Rspec Bigger/Better brake pads

[Driv200]

More power requires better brakes. Check out these front brake pads compared to stock. WOW!

Yellow pads have nearly double the surface area.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Boeing 787 sized. Who makes them? Are they ceramic?

 

[Driv200]

Made by EBC. Made with ceramic/Kevlar fiber. Pics of box when I get home. Part # DP41849R for the high performance
$139-$160 at Amazon

 

[jaboyd]

From what I've read these are "race brake" pads and are NOT ceramic. These may not be the best for general use because they really need some heat in them to operate their best. DP31849C is the EBC "Red" pads which are ceramic (low dust) and would be a great upgrade for street use.....cost under $100.

 

[Driv200]

Jay, the reds are good and probably okay for most. I am going to autocross my Rspec and maybe do a track day in the sedan class when I instruct students around the racetrack. The Yellows work equally or better as the others when cold, but REALLY REALLY work great when they get hot. They don't lose friction at hot temperatures like the others will.

 

[Driv200]

2nd day on the pads. Noticeably better and easier stopping in daily driving. Takes less effort. Still setting them in and have not done hard stops. After 50 miles I will report. Certainly a nice upgrade and safer application over stock.

 

[BMW Diehard]

Boeing 787 sized. Who makes them? Are they ceramic?

It's been a long disputed argument about what the general lay person thinks between your conventional steel pads Vs. ceramic, I've found a lot of bad things pertaining to ceramic pads, especially when we're talking about a car that boats over 400BHP and is telling it's customers, think BMW, Lexus, MB, etc. when driving.

Or at least think, "not too far away".

I ran this test through many toyotas, my own hyundai at the time for about 2 years I conducted conventional pads of many variants to ceramic.

What I've found most prominent, is those who say get off work anywhere from 5-7PM in the evening, driving home with a hint of rage, or angry at the world for no reason like a lot of us are after a long days work.

But, ceramic pads actually cause more debris, uglier and more visible/noticeable wear & tear inside the wheel wells. Like blackening the actual alloy of the rims covering th rotors, shoe, pads, calipers etc.

When in fact the only thing c-pads do is last about 30-40% longer than pure alloy mixed pads, though do tear up your rotors faster, causing more unnecessary frequency in maintenance without any actual beneficial factors like performance enhancements.

This argument can come down to the nitty gritty till the cows come home, it's actually that close of a debate for lack of a better term, but really, unless the rest of the car can handle the beating, adding something in like slightly bigger roll stabilizers (something BMW has kept close to their chest for a long time!), slightly bigger rotors for brakes, when really they should've been targeting chassis, suspension, drive train, exterior dimensions moving from a "mid to large" size sedan, to a full flagship roll boasting STANDARD excellence that Hyundai clearly is aiming for.

Shocks, dampers, struts, axels, differentials, if a BMW 550i can go through a straight forward performance slalom with immense ease with ARS, xDrive, and their overall better "german steel" factors weighing in, what's it gonna take for the koreans and japanese to match it considering lexus has been doing what hyundai just started doing years go, and is still no where close to the likes of mb or BMW, only in the motor department does the Genesis matchup to these competitors but it's a slippery slope.

If lexus has been paying money to the germans for this many years and their still so far behind, how is hyundai going to trump that?

That's why I haven't purchased a 2012 R-spec yet, aside from testing driving the shit out of the original 4.6, I was very disappointed for the most part.

Felt exactly like a pontiac G6, not good.. and at the time, could feel the ESC kicking in on the road when I'm simply braking in anticipation of a traffic light.

With a car that shows so much promise, it's naive to think that it's some day soon, going to truly be rivaling the germans. Which is one least PR note that kinda ticks me off.

Why compete against all these other cars? Why compete against anyone else in such a demanding market? Hyundai should be louder, more determined and ambitious when telling the public who they're competing with, or who is inspiring them to make better vehicles. I think the germans for the last 10 years now, have been doing a pretty good job at completely robbing Toyota & Hyundai for trade secrets and patented automotive tech, while hyundai and toyota realize this years later after that vehicle has been in production.

That was 2002, the last year hyundai could have ever been said to make unreliable, or non-durable vehicles, my 03 Elantra put to shame a LOT of low end German Premiums. A4's, 3 Series, even MB's not worth mentioning entry level consumer target, the c class.

As proud as we should be of the Genesis and it's seemingly stand alone success next to the outperforming elantra, veloster, azera, and sonata compared to say, honda, toyota, nissan, but when compared to the german premium lineup, Hyundai has got to make a decision.

They've got a money maker, the lower cost reliable a to b cars that are loaded with luxury features standard, that's great, and I commend Hyundai for it, but they've got to focus on how to put a genesis out there that not only looks great, but performs great.

The Genesis is JUST now getting to what it should've been the year it was debuted, minus the god awful aesthetic changes they've made to the grille and rear end by enlarging the thickness and girth of that rear strip of chrome meant to remind us of the older bmw 7 series, MB S class etc.

