SPYSHOTS: The next generation of the Genesis G80 is here

[Glaz]

After driving a Foxbody 5.0L and two MR2 Turbos, I bought a YF Turbo Sonata in 2011... It was my first and last FWD car... lol... nothing wrong with it, the handling is not to my taste. At the time, I've been driving RWD cars my whole life other than when I'm taking my parents car.

Fair enough with the Sonata. That wasn’t a good Gen on handling. I think that in order for a FWD to perform really good on turns it has to have an E-LSD. Veloster N’s have them and I’ve been in one and that thing takes corners like a charm. Feels really good.

 

[Aura]

While on front-wheel drive and rear-wheel drive discussion, it is interesting to analyse further for anyone not familiar. Comparisons between front-wheel drive and rear-wheel drive sedans demonstrate the design differentiation. The Maserati Ghibli, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, new Genesis G80 and Jaguar XF—all rear-wheel drive—below have a large distance between the door line and fender (shown below roughly, in pink). The Volvo S90 at the bottom—which is front-wheel drive—was engineered to ensure the proportions looked rear-wheel drive. The designers knew it was essential to differentiate it from the mainstream so it could compete with the others:



Not all rear-wheel drive vehicles are the same; the Jaguar XF has a slightly smaller distance compared to the others (which is not bad, just interesting). Another crucial detail that differentiates is where the top of the hood ends. On rear-wheel drive vehicles, it is pushed rearwards (shown above in green, roughly), whereas it is further towards the front wheels on front-wheel drive. As Genesis has engineers from BMW, it is evident why the proportions are similar to the 5 Series. Again, not all rear-wheel drive vehicles are the same. This Holden Commodore is rear-wheel drive but the top of the hood is closer towards the front wheels, like a front-wheel drive vehicle:



Other design hallmarks is the short front overhang, long rear overhang, typically long wheelbase, long hood and A-pillar pushed rearward. I prefer this design as it gives the vehicle a unique and distinguished, prominent stance. This is not to say either is better than the other, it is just a visual difference I notice and prefer presently. Vehicles can look good with either front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive and everyone's opinions are valid; the A7 looks extremely sleek and modern. An example of the difference is the Lexus ES, which is front-wheel drive. The front overhang, distance between the door line and fender, top of the hood and A-pillar are all pushed forward:



Interestingly the Lexus GS is rear-wheel drive but does not quite have the same rear-wheel drive characteristics, it is closer to the Audi A6, which is front-wheel drive (default layout):



Yet visually these cars have similar proportions. Again, there is nothing wrong with any of these designs, it is just interesting seeing the differentiation. The Infiniti Q50 is rear-wheel drive but the door line extends forward, even though it has space to go back:



See how the door line does not connect to the pink section. Depending on how the door line is, you can have a greater distance in this section. More rear-wheel drive vehicles below, except the Volvo S60 which is front-wheel drive but again has the rear-wheel proportions. Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Genesis G70, Alfa Romeo Giulia, BMW 3 Series, Jaguar XE and Volvo S60:



And some more, Jaguar XJ, Genesis G90... not sure if anyone has heard of th- hehe, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 7 Series and Cadillac CT6:



Again, not arguing with anyone... please don't come for me . Just showing the unique difference between the two, all the vehicles look great. (Another thing I love in rear-wheel drive is I sit further away from the front, which helps with safety).

 

[YEH]

Also, I find the new A7 to be uglier than the old one.

Always liked the A7 (much more sexier than the A6 which is bland as plain toast), but agree that the current A7 lost some of what made the previous model look good.

I literally already mentioned that on the previous page concerning Volvo and Mazda. Audi has not accomplished this, and so the front overhang of their vehicles is still massive and notable.

There are limits (can still feel the weight of the engine towards the front, beyond the front axle) - which is why Mazda is developing a RWD platform.

After driving a Foxbody 5.0L and two MR2 Turbos, I bought a YF Turbo Sonata in 2011... It was my first and last FWD car... lol... nothing wrong with it, the handling is not to my taste. At the time, I've been driving RWD cars my whole life other than when I'm taking my parents car.

The new Optima will be available w/ AWD; while not RWD, that's an improvement.

 

[SuperKing]

The new Optima will be available w/ AWD; while not RWD, that's an improvement.

Yeah but there's different kinds of AWD. I'm sure the Optima will be FWD when AWD isn't engaged. I like the way my Genesis AWD handles because most of the time it's RWD. Even in the snow, I tend to kick it in sport mode because the AWD isn't as active. Makes it a little more fun. The only time it sucked in the snow was when I had a wheel speed sensor fail on me. It killed AWD and traction control. I was essentially driving a 400hp RWD car with an open diff. It was like driving my Mustang in the snow again... lol

 

[Backslack]

On the subject of FWD and overhangs, nothing tops Acura (in the "premium" segment):



And judging from their new concept art, they want it to be even longer...



