snow tires

[mk1]

These rims do require offset rings. If they were missed at install it would explain the grinding.

Calling Tirerack today to get to the bottom of this. Thanks for the assist. BTW - are offset rings different from the centering rings?

 

[mk1]

Here is an update if anyone is interested.

It turns out the wheels that Tirerack sold me were rubbing on the outer tie rods when turning lock to lock on both sides. The wheels I purchased had a 42mm offset; Tirerack is replacing them with a different wheel that has a 32mm offset.

FWIW, Tirerack said they'd be pulling those wheels from the website as a compatible option for the 4.6, but they're still up there. I guess even Tirerack can make mistakes sometimes.

 

[jwaters943]

Just wanted to say that I gave my Genesis it's first real test since getting Dunlop Wintersport 3D snow tires last winter. We got approx. 8-9" of snow, and while I had a very hard time getting out of my garage (which is on a slight incline), I was able to safely get to work. I wouldn't want to do it again though, as I'm scared I'm going to damage my bumper. I think the most snow the Genesis can safely handle without serious risk of damage is probably 6". Still, I'm impressed and so were my co-workers who seem to think only trucks/suvs are capable of getting around in the snow. LOL

Side note: Are wheels spacers really dangerous? I had to put small wheel spacers (approx. 1/16" of an inch) on the front to prevent part of my suspension from scraping the wheel weights on the inside of the wheels during sharp turns/u-turns. The tire shop really advised me against them even though they're quite thin.

 

[scottdk]

Just wanted to say that I gave my Genesis it's first real test since getting Dunlop Wintersport 3D snow tires last winter. We got approx. 8-9" of snow, and while I had a very hard time getting out of my garage (which is on a slight incline), I was able to safely get to work. I wouldn't want to do it again though, as I'm scared I'm going to damage my bumper. I think the most snow the Genesis can safely handle without serious risk of damage is probably 6". Still, I'm impressed and so were my co-workers who seem to think only trucks/suvs are capable of getting around in the snow. LOL

Side note: Are wheels spacers really dangerous? I had to put small wheel spacers (approx. 1/16" of an inch) on the front to prevent part of my suspension from scraping the wheel weights on the inside of the wheels during sharp turns/u-turns. The tire shop really advised me against them even though they're quite thin.

This all depends on how much hub bolt is left for the wheel nuts. I had 1/4" spacers on a car years ago due to the after market wheels I had on the car. The wheels would not clear the front rotors.

I drove the car a few miles like this and felt a severe shaking on the front end of the car. I got out to check what it was and the drivers side front wheel was almost off the car. Long story short I had to have longer hub bolts added to my car, so 5 on each wheel times four. I think it ran around $170, but this was about 9 years ago.

To sum up the problem, after the wheels spacers where installed, the nuts wouldn't turn very much on the bolt to tighten the wheel on as it should. It required longer bolts with the spacers on.

 

[jwaters943]

Thanks. That's what I kind of figured, but with such small spacers like I'm running (I can't remember the exact figure, but they're less than 1/8") I don't really see the safety risk. I only run them from 4 months out of the year and I usually check every month to make sure the bolts are nice and tight.

 

[wallymn]

Since it is that fun time of year again,

How many are using full winter tires? Performance winter tires? making due with the stock all seasons?

 

[ASHDUMP]

Since it is that fun time of year again,

How many are using full winter tires? Performance winter tires? making due with the stock all seasons?

Using a new set of wheels and tires for the winter. Falken EuroWinter on stock rims.

 

[AMH]

Blizzak LM60 on Stock rims

 

[scottdk]

Since it is that fun time of year again,

How many are using full winter tires? Performance winter tires? making due with the stock all seasons?

I'm making due with the stock tires great But, I did just put the car cover on the Genesis for the winter Perfect timing since we got snow today and are getting plenty more overnight.

In spring when I am ready to drive it again, I'll throw some super sticky tires on the car. Probably Sumotumo HTR ZRIII's.

 

[crhbobby]

On Monday I had the Blizzak LM60s installed. So far work pretty well.

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[musher51]

Blizzak WS-60s on dedicated wheels. With several inches of new snow overnight, all is well.

Feeling sorry for Scott, though, who will likely suffer from Genesis withdrawal!

 

[mk1]

Here is an update if anyone is interested.

It turns out the wheels that Tirerack sold me were rubbing on the outer tie rods when turning lock to lock on both sides. The wheels I purchased had a 42mm offset; Tirerack is replacing them with a different wheel that has a 32mm offset.

FWIW, Tirerack said they'd be pulling those wheels from the website as a compatible option for the 4.6, but they're still up there. I guess even Tirerack can make mistakes sometimes.

