Rear-View Camera Quality

[Munch520]

But a higher resolution camera would really be negligible in terms of dollars - both in development and part costs... Again, no one is saying not to buy the car because of this - just that it is a missed opportunity (given they talk up he screen resolution) and an area for improvement.

Bingo.

It's very clear from looking across the spectrum of posts on this forum that the vast majority of people equate luxury with the number of gadgets available.

Definitely not part of my generation.

I disagree, see below.

If it's expected on ALL vehicle classes, then by definition, it is not the hallmark of the luxury vehicle class. The elements that DEFINE luxury vehicles are those that SEPARATE them from more pedestrian vehicles. Anything that is the price of entry for ALL classes - top to bottom - doesn't define luxury. At all.

If it's expected everywhere, then it should be everywhere, but NOT just to tick the box. Tech by itself is not a luxury standard, it's the standard of the modern era. BUT the seamless integration, and ease of use of that technology is what separates the big boys from the rest of the herd. That's the point here, sure the Genesis has a backup camera. Great, but how well done is it? Does it use the entire screen (I love that it does), is the resolution good, etc. The details, integration, and craftsmanship of anything is what makes the technology luxurious. Not the piece of technology in and of itself.

I WANT to see Genesis succeed, but they're under a microscope right now. And things like this, the interior rattles, etc. are things that critics will take note of and say 'well it's a Hyundai', some people want to hate the brand and have preconceived notions before even seeing or driving the car. Similar issues in a BMW, for example, would be shrugged off as 'well yeah but it's the ultimate driving machine!'. Hell, I've been in a Ferrari and Maserati whose CD players skipped while going over bumps! But they have the established brand that makes people look past those small issues. Back then especially, the Italian brands were affectionately known for their quirks.

Resolution of the backup camera would not drive a purchase decision for me either - but that doesn't mean we should not push Hyundai to do better.

Bingo again.

 

[Jaeger]

You miss the point -

Nope. You do. Tech, as you have said, is essential to all cars at all price points - not just to luxury cars. It doesn't define or even distinguish the luxury class.

ABS brakes were once the exclusive province of pricey luxury and sports cars. Now it is pretty much expected on all cars. Of course it is essential that a luxury car have ABS brakes. But they don't define the luxury class or distinguish a vehicle as a luxury vehicle precisely because they are expected on ALL vehicles.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Nope. You do. Tech, as you have said, is essential to all cars at all price points - not just to luxury cars. It doesn't define or even distinguish the luxury class.

ABS brakes were once the exclusive province of pricey luxury and sports cars. Now it is pretty much expected on all cars. Of course it is essential that a luxury car have ABS brakes. But they don't define the luxury class or distinguish a vehicle as a luxury vehicle precisely because they are expected on ALL vehicles.

I think what he might be saying is...

Technology without luxury is acceptable.
Luxury without technology is not. At least not in 2016...

Technology isn't expected in a Corolla.
Luxury isn't expected in a Corolla.
Both are expected in a BMW.

 

[Nikgen]

Nope. You do. Tech, as you have said, is essential to all cars at all price points - not just to luxury cars. It doesn't define or even distinguish the luxury class.

ABS brakes were once the exclusive province of pricey luxury and sports cars. Now it is pretty much expected on all cars. Of course it is essential that a luxury car have ABS brakes. But they don't define the luxury class or distinguish a vehicle as a luxury vehicle precisely because they are expected on ALL vehicles.

LOL...please make sure to contact MB and BMW and tell them that they are wrong. You are much smarter than they are and their silly inclusion of tech and the marketing of such to buyers is meaningless and does nothing to distinguish their vehicles.

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicl.../bodystyle-SDN

http://www.bmwusa.com/bmw/7series
http://www.bmwusa.com/bmw/7series/sedan

 

[Nikgen]

I think what he might be saying is...

Technology without luxury is acceptable.
Luxury without technology is not. At least not in 2016...

Technology isn't expected in a Corolla.
Luxury isn't expected in a Corolla.
Both are expected in a BMW.

Yup - pretty much, except:

Technology is now expected in a Corolla - though not to the same level or integration that is expected in a luxury car today.

 

[RickA1]

Oh, I get it now. You guys just like to argue. Or maybe make threads longer

 

[Nikgen]

Oh, I get it now. You guys just like to argue. Or maybe make threads longer

Just hate to have my words/meaning twisted.

 

[Munch520]

Yup - pretty much, except:

Technology is now expected in a Corolla - though not to the same level or integration that is expected in a luxury car today.

Very well said

Oh, I get it now. You guys just like to argue. Or maybe make threads longer

it's not that hard, and issues shouldn't be dismissed because "I don't need it, I have mirrors" or "the Genesis is discounted compared to the competition" or "they're a new brand" or whatever. They recruited guys from Volkswagen Audi Group for a reason, that's who they want to compete with. And WE need to hold them to that standard.