Is it any surprise that the brand is fading into irrelevance alongside Infiniti?

 

[Glaz]

While on front-wheel drive and rear-wheel drive discussion, it is interesting to analyse further for anyone not familiar. Comparisons between front-wheel drive and rear-wheel drive sedans demonstrate the design differentiation. The Maserati Ghibli, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, new Genesis G80 and Jaguar XF—all rear-wheel drive—below have a large distance between the door line and fender (shown below roughly, in pink). The Volvo S90 at the bottom—which is front-wheel drive—was engineered to ensure the proportions looked rear-wheel drive. The designers knew it was essential to differentiate it from the mainstream so it could compete with the others:

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Not all rear-wheel drive vehicles are the same; the Jaguar XF has a slightly smaller distance compared to the others (which is not bad, just interesting). Another crucial detail that differentiates is where the top of the hood ends. On rear-wheel drive vehicles, it is pushed rearwards (shown above in green, roughly), whereas it is further towards the front wheels on front-wheel drive. As Genesis has engineers from BMW, it is evident why the proportions are similar to the 5 Series. Again, not all rear-wheel drive vehicles are the same. This Holden Commodore is rear-wheel drive but the top of the hood is closer towards the front wheels, like a front-wheel drive vehicle:

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Other design hallmarks is the short front overhang, long rear overhang, typically long wheelbase, long hood and A-pillar pushed rearward. I prefer this design as it gives the vehicle a unique and distinguished, prominent stance. This is not to say either is better than the other, it is just a visual difference I notice and prefer presently. Vehicles can look good with either front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive and everyone's opinions are valid; the A7 looks extremely sleek and modern. An example of the difference is the Lexus ES, which is front-wheel drive. The front overhang, distance between the door line and fender, top of the hood and A-pillar are all pushed forward:

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Interestingly the Lexus GS is rear-wheel drive but does not quite have the same rear-wheel drive characteristics, it is closer to the Audi A6, which is front-wheel drive (default layout):

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Yet visually these cars have similar proportions. Again, there is nothing wrong with any of these designs, it is just interesting seeing the differentiation. The Infiniti Q50 is rear-wheel drive but the door line extends forward, even though it has space to go back:

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See how the door line does not connect to the pink section. Depending on how the door line is, you can have a greater distance in this section. More rear-wheel drive vehicles below, except the Volvo S60 which is front-wheel drive but again has the rear-wheel proportions. Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Genesis G70, Alfa Romeo Giulia, BMW 3 Series, Jaguar XE and Volvo S60:

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And some more, Jaguar XJ, Genesis G90... not sure if anyone has heard of th- hehe, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 7 Series and Cadillac CT6:

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Again, not arguing with anyone... please don't come for me . Just showing the unique difference between the two, all the vehicles look great. (Another thing I love in rear-wheel drive is I sit further away from the front, which helps with safety).

This right here is the type of things I like to see. Thank you for the detailed run down and the inclusion of FWD vehicles that have RWD proportions.

 

[Glaz]

On the subject of FWD and overhangs, nothing tops Acura (in the "premium" segment):

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And judging from their new concept art, they want it to be even longer...

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Is it any surprise that the brand is fading into irrelevance alongside Infiniti?

Agreed that Acura knows how to give us RWD proportions with FWD platforms. I don’t agree on them losing irrelevance when they are still selling a lot of cars compared to Infiniti. Infiniti right now is the only brand that sucks at doing almost literally anything. The good thing about Acura, Genesis and Lexus is that Honda/Hyundai/Toyota lets them do what they want and not being hold back by the parent company.

 

[db2022]

RWD proportions being more attractive is not my own opinion. It's classic good car design principles.

Long on looks

There's nothing special about the front of the A7, which is identical to the A6. The massive front overhang is hideous, as is on most other FWD vehicles. Only Mazda and Volvo have been able to achieve RWD-like proportions with a FWD drivetrain.

I hear what your saying, although I do find the A7 attractive, I do 100% agree with you when it comes to Audi and the MLB-Evo platform, the massive front overhang on Audi's are ridiculous compared to the likes of BMW, Mercedes & Genesis. Audi desperately needs a RWD platform

 

[Aura]

Article says aluminium trim:



Source: 이번엔 네티즌마저 인정했다... G80이 기대될 수밖에 없는 이유

 

[YEH]

Yeah but there's different kinds of AWD. I'm sure the Optima will be FWD when AWD isn't engaged. I like the way my Genesis AWD handles because most of the time it's RWD. Even in the snow, I tend to kick it in sport mode because the AWD isn't as active. Makes it a little more fun. The only time it sucked in the snow was when I had a wheel speed sensor fail on me. It killed AWD and traction control. I was essentially driving a 400hp RWD car with an open diff. It was like driving my Mustang in the snow again... lol

Supposed to get the HTRAC AWD system (granted, not the same as Genesis) w/ an electronic coupling between the front and rear wheel axles and a sport mode, but like I had stated, not quite the same as RWD-based AWD system (esp. one w/ an LSD).

