V6 vs V8

[Nikgen]

For me, I want to pick and choose where I save a few bucks. With the 3.8 I can probably save 5-6K on the purchase price and save a few bucks at the pump. That doesn't mean I want to drive a Prius.....

Right - so fuel efficiency is not high on your list of have-to-haves. It wasn't on mine either. However, if it was, there were other choices that didn't sink all the way down to the level of a Prius

 

[lobsenza]

I added the automatic cooled (or heated) seats. I also added the automatic up/down of the rear sunshade. I provided the details of what I did elsewhere, but in essence I made circuits to electronically press the button to activate the heated/cooled seats and the sunshade.

I did do one test after I made my initial post. I did a floored acceleration from a stop up the hill by my house. The V6 was reasonable. The V8 was unbelievably fast. The difference in daily driving is noticeable, but not this noticeable because I typically do not floor my vehicles from a stop. The difference was much bigger than I expected.

 

[Mark_888]

I did do one test after I made my initial post. I did a floored acceleration from a stop up the hill by my house. The V6 was reasonable. The V8 was unbelievably fast.

That's why I don't buy demos.

 

[Aquineas]

I use it all the time as the car is outside at work during the day. I leave it up all the time (side shades as well) along with a custom front shade when parked. Motorized side shades would be nice!

+1.

 

[Monolith2001]

Everyone has their own needs and budgets which determine what they buy. No one would disagree that a V8 Ultimate is the car to own if you want the greatest Genesis experience but not every wants or cares about that.

The V8 is great for effortless power and I'm sure there are some tangible benefits of the adaptive suspension (US V8 Ultimate). The V6 is for people who need good power and want to keep their TCO low while still getting everything else great about the Genesis.

TCO, using US V6/V8 Utlimate RWD retail pricing, 60,000 mile span, and EPA combined fuel economy. I'll use $3/gal as an average since there is a huge range depending on market and grade over time. I'll assume all other things equal (tires, oil, brakes, etc...) even though they will be more for the V8.

V6 Ultimate: $49,950
Fuel: 60,000 miles/22 mpg = 2727 gals * 3 = $8181

V8 Ultimate: $55,700
Fuel: 60,000 miles/18 mpg = 3333 gals * 3 = $10,000

That works out to $7500 more and while it may be worth it to some, it wasn't for me. H3ll, I got a Signature so my TCO (before negotiation is nearly $15K to a V8U). The V8 is awesome but you pay a premium for it and for those who don't live in their cars or care about maxxing, it's a tough sell. Just like the folks who would not buy a Genesis but would happily