Personally, there's only 3 things that stand out to me about the 2012 r-spec which is the main referral to what I mean when mentioning the genny.

1. More power and torque, though if anyone here has an idea as to the "road identity" of a german premium, what's missing here is 50LBS of torque OVER the BHP mark.

That's what gives the germans the edge, sure now like the 2012 M5 and 550i & up are BMWs first deviation from this recipe in over 10 years, but then again the Genesis or Equus (looks like then lincoln MKS, ewww) are using a motor that's 50LBS under BHP in torque, the main thing that gives sports sedans distinction in feel, handling, speed, efficiency and superiority on the street. A novelty, a prestige everyone wants but nobody can afford.

So that's why it's more important now than ever for hyundai to get back on track, they made a killing from 2002-2010, and I fear they spent that money unwisely.

2. Better looking headlamps, that's the only improvement, still kinda shaky on design, but a good start.
3. Interior feature set, still missing a lot, and is by far the ugliest part of the genny, the shifter closer by it's cloned iDrive knob, and added two rear heated seats standard, what about Cooled seats?

Seriously why has this not been added already? None of that garbage perforated leather with holes in them blowing out cold air via AC, when I test drove the genny like it was my job, in less than 6 seconds of hitting the button on the drivers seat, did I feel the freon in the pads inside the seat actually cooling me off through a military grade CommEd jacket and a pair of dickies 874 work pants.

That's impressive.. If you're a smoker, just pray you never lose your cigarette cherry on the seat!

 

[jmo51]

It's been a long disputed argument about what the general lay person thinks between your conventional steel pads Vs. ceramic, I've found a lot of bad things pertaining to ceramic pads, especially when we're talking about a car that boats over 400BHP and is telling it's customers, think BMW, Lexus, MB, etc. when driving.

Or at least think, "not too far away".

I ran this test through many toyotas, my own hyundai at the time for about 2 years I conducted conventional pads of many variants to ceramic.

What I've found most prominent, is those who say get off work anywhere from 5-7PM in the evening, driving home with a hint of rage, or angry at the world for no reason like a lot of us are after a long days work.

But, ceramic pads actually cause more debris, uglier and more visible/noticeable wear & tear inside the wheel wells. Like blackening the actual alloy of the rims covering th rotors, shoe, pads, calipers etc.

When in fact the only thing c-pads do is last about 30-40% longer than pure alloy mixed pads, though do tear up your rotors faster, causing more unnecessary frequency in maintenance without any actual beneficial factors like performance enhancements.

This argument can come down to the nitty gritty till the cows come home, it's actually that close of a debate for lack of a better term, but really, unless the rest of the car can handle the beating, adding something in like slightly bigger roll stabilizers (something BMW has kept close to their chest for a long time!), slightly bigger rotors for brakes, when really they should've been targeting chassis, suspension, drive train, exterior dimensions moving from a "mid to large" size sedan, to a full flagship roll boasting STANDARD excellence that Hyundai clearly is aiming for.

Shocks, dampers, struts, axels, differentials, if a BMW 550i can go through a straight forward performance slalom with immense ease with ARS, xDrive, and their overall better "german steel" factors weighing in, what's it gonna take for the koreans and japanese to match it considering lexus has been doing what hyundai just started doing years go, and is still no where close to the likes of mb or BMW, only in the motor department does the Genesis matchup to these competitors but it's a slippery slope.

If lexus has been paying money to the germans for this many years and their still so far behind, how is hyundai going to trump that?

That's why I haven't purchased a 2012 R-spec yet, aside from testing driving the shit out of the original 4.6, I was very disappointed for the most part.

Felt exactly like a pontiac G6, not good.. and at the time, could feel the ESC kicking in on the road when I'm simply braking in anticipation of a traffic light.

With a car that shows so much promise, it's naive to think that it's some day soon, going to truly be rivaling the germans. Which is one least PR note that kinda ticks me off.

Why compete against all these other cars? Why compete against anyone else in such a demanding market? Hyundai should be louder, more determined and ambitious when telling the public who they're competing with, or who is inspiring them to make better vehicles. I think the germans for the last 10 years now, have been doing a pretty good job at completely robbing Toyota & Hyundai for trade secrets and patented automotive tech, while hyundai and toyota realize this years later after that vehicle has been in production.

That was 2002, the last year hyundai could have ever been said to make unreliable, or non-durable vehicles, my 03 Elantra put to shame a LOT of low end German Premiums. A4's, 3 Series, even MB's not worth mentioning entry level consumer target, the c class.

As proud as we should be of the Genesis and it's seemingly stand alone success next to the outperforming elantra, veloster, azera, and sonata compared to say, honda, toyota, nissan, but when compared to the german premium lineup, Hyundai has got to make a decision.