Agreed that Acura knows how to give us RWD proportions with FWD platforms. I don’t agree on them losing irrelevance when they are still selling a lot of cars compared to Infiniti. Infiniti right now is the only brand that sucks at doing almost literally anything. The good thing about Acura, Genesis and Lexus is that Honda/Hyundai/Toyota lets them do what they want and not being hold back by the parent company.

Wouldn't say cars, as Acura mostly sells crossovers these days.

If it weren't for somewhat decent TLX sales, Acura really wouldn't be selling many non-CUVs.

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[Beefer]

Genesis G80 New Interior Shots Ahead Debut - Korean Car Blog

Shares 0 While we wait for the Genesis event where the all-new G80 will be showcased for the first time after Genesis released the first official teasers last week, we continue undressing the new luxury sedan with new interior pictures that includes different shots of digital cluster, air vents...

thekoreancarblog.com

 

[Backslack]

I hear what your saying, although I do find the A7 attractive, I do 100% agree with you when it comes to Audi and the MLB-Evo platform, the massive front overhang on Audi's are ridiculous compared to the likes of BMW, Mercedes & Genesis. Audi desperately needs a RWD platform

The way Audi Quattro systems work, having a massive overhang and FWD platform is essentially required:

One thing should be noted is that, Audi managed to integrate the center differential inside the transmission assembly, without using a separate transfer case like the Lexus. But the tradeoff is it must place the whole engine 100% in front of the front axle, which is exactly a front wheel drive layout. Such layout will cause heavy car nose, not an optimal weight distribution. This is also the reason why some of the Audi cars has front wheel drive version (because it is actually a FWD layout!). To your surprise, in European market the flagship sedan A8 even has a FWD trim available.

Luxury sedan AWD system review - part 2 - YouWheel.com - Car News and Review

The one Audi that doesn't have this setup, the R8, sat on a Lamborghini-exclusive platform, and so was RWD-based. But it was also a mid-engine vehicle that has completely different AWD characteristics.

 

[JCtx]

The problem with Audi IMO is that they chose a FWD-based chassis... BUT with a LONGITUDINAL engine. That exacerbates the overhang for obvious reasons. In addition, the chassis has to have space for the V8 version, which I bought in 2018 (S6). It was my first and last Audi. Ha ha. Lost my a$$ when selling it. Anyway, with a transverse engine, the overhang can be a little less ridiculous.

 

[RCH04]

Overhang aside, most Audi models drive pretty well. The 40/60 rear bias of the AWD helps. Our '16 A6 was a great car. I agree on the depreciation. We took a hit when we traded it in on our current car. The A7 is still appealing, to me at least.

 

[Backslack]

Supposedly the newest high-end Audi models like the A6/A7/A8 now use Quattro Ultra, which isn't the same as the old Quattro with 40/60 rear bias. It's essentially a more advanced on-demand Haldex system that's primarily FWD until it slips in the back:

No surprise, it's a totally inferior system to the old Quattro- front wheel spin on an Audi is almost unheard of:

Like with most downgrades, it was done to improve fuel economy by some meager percentage. Though I think the S and RS line still use the old Quattro 40:60 full-time AWD.

 

[RCH04]

When Audi initially went to the Ultra system there was a lot of concerns and hand wringing on the Q5 and A6 forums and some current owners were saying they'd never drive an Audi with it. As you can imagine that has quieted down and life has gone on. It wouldn't prevent me from buying an Audi with it, although I've been sampling other brands so it would be a while if I did. There's probably a much better chance I'll try a new gen G80 before then.

 

[Backslack]

I think it's the same principal that applies to AWD in general- do regular people even notice it in their daily commute to work? I doubt most people who buy a regular A6 would mash the pedal on a corner to really test out the handling abilities of their car. What Audi is doing does make sense from a consumer perspective, even if as enthusiasts we prefer a RWD-biased drive.

Genesis uses the same AWD system as BMW, designed and built by Magna Steyr, so we already have some idea of what to expect from them.

 

[Glaz]

Looks like New York is out of the picture now for the G80 to be revealed for US.

 

[Genesis HNL]

Article says aluminium trim:

The official Genesis photos released, so far, show wood trim. Could this photo displaying aluminum trim possibly be for a Sport edition of the G80? Or, alternatively, perhaps the trim you get (wood vs aluminum) isn’t model-dependent but may instead depend on other features or packages selected?
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Source: 이번엔 네티즌마저 인정했다... G80이 기대될 수밖에 없는 이유