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[kn5owa]

Maybe part of the problem is that the GPS satellites were originally meant for guidance of ICBM's.

 

[MikeyTG]

I had my dealer adjust it for me. Only $50!

 

[Midnightsun]

I had my dealer adjust it for me. Only $50!

Should have done like me. Had it done as a warranty claim.

 

[amartz]

Your correct..... for several months it will be the right time

I guess I'll keep my genny

Even a dead clock is right twice a day!!

 

[MT-Genesis]

Even a dead clock is right twice a day!!

That used to be true, but then came digital clocks -- when the battery dies or the power goes away, they are blank and not correct at any time.

Actually, the clock in the Genesis seems to adjust to different time zones quite well. When I drive from western Arizona to Laughlin, NV the clock changes when we cross the Colorado River, into CA. Cross the river at Needles, CA, into AZ again and the clock changes again. Then when we leave AZ and cross the river into NV, it changes again. Since the river is the time zone boundary, the clock changes very soon after the mid point of the bridge. What the Genesis doesn't seem to keep track of is which zone is on DST and which zone isn't. AZ doesn't do DST so I leave the DST box unchecked but when crossing the river while DST is in effect, the clock is wrong in both CA and NV. Now that DST is gone for the year, all is well when we cross the time zone boundary but that's going to change this spring. Not a huge deal for me.

 

[Alwaysforward]

if you wait long enough it will correct itself

The other option is to buy two Gennys and keep one set with DST. On a side note, I collect watches (to many to count). I don't sit down and change them all at one time, only when I grab one to wear it. Call me lazy or smart, whichever works

 

[Midnightsun]

Me too. My all time favorite with croc strap. http://www.watchpaper.com/2014/04/05/the-2014-breitling-navitimer/

 

[Schindawg]

This was my earlier point exactly. My cheap Garmin adjusts automatically for DST and time zone. The time is always correct. I know it's not a big deal, but it's just mildly irritating (obviously more for some than others) that cheap devices like watches and GPS units do this, while our $50k car doesn't. I'm sure it could be "fixed" with a software update, but I won't hold my breath on that one!

You are correct HOWEVER it would be nice to have it automatic. I agree, sats are not local BUT gps location is. Tie the 2 together and you have automatic updates. If the clock knows where the car is, then it should be able to adjust the time accordingly.

Heck, even a relatively cheap wrist watch can do it all. http://www.casio-intl.com/asia-mea/en/news/2014/GPW-1000/

 

[Man of Mystery]

At an MSPR of $900 and Amazon price starting at $599, the Casio GPW-1000 series really isn't a cheap wrist watch for a lot of people.

 

[MikeyTG]

So how many times could we have updated the DST flag in the time we've spent on this thread?

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[Midnightsun]

At an MSPR of $900 and Amazon price starting at $599, the Casio GPW-1000 series really isn't a cheap wrist watch for a lot of people.

I did use the word "relatively" which for anyone who can afford to drive a $50,000 ++ car is pocket change.

 

[phil1980]

The Genesis does have a maintenance reminder you can set to make sure you don't overshoot your next maintenance. You can set it to any mileage interval you want.

I was aware about this reminder and wasn't using it on purpose - I wanted to see how intelligent were the car's own autonomous diagnostic systems.

My last 3 BMWs never asked me to set any millage-related reminders (and there were no such option). Instead, the cars relied on combination of sensors and schedules to automatically update miles left till next oil or other fluid change, breaks replacement etc. And it was completely complementary.

From the first line of Hyundai Connected Care description here: https://www.hyundaiusa.com/assurance/connected-care.aspx

"What is connected care? Imagine a car that can help schedule an appointment when it needs care." My car doesn't think I need any maintenance with 8500 miles on odometer.

Below on the same page: "Maintenance Alerts. Notifies the owner via MyHyundai.com, email or SMS message that an upcoming service is due, and explains what is included in particular maintenance intervals." I haven't received any...

From one of the Hyundai emails: "A CAR THAT LOOKS AFTER ITSELF SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO! Blue Link® Connected Care automatically delivers MONTHLY VEHICLE HEALTH REPORTS to keep you up to date on the maintenance needs of your Hyundai." (caps are not mine). Complete fail!

Back to the thread subject:

As was noted above, TomTom and Garmin update the DST time automatically.

The reason we don't have it in Genessis might be in the existence of different nav systems and the cars without any GPS sensor (beyond Genesis lineup). As a result, Hyundai has to program each configuration individually. GPS gets standard time and location, then car's computer should use that info to match this data against updated and locally stored or remotely accessible time tables. Because most cars feature GPS as an option, it would take extra time, money, and effort to program a connection between the GPS and the stock clock (which will be found in all models). Hyundai preferred not to do it and left it to the customer.

