way to cut to the chase was to frequent the various forums for those cars. So in 2007 when I started shopping around to replace my 1995 Corvette, I was considering BMW 335i and Infiniti G37 Coupe. By spending time on the BMW forums I quickly discovered the overheating problems that those cars had as well as some other problems. Also, not surprisingly, the BMW group was pretty elitist in that they looked down their noses at any other cars. Upon spending time at the Infiniti G forums, it seemed like these were pretty reliable cars that most folks were happy with, but the ownership mentality there was decidedly "ricer" and, at my age, it seemed apparent that being in a G coupe would not be my cup of tea.

So the purpose of seeking out the Genesis forums was primarily to determine if there were some "fatal flaws" with these cars (like what I found with the 335i). The answer to that appears to be "none".

So the only remaining issue is getting a certain comfort level with a brand that is new to this segment of the market.


Doug

 

[SeismicGuy]

It's getting closer to my actually shopping around for cars, especially since I have an anxious buyer waiting to take possession of my wife's 2000 Acura TL.

So I finally got down to actually looking at a few vehicles. Since our TL has been a great experience I felt compelled to include this in our short-list even though their recent styling was an initial turnoff. So on our outing today, we looked at 3 very different cars--Acura TL, Genesis 3.8, and Honda Crosstour (all 2012 models). The styling of the 2012 TL has been taken down a notch from the previous year which is a good thing. All three cars were very impressive in their own ways but the most pleasantly surprising was. . . the Acura!

What was most satisfying about the TL was the way it drove. Totally different much sportier feel and responsiveness compared with our 2000 TL. I was just test driving the base model and I have to say the only disappointment was the less luxurious interior compared with our 2000. I would probably opt for the Tech package if I go for the TL.

The second car we drove was the Genesis. This drove much more like our 2000 TL which I always felt had a somewhat ponderous feel. Nevertheless the Genesis was impressive and seemed a bit more upscale inside compared with the TL. What did surprise me though was that the sticker on the Genesis was not dramatically less than the TL although I keep hearing that these can be had for much less.

The last car was the Crosstour. We drove the top model (EXL) and this was also quite a nice drive. The interior was definitely not up to the TL or Genesis but it was still nicer than I expected. The styling of the car really grabs your attention but I realize it may turn some people off. I liked the feature of the Honda engine that toggles the 6 cylinder down to 4 cylinders to save gas when you do not need all the power.

All in all an interesting day of test driving.


Doug

 

[homeofstone]

Test the seats in all the cars. The seat back and general design of the Acura driver's seat is why it did not make our final list. The driver's seat is very important to my wife and I since we put 36 to 40 thousand miles on a car in a year.