They've got a money maker, the lower cost reliable a to b cars that are loaded with luxury features standard, that's great, and I commend Hyundai for it, but they've got to focus on how to put a genesis out there that not only looks great, but performs great.

The Genesis is JUST now getting to what it should've been the year it was debuted, minus the god awful aesthetic changes they've made to the grille and rear end by enlarging the thickness and girth of that rear strip of chrome meant to remind us of the older bmw 7 series, MB S class etc.

Personally, there's only 3 things that stand out to me about the 2012 r-spec which is the main referral to what I mean when mentioning the genny.

1. More power and torque, though if anyone here has an idea as to the "road identity" of a german premium, what's missing here is 50LBS of torque OVER the BHP mark.

That's what gives the germans the edge, sure now like the 2012 M5 and 550i & up are BMWs first deviation from this recipe in over 10 years, but then again the Genesis or Equus (looks like then lincoln MKS, ewww) are using a motor that's 50LBS under BHP in torque, the main thing that gives sports sedans distinction in feel, handling, speed, efficiency and superiority on the street. A novelty, a prestige everyone wants but nobody can afford.

So that's why it's more important now than ever for hyundai to get back on track, they made a killing from 2002-2010, and I fear they spent that money unwisely.

2. Better looking headlamps, that's the only improvement, still kinda shaky on design, but a good start.
3. Interior feature set, still missing a lot, and is by far the ugliest part of the genny, the shifter closer by it's cloned iDrive knob, and added two rear heated seats standard, what about Cooled seats?

Seriously why has this not been added already? None of that garbage perforated leather with holes in them blowing out cold air via AC, when I test drove the genny like it was my job, in less than 6 seconds of hitting the button on the drivers seat, did I feel the freon in the pads inside the seat actually cooling me off through a military grade CommEd jacket and a pair of dickies 874 work pants.

That's impressive.. If you're a smoker, just pray you never lose your cigarette cherry on the seat!

Seem you went a bit off topic

Rspec Bigger/Better brake pads

My car stops just fine.

 

[Driv200]

I agree with some of your points, but nobody has said Hyundai is better or equal to germans......but this forum probably agrees they are pretty close in key areas. Cost is big factor and learning what you get for your money is the take home. Performance, fit, & finish on the Genesis are stellar in my book for $30k less than the germans. I will put it up against about anything and see what happens. We are talking brakes right?

 

[STREETS]

Stay stock- they last forever- are best braking in class and produce little to no brake dust.

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[Gunkk]

Full size pads w/ stock materials would be nice, though...

 

[Ruissimo]

Stay stock- they last forever- are best braking in class and produce little to no brake dust.

I cannot BELIEVE how little brake dust I've seen in the three months I've owned this car. Makes cleaning my wheels a freaking breeze!

 

[Driv200]

Just an update. I am going to put on the lesser compound for daily driving b/c the top performance pads increase the brake dust just a bit. They are a bit overkill for normal driving. Still, the other compounds will have the same upgraded larger surface area which is vastly improved over stock.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[LIRspecSedan]

Just an update. I am going to put on the lesser compound for daily driving b/c the top performance pads increase the brake dust just a bit. They are a bit overkill for normal driving. Still, the other compounds will have the same upgraded larger surface area which is vastly improved over stock.

Just my 2 cents.

so you had the yellows, and now have the reds, correct? was there any noise from either pads when you stepped on the brakes?

 

[Driv200]

Not made switch yet. No noise from yellows except when stopping after backing up. No noise at all otherwise. Reds coming.

Our cars are best in class braking? Did not know that. Amazing after comparing pad differences and size. Maybe I really have best in braking now. Probably all comes down to ABS software. Oh well. I wouldn't be a car guy if I didn't try to improve everything that was already proven.

 

[Rey]

I installed the EBC reds. Used the OEM backing pads on one side and EBC backing pad on the other side, just for comparison purposes. The EBC side squealed when brakes were cold. This may have lessened after a few hundred miles, but, being impatient, I changed out the EBC backing pad to OEM. No noise now.
Must say I love the EBC reds!

 

[Driv200]

Cool Rey, thanks for update. I used the supplied EBC backing plates and did not have any squealing. I would have been just as inpatient as you with any squeaks.

Which reds? The ceramics or the others?

 

[Rey]

My "red" pads are DP31849C Redstuff Ceramic Low Dust Brake Pad. Bought thru Amazon @$107

 

[DJR17]

Sounds good, I would like to change out both front and rear pads. Can someone tell me what the part numbers are for the reds please (front and rear)? Also I haven't seen this type of caliper before I'm used to using a c-clamp to move the piston back, it doesn't look like thats going to work on these though? Any links to youtube videos on how to change these out I can go to? TIA!

 

[427435]

While I am familiar with the "Must mod my car" virus, the brakes in the R-Spec are great. Every time I get in it----especially after driving my wife's Explorer----I have to recalibrate my foot to avoid over braking.

Even my 2003 Vette brakes require a little more effort.