EDIT: Tirerack shipped me replacement rims with a 32mm offset and the wheels are still hitting the tie rods, although at least now you have to go to the very extreme in both directions. Bt they are definitely hitting.

Has anyone successfully scaled down from their 18" wheels to a 17" snow wheel/tire package? If so, would you happen to know the offset?

 

[wallymn]

So this was what I used

Size: 17X7.5 (4)
Offset: +35mm Backspacing: 5.66" Bolt Pattern: 5-114

seems to be in the middle of the 2 tirerack sent you.

 

[mk1]

So this was what I used

Size: 17X7.5 (4)
Offset: +35mm Backspacing: 5.66" Bolt Pattern: 5-114

seems to be in the middle of the 2 tirerack sent you.

Do you have the 3.8 or 4.6? Did you order them from Tirerack? I'm not sure how your 35mm offset isn't causing you problems considering both the 42mm and 32 mm offsets are scraping my tie rods.

 

[wallymn]

I have the 4.6 and I ordered from tirerack. I realize I am not sure if I have tested a full lock left/right circle, I will try that at the parking lot at work tomorrow.

 

[wallymn]

Sorry for chaining, what width rim did you go with? 7 / 7.5 /8 in?

 

[wallymn]

MK1 I see the difference, you purchased an 8 inch rim, I went with a 7.5

that means your offset would need to be +13 mm more than me, or +48 mm minimum, that seems like a huge number but check with tirerack.


Has anyone else tried an 8 inch wide rim in 17 inch dia. ?

 

[mk1]

MK1 I see the difference, you purchased an 8 inch rim, I went with a 7.5

that means your offset would need to be +13 mm more than me, or +48 mm minimum, that seems like a huge number but check with tirerack.


Has anyone else tried an 8 inch wide rim in 17 inch dia. ?

Thanks wallymn - you seem to have hit it on the head.

After speaking with Tirerack yesterday they have pulled all 8" wheels off their website (for the Genesis) and are recommending only 7.5" wheels. They've assured me this will fix the problem.

Unfortunately the selection is pretty slim....I'm thinking of going with these:

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Whee...an+4.6&autoYear=2009&autoModClar=&qty_front=4

They initially recommended against silver machined wheels but that seems to be the only choice now. Are there disadvantages to silver machined wheels?

 

[ilovemygenesis]

Guys,


I live in CT and i will need snow tires for sure. I've been reading this and other threads on different tires to get, i have some quesitons:

1. Is it necessary to get a separate set of rims along with the tires?
2. It sounds like the Blizzak's are the prevailing favorites among snow tires yet there are different versions (W60,LM25, etc) which ones are better?
3. If i need to get new rims, should i get alloy or steel?
4. I have the 3.8 with 18" premium package, I've read 17" is better for traction, is this true?
5. Should i get a higher width in the back?
6. I'm not too familiar with the offsets and such will this be a factor if i go from the 18" to the 17"?

All opinions will be greatly appreciated

 

[wallymn]

Guys,


I live in CT and i will need snow tires for sure. I've been reading this and other threads on different tires to get, i have some quesitons:

1. Is it necessary to get a separate set of rims along with the tires?
2. It sounds like the Blizzak's are the prevailing favorites among snow tires yet there are different versions (W60,LM25, etc) which ones are better?
3. If i need to get new rims, should i get alloy or steel?
4. I have the 3.8 with 18" premium package, I've read 17" is better for traction, is this true?
5. Should i get a higher width in the back?
6. I'm not too familiar with the offsets and such will this be a factor if i go from the 18" to the 17"?

All opinions will be greatly appreciated

Note; I am no expert just a driver living in a cold state..

1. No, but switching the summer and winter rubber will cost each year, so after 4/5 years the new rims are paid for...(also you can swap yourself)
2. I like blizzak, many other good brands. LM 60 replaced LM 25 this is the performance winter tire. WS60 is the FULL winter tire. Basically the LM trades a little winter traction for better handling, and is rated to 130 mph, while the WS is a full on winter tire rated to 106 mph. the tire you choose should be based on what you want from your winter tire.
3. Not sure you can find 17 in steel rims, but just a cost issue, either is fine.
Note: watch the rim weight, unsprung weight of the rim/tire will impact the suspension. Lighter is better for the rim.
4. No, the diameter has no impact, smaller is cheaper, the width of the tire, 235 standard size, can be downsized to put more weight per inch on the ground (225 is common), this will improve grip in bad weather.
5. Car was designed for matched size front/rear, so stick with that.
6. This is really more about hub location and rim width. +35 on a 7.5 in rim in a 17 in dia. would be my recommendation (it is what works on my 09)

I hope this helps...