Rear-View Camera Quality

[xsolara]

Different strokes for different folks, guys. Don't suppress conversation for those who are interested in having it...

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[Valo_Soul]

And what knowledge did we learn....Some like it some don't
We can't change whats not available

That's very true. The initial inquiry, however, was to find out if there is a difference between the standard camera setup, and the one on the Ultimate package with the larger/sharper infotainment screen. It seems there isn't, unfortunately. There's really no excuse for that on Hyundai's part, but it is what it is.

"Come check out standard def content on our 720p HD infotainment screen". It's just silly. As small a thing as it is to some; it's utterly foolish. To someone who truly cares about tech, it's about the equivalent to having a V8, and only 6 available cylinders, to someone who cares about performance.

 

[Nikgen]

And what knowledge did we learn....Some like it some don't
We can't change whats not available

Well, we've now learned that some people appear to want to shut down discussion on topics that they don't have any personal interest in...of course, it's a free world, so we can just ignore and move on...

 

[Jaeger]

And what knowledge did we learn....Some like it some don't
We can't change whats not available

An entirely fair and astute observation. It doesn't stifle the discussion - neither you nor I have the power to do that. It does add some needed perspective, however.

 

[zat67]

Well, we've now learned that some people appear to want to shut down discussion on topics that they don't have any personal interest in...of course, it's a free world, so we can just ignore and move on...

Couldn't agree with you more.

Curiously enough, if there is a topic that I'm not interested in, or that no longer holds any interest for me for some reason, I simply don't click on the thread (probably a novel approach in some quarters)…... but what do I know, I'm a newbie here, so perhaps I have been approaching this the wrong way!!!

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Personally, I like a crystal clear screen no matter what it is I'm looking at. If a Honda Accord can have a high definition back up camera - it must not be too expensive for a brand looking to be taken seriously as a luxury competitor to have one. It's little touches like this that matter to many people - ESPECIALLY luxury buyers. If you don't care - than perhaps you're not a luxury buyer. That's fine. It doesn't matter...

 

[RickA1]

oh no. Why did I click on this thread???

 

[Jaeger]

Personally, I like a crystal clear screen no matter what it is I'm looking at. If a Honda Accord can have a high definition back up camera - it must not be too expensive for a brand looking to be taken seriously as a luxury competitor to have one. It's little touches like this that matter to many people - ESPECIALLY luxury buyers. If you don't care - than perhaps you're not a luxury buyer. That's fine. It doesn't matter...

Or perhaps those who don't care so very much about the screen define luxury differently, as in design - interior and exterior, quality of materials, overall refinement, etc. That's arguably a more meaningful collective measure of the merits of a luxury CAR than screen resolution and connectivity apps.

Some people actually view a luxury car as a good deal more than a rolling infotainment system. For others, that's all that matters, and I suppose that's fine too. But everybody complaining bitterly about the screen now knew exactly what they were getting at the time of purchase. If this feature makes the car fall short of luxury credentials, in their view, then clearly their dollars would have been better spent elsewhere. And arguably, those who fail to take the Genesis sedan seriously for this reason are not luxury buyers, but tech buyers.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Or perhaps those who don't care so very much about the screen define luxury differently, as in design - interior and exterior, quality of materials, overall refinement, etc. That's arguably a more meaningful collective measure of the merits of a luxury CAR than screen resolution and connectivity apps.

Some people actually view a luxury car as a good deal more than a rolling infotainment system. For others, that's all that matters, and I suppose that's fine too. But everybody complaining bitterly about the screen now knew exactly what they were getting at the time of purchase. If this feature makes the car fall short of luxury credentials, in their view, then clearly their dollars would have been better spent elsewhere. And arguably, those who fail to take the Genesis sedan seriously for this reason are not luxury buyers, but tech buyers.