Like it or not, this 'nitpicky' stuff now matters, if we or Hyundai don't like it, it's not time for us to sit at the big kids' table.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Hyundai shouldn't waste their money on air conditioning because I don't need it here in Siberia.

 

[Nikgen]

I just backed up over a dime and the resolution of my backup camera wouldn't reveal if it was heads or tails. Clearly I'm not in a luxury car - lol!

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[LOVEMYSWEETNESS]

i have the 15, 5 ultimate, my camera is excellent, it's better than the one i have on my 2014 caddy srx

Could NOT agree more!! I am highly reliant on my backup camera due to disability. I, too, had a 2014 Caddy SRX, fully optioned. The backup camera on that car was nothing but shades of gray. The dealer insisted that it was because of the fog in our local area. My God, what a difference when I bought my 2015 Genny (3.8 Ultimate). I could see colors, shapes, people, animals, etc. Perhaps it is because we have the larger screens (9.2") that our resolution is better. No delay when shifting into reverse. Clear and quick. GM should take lessons from Hyundai!

 

[kn5owa]

I just backed up over a dime and the resolution of my backup camera wouldn't reveal if it was heads or tails. Clearly I'm not in a luxury car - lol!

Obvious solution: Run out & get a G90 --

Lots more gadgets.

Gadgets make a luxury car. Right?

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Are we finished criticizing people's appreciation for high resolution backup cameras yet?

 

[Nikgen]

Obvious solution: Run out & get a G90 --

Lots more gadgets.

Gadgets make a luxury car. Right?

Wrong - as many people have CLEARY pointed out to you. However, as has also been CLEARY pointed out to you in actual luxury brand product marketing, technology is now a very large part of what defines a luxury car as well - whether you want to admit it or not...

 

[Nikgen]

I'm going to write Hyundai! My backup camera doesn't have a self-cleaner on it!! I need to be able to see that dime!!! ��

...and in your rush to be a smart _ss, you highlight a valid issue with these cameras systems that some auto manufacturers recognize is a real world issue and create innovative solutions to address... Hmmm... so automakers realize this is beneficial technology with shortcomings that need to be fixed versus just making fun of consumers who appreciate the technology... Lol

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/06/nissan-debuts-intelligent-self-cleaning.html

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2015/03/02/ford-backup-cameras/24241233/

 

[sub780lime]

I have an ipod connected in my car. Once I turn my car on, I am almost always going straight into reverse. Does anyway else find it annoying that the media connected message eats up the top quarter of the screen when trying to use the reverse camera?

 

[cleex024]

I have an ipod connected in my car. Once I turn my car on, I am almost always going straight into reverse. Does anyway else find it annoying that the media connected message eats up the top quarter of the screen when trying to use the reverse camera?

no, but what i do find annoying is that my damn radio defaults to sxm and doesnt remember my last selection which is always bluetooth. And because it takes like 5 seconds for it to connect after the car is turned on it always goes back to sxm thinking there is no bluetooth which is retarded.

anyway has anyone tried to maybe replace just the backup camera to a better one? I imagine that it would just take a camera swap, but I could be wrong.

 

[zat67]

I was reading the Wheels section of the Toronto Star the other day when I came across a Chevy ad that caught my attention. It went like this:
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ALL-NEW 2016 SPARK LS

The 2016 Spark offers a standard rear vision camera.

MSRP : Can $9,995 (approx. $7,500 in real money)
Freight & Levies: Can $1,649 (~ US $1,250)
Purchase Price: Can $11,644 (~ US $8,750)

The whole accompanied by a picture of the vehicle in question in bright green – come to think of it, the last time I saw a similar shade, my boxer (the animal, not the car) had been violently ill!
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Rumor has it that the rear vision camera package comes with a 10” screen, Ultra High Definition and a 480Hz refresh rate. LOL

Anyway, this unequivocally shows that technology does sell and is moving down very rapidly to the great unwashed. Now, let’s see if anyone here will try to make the case that the 2016 Sparks is a luxury vehicle!!

 

[Nikgen]

I have an ipod connected in my car. Once I turn my car on, I am almost always going straight into reverse. Does anyway else find it annoying that the media connected message eats up the top quarter of the screen when trying to use the reverse camera?

Yes - I've noticed this as well. They should really suppress any phone connection messages from blocking the rear view on the screen when in reverse.

 

[Nikgen]

I'm still not convinced. Could you guys expose your points again? I'm a bit slow when it comes to back up camera resolution during the decision process of buying a luxury automobile.

Thanks!!!!

Quite simple - here are the salient points:

• Some have tried to have a discussion about the quality of the back-up camera. The current camera, while fully functional, could be improved with an increase in resolution and refresh rate. This would show nice attention to detail in a luxury vehicle (or near-luxury as the case may be).
  
• Others then chime in and twist/convolute this to any suggestions of improvements to the back up camera is saying that a luxury car is defined by gadgets...