Some of my cars back in 90's were able to get correct time from RDS signal.

1. Is it hard to change the DST switch manually?
No.
2. Is it a deal breaker?
No.
3. Is it silly to manually change the time in such advanced computerized vehicle?
Yes.

When the technology is not ready - it's one thing. When the manufacturer decides not to use the available technology - it's a different story. Talking about top-down view and soft-close doors on Genny in US...

I am surprised that you've found this to be incredibly trivial and not worth mentioning when you've managed to spend your time (and money) to get your seats heat/cool feature turn on automatically with the remote start. I don't see any problem in turning on the heating/cooling on the seat when I get into already heated/ventilated car, but I agree with you that it would be nice to have a control of that option as well.

 

[phil1980]

The problem comes with DST - that is a local thing by state and country - some countries even split DST by the half-hour. GPS won't help you - that's a global service.

Hyundai did not commit an oversight.

Not to get too ridiculous, but suppose Mt. Everest in the Himalayas changed to DST by 2 hours to accommodate explorers. Would the satellites send 2 hour changeover DST data to that particular area to change their clocks in the spring and fall.

No way.

I don't know why you think the local time should be sourced from GPS? GPS provides location and GPS Time, and car's computer/nav matches it with the current DST in affect in this area. The translation of GPS data to location occurs inside your GPS unit, not at the satellite level – the satellite doesn’t really have a clue where your signal came from.

If Mt. Everest changed the DST by 2 hours, Hyundai should only take care of updating the server that holds up-to-date DST data that can be accessed by the car through it's wireless data interface.

P.S. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not perturbed by leap seconds GPS is now ahead of UTC by 17 seconds. So we won't have an accurate time anyway

 

[kn5owa]

I don't know why you think the local time should be sourced from GPS? GPS provides location and GPS Time, and car's computer/nav matches it with the current DST in affect in this area. The translation of GPS data to location occurs inside your GPS unit, not at the satellite level – the satellite doesn’t really have a clue where your signal came from.

I think that the local time is sourced from GPS on the Genny is because the display under "setup =>clock" says so unless you opt for manual time setting.

Unfortunately, the car's computer/nav does not then subsequently match up/update current DST in a given area - which is what this tread is all about.

 

[phil1980]

I think that the local time is sourced from GPS on the Genny is because the display under "setup =>clock" says so unless you opt for manual time setting.

What do you call GPS - unit in your car or satellite up in the skies?

The time feed comes from the GPS "constellation" of satellites which are not local at all.

Agree.

And the Genesis is not a local car - it is shipped all over the world.

Not agree. The moment the car received the signal from the satellite it became the local car. It knows where it is and can apply any local regulations, including the time table. Timetable can be applied inside GPS unit or by another car's computer module.

Unfortunately, the car's computer/nav does not then subsequently match with current DST in a given area - which is what this tread is all about.

Totally agree. "Unfortunately!" is the key word. And a few forum members along with me are pointing it out. But for some reason you've stated, that

Hyundai did not commit an oversight.

Of course it did by not utilizing already installed telemetry and other computer systems in the car to make the clock switch with DST automatically.

There might be another reason: cars are much more reliable than computers (at least, it was like that for a very long time). I believe the auto manufacturers have not interconnected the computers on the cars because of the reliability issues. So adding to the reason stated above, it’s money and, possibly, the effort to insure reliability.

 

[kn5owa]

I think it is self-explanatory that when it is stated that time signals are sourced from GPS, reference is had to the satellite array by that name.

As to the term "oversight" - this is a statement of personal opinion in the nature of a conclusion.

Of course, Hyundai could program a "translation table" into the clock electronics with suitable firmware to implement an automatic DST changeover. But, the immediate long term problem arises from the obvious fact that DST implementation is a function of government. And therein lies the problem.

After the car comes off the assembly line all neatly programmed to implement the DST changeover, it immediately becomes obsolete when one state legislature decides to change their particular DST preferences.

Then, of course, arises the necessity of updates - in other words, a can of worms caused by trying to conform with 50 state governments - not to mention other countries, since the Genny is shipped everywhere.

Accordingly, I would view the matter as a matter of practical engineering preference - and not an oversight.

 

[xsolara]

Come on guys it's only a simple method to manually update the clock...why so much discussion over a simple procedure :=)

 

[Nick R]

Come on guys it's only a simple method to manually update the clock...why so much discussion over a simple procedure :=)

AGREED.....Lets discuss more interesting issues....

 

[kn5owa]

AGREED.....Lets discuss more interesting issues....

If you don't like a thread, why do you bother to read it? And even comment on it?

There are certainly many other fascinating threads with hundreds of posts on things like fog lights and wing badge ornaments.

 

[amartz]

But, how do you switch it from 12 to 24 hr mode... , Oh, never mind. ;-)