I don't feel the bad screen resolution is a deal breaker for the Genesis. In any event I guarantee you the next generation of these vehicles will have a crystal clear rear backup camera resolution. Why? Because that is what the market dictates.

 

[Valo_Soul]

I love that this thread has taken off so much. I find it amusing and informative, to be honest! The truly puzzling thing is why the first generation Genesis sedan has a clearer backup camera, with a faster refresh/frame rate.

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[RickA1]

Resolution? Pixels?

I put it in reverse, I can see behind my car.

End of story.

 

[MadCat]

I like camera in my C450 AMG, it has day and night modes. Front camera, door mirrors cameras are perfect for close parking because i can see how close my wheels are to the curb. I hope Genesis will add some good cameras to 2018 models…

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Resolution? Pixels?

I put it in reverse, I can see behind my car.

End of story.

Perfect for you.

 

[cletus]

I test drove the v6 and v8 and thought the rearview camera was just fine for seeing what I was doing.

 

[Munch520]

Resolution? Pixels?

I put it in reverse, I can see behind my car.

End of story.

Truly a very pragmatic way of looking at it, no doubt.

But consider the competition. Surround view cameras, HD quality, etc. Hell, one not even need look at the competition. My wife's Toyota Sienna and the car I traded in for the Genesis (2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee) had infinitely better quality, and are significantly less expensive.

Point is, when things like a 720p, 9.2" display are touted, one expects input sources into that display to also be of similar quality. The rearview camera quality on these is no doubt an oversight and is something many critics would cling to in their inevitable "Hyundai is 90% there vs the German/Japanese" comments.

It's a simple enough fix, and if this is the field Hyundai (now Genesis) wants to play on, it's the price of admission.

 

[zat67]

oh no. Why did I click on this thread???

Good one…… now pull out, PULL OUT QUICKLY!!!

As Mr. T would say: “I pity the fool who clicks on..…”.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I test drove the v6 and v8 and thought the rearview camera was just fine for seeing what I was doing.

That's great. Actually, I'm pretty sure that was almost Cadillac's slogan back in the early 2000s... "Cadillac. Just fine...". I prefer, "Cadillac. Pretty darn good!". Luckily neither made it to real time...

Truly a very pragmatic way of looking at it, no doubt.

But consider the competition. Surround view cameras, HD quality, etc. Hell, one not even need look at the competition. My wife's Toyota Sienna and the car I traded in for the Genesis (2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee) had infinitely better quality, and are significantly less expensive.

As mentioned even the Honda Accord has a higher resolution screen. It's not "necessary" but neither are power windows and door locks...

Point is, when things like a 720p, 9.2" display are touted, one expects input sources into that display to also be of similar quality. The rearview camera quality on these is no doubt an oversight and is something many critics would cling to in their inevitable "Hyundai is 90% there vs the German/Japanese" comments.

It's a simple enough fix, and if this is the field Hyundai (now Genesis) wants to play on, it's the price of admission.

Exactly. Luxury is about excess. It's about having things you don't need...

 

[zat67]

Or perhaps those who don't care so very much about the screen define luxury differently, as in design - interior and exterior, quality of materials, overall refinement, etc. That's arguably a more meaningful collective measure of the merits of a luxury CAR than screen resolution and connectivity apps.

Some people actually view a luxury car as a good deal more than a rolling infotainment system. For others, that's all that matters, and I suppose that's fine too. But everybody complaining bitterly about the screen now knew exactly what they were getting at the time of purchase. If this feature makes the car fall short of luxury credentials, in their view, then clearly their dollars would have been better spent elsewhere. And arguably, those who fail to take the Genesis sedan seriously for this reason are not luxury buyers, but tech buyers.

I don’t believe that a backup camera alone (as long as there is one) can define “luxury” or make or break a “luxury” vehicle for most buyers. However, as alluded to by Munch520, the price of admission to the luxury segment is getting steeper and steeper by the minute for the automakers, and us as purchasers are being bombarded with new, shiny things that make the car buying decision a lot more work than it used to be. A good friend of mine avoids all the drama, though, as he is the proud owner of his 6th (or is that 7th, I lost track) Camry, and I’m pretty certain that he does not belong to a forum for car enthusiasts!! But I digress, I suspect most car enthusiasts probably take a more holistic/all encompassing approach to their vehicle buying decision.

Case in point, I first and foremost decide what I’m prepared to fork out and then look at what is available within that segment (so, in addition to the G2 Genesis, I also checked out the Acura TL/RLX, the Cadillac CTS/XTS, and the Lexus GS 350 – the Germans didn’t make the list because BMW’s leave me cold in the looks department and Audi and Mercedes have, so I’m told, eye watering maintenance costs). Any vehicle that doesn’t have a nice sheet metal, good handling/ride and a satisfactory powertrain is automatically eliminated. A nicely appointed interior is a plus, but not necessarily a deal breaker for me. Satisfactory reliability and workmanship are simply expected.

I bought my 2015 Genesis in September 2014 and since my previous vehicle was a 1999 Mercury Cougar, I really didn’t give a hoot about all the relatively new safety and tech gizmos. I thought that spending an additional CAN $5,000 for the Tech package might in fact be a serious mistake.

Heated steering wheel, power operated trunk, blind spot detector – I thought all these features were actually for sissies, but you know what: I now just love that heated steering wheel on cold mornings, the blind spot detector which combined with the HUD means that I don’t have to turn my head around as often as before, the cross traffic alert which is just fantastic, especially at shopping malls, etc. The one feature that I am particularly fond of is the heads-up display; to me, that gadget alone is almost worth the additional $5,000. And as far as the backup camera is concerned, my wife absolutely loves it and so do I, warts and all.

Following this experience (or technological awakening), I can assure you that when I look at buying a new car in about 2 years’ time the overall “rolling" infotainment/tech package thing will be given equal weight with the design, powertrain and handling/ride components, and whichever manufacturer, in whatever segment I’m interested in, can give me the best overall package in these 4 categories will get my vote. (And I really don’t care if you can’t offer me a backup camera that has superb picture quality, but if it turns out that you can also only offer me a so so adaptive cruise control and a barely adequate heads–up display, etc. then you do so at your own peril because I will take notice and, as further alluded to by Genesis Motors, the competition will not be treading water.)

At that time, I will also be looking for more and better performing nanny aids and safety features such as: a heads-up display that remains highly visible when I wear my sunglasses, a 360 degree camera, a high def., high refresh rate screen, a high-res. rear-view camera mirror, an integrated dashcam, etc. If that makes me a “tech” buyer, then so be it – but the reality is that our streets are getting more congested by the minute and I’d like to enjoy my ride in relative comfort.

 

[Jaeger]

I test drove the v6 and v8 and thought the rearview camera was just fine for seeing what I was doing.

Exactly. I'd rather Hyundai devote their dollars to things that matter. Super ultra mega high def is not something I need or desire from a backup camera that is in use a couple times a day for a few seconds at a time. It's not like I can't see clearly what is behind me - which is rather the point. A gold plated gas cap would no doubt be celebrated as luxurious by some here, but is equally unnecessary.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Exactly. I'd rather Hyundai devote their dollars to things that matter. Super ultra mega high def is not something I need or desire from a backup camera that is in use a couple times a day for a few seconds at a time. It's not like I can't see clearly what is behind me - which is rather the point. A gold plated gas cap would no doubt be celebrated as luxurious by some here, but is equally unnecessary.

Your definition of luxury does not set the standard. Neither does mine. If a gold plated gas cap is somebody's definition of luxury, I'm not going to criticize them for it. To each their own. If people want a high definition backup camera - so be it. If people don't want a high definition backup camera - so be it. But like I said - I guarantee you the next generation of Genesis automobiles will have high definition backup cameras. Why?