Rigid Collars installed on my G2!

[Munch520]

Is there any issue with material difference between the collars and the frame? If i understand this correctly, the collars are a different material than the steel frame.

Once installed, it looks like you cannot visually tell the collars are there, correct?

Please post feedback after you install them. I am thinking about this.

They're aluminum, the torque of the bolt molds the aluminum to the frame essentially.

 

[celltech]

So I got my shipping notice yesterday and I just read the instructions on the ATQ site. To those that have gone the DIY route, do you think it's ok to just jack up 1 end of the car at a time? I only have 2 stands... Only downside I can think of is the rear subframe, from the instructions it sounds like it will be floating around a bit until you get everything snugged back up. Still looking forward to how this works!!! And I for one will appreciate the $10 dollars back...we only get 6 collars in the kit...lol

 

[Seejay]

Since steel and aluminum are dissimilar metals, it may be advisable to coat the collar with a corrosion inhibitor where the car is used in corrosive environments.

 

[xsolara]

Since steel and aluminum are dissimilar metals, it may be advisable to coat the collar with a corrosion inhibitor where the car is used in corrosive environments.

Smart idea

 

[lobsenza]

Since steel and aluminum are dissimilar metals, it may be advisable to coat the collar with a corrosion inhibitor where the car is used in corrosive environments.

That is my concern. What corrosive inhibitor should you use? I am concerned about putting together 2 dissimilar metals. I have ehard bad stories abot this.

The concept is very intriguing.

 

[TbonePdx]

The ones I got for my Optima were anodized. It added $10 or $20 to the price (or something like that) but definitely worth it I think.

Tony

 

[LarryJM]

That is my concern. What corrosive inhibitor should you use? I am concerned about putting together 2 dissimilar metals. I have ehard bad stories abot this.

The concept is very intriguing.

While Galvanic issues can be a concern a major consideration is the environment since a catalyst is required generally moisture/water. For this particular application I'm not sure how significant this issue would be and simply spray painting either and/or both the collars and where the will go could amost totally eliminate it anyway. I don't think I would worry about this issue considering the totality of what we are talking about here and when I do mine I'm not even going to go with the spray extra step since I just don't thing this is really an issue that needs to be addressed.

Larry

 

[srobak]

I have to agree... once they are in - it is not like you will need to remove them again. This is supposed to be a permanent installation item.

 

[Seejay]

I'm sorry, but this is non-trivial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion

and

http://aluminumsurface.blogspot.com/2009/04/corrosion-between-anodized-aluminum-and.html

Once corrosion starts to take place, the torque spec for the crush washer probably goes to hell, and could actually make the situation worse than no collar at all. Brass or bronze would be a much better material. Tyrol makes theirs from bronze:

http://www.tyrolsport.com/suspensio...-kit-for-all-mk5/6-jetta-gli-and-mk2-audi-tt/

Tyrolsport has developed custom locating collars to ensure the subframe stays in place and does not shift under load. The collars are machined out of 954 Bronze alloy for the ultimate strength and corrosion resistance.

Unfortunately, they do not make collars for Hyundai Genesis, no Hyundai at all.

 

[Rloyola0426]

Aluminum self oxidizes, creating a coating by itself. Coating them is pointless. The collars are meant to adhere to the subframe. Its not supposed to be a part you remove down the road.

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[GenY]

Aluminum self oxidizes, creating a coating by itself. Coating them is pointless. The collars are meant to adhere to the subframe. Its not supposed to be a part you remove down the road.

Hey Rloyola,

I ordered the rigid collars and am looking for a place to install. I'm about an hour away from Khartunerz. Would you recommend that I take it there? I'm thinking about getting the Ark GT-F spring installed at the same time at Khartunerz.

Alternatively, I was also thinking of getting the springs installed at Ark in Ontario (they quoted me $200 for the install which seems fair). But they would not be willing to install the collars at the same time.

What do you think?

 

[Seejay]

Aluminum self oxidizes, creating a coating by itself. Coating them is pointless. The collars are meant to adhere to the subframe. Its not supposed to be a part you remove down the road.

ONLY when it's not in contact with a dissimilar metal such as steel. Hopefully, the anti-corrosion coating Hyundai puts on the frame and subframe should provide some protection. From the wiki article:

A "lasagna cell" is accidentally produced when salty moist food such as lasagna is stored in a steel baking pan and is covered with aluminum foil. After a few hours the foil develops small holes where it touches the lasagna, and the food surface becomes covered with small spots composed of corroded aluminum.

And from the anodizing world web page:

It is unusual to see galvanic corrosion on aluminum in contact with stainless steel (passive). In contrast contact between copper, bronze, brass and different kinds of steel alloys (passive and active) and aluminum can cause severe corrosion so it is advisable to provide insulation between the two metals.

So you don't mix copper and its tin alloys with aluminum, and you don't mix iron and its variants (steel) with aluminum.

It does not matter whether one wants to remove it later or not--that was never the argument. If corrosion takes place, the bolt loosens from clearances created and the connection between the frame and subframe is worse than before the collars were installed.

The only soft metal that will provide the mechanical qualities for this application and has low anodic potential is bronze.

 

[Rloyola0426]

I ordered the rigid collars and am looking for a place to install. I'm about an hour away from Khartunerz. Would you recommend that I take it there? I'm thinking about getting the Ark GT-F spring installed at the same time at Khartunerz.

Alternatively, I was also thinking of getting the springs installed at Ark in Ontario (they quoted me $200 for the install which seems fair). But they would not be willing to install the collars at the same time.

What do you think?

ARK installed my springs too, but that was because I was their test car. If I were you, I'd go to Khartunerz and have them do both things simultaneously at the same appointment, that way you aren't paying labor twice. I would say get an alignment immediately after but your springs will need time to settle.

You're an hour away from Khartunerz? Where are you located? I'm about an hour away too. Khartunerz is a good shop.

 

[GenY]

ARK installed my springs too, but that was because I was their test car. If I were you, I'd go to Khartunerz and have them do both things simultaneously at the same appointment, that way you aren't paying labor twice. I would say get an alignment immediately after but your springs will need time to settle.

You're an hour away from Khartunerz? Where are you located? I'm about an hour away too. Khartunerz is a good shop.

Thanks for the input! I'm in Irvine, so I'll probably just order the springs and get them both installed at Khartunerz.

 

[Rloyola0426]

You're in Irvine? There's a Genesis meet every three weeks or so on the top of the parking structure at that 85 degrees over there. Mostly coupes but there needs to be more sedan representation.

 

[GenY]

You're in Irvine? There's a Genesis meet every three weeks or so on the top of the parking structure at that 85 degrees over there. Mostly coupes but there needs to be more sedan representation.

Nice, good to know! Let me know if you ever stop by there, it'd be cool to see your car in person.

 

[Rloyola0426]

They meet every third Thursday. PM me your number or fb and I'll text/fb message you if I ever go.

 

[pdld100]

Hi all,

Just had Tomi from ATQ (Tomi is friendly, knowledgeable and meticulous in his work) install the collars on my stock '15 3.8AWD. My initial test drive around the block didn't reveal much, but the 50 mile ride home sure did.

The difference is startling, as Rloyola0426 described earlier. The best way to describe it is that the car feels 500 lbs lighter, with all the good things that go with that. Steering is sharper, body roll is reduced, and suspension seems less "crashy" over the worst road imperfections. I may be slightly delusional, but it's quite amazing. If someone had told me that new springs and shocks had been installed, I would have believed them. The car now reminds of my beloved '09 Infiniti G37S sedan... A surprisingly cheap and effective mod.

 

[srobak]

Interesting. Just might have to do this afterall.

 

[xsolara]

I believe these collars will also reduce your weight by 50 lbs....they also will attract only beautiful women that have lots of money...
Come on guys if these collars really worked all car mfg. would use them as a marketing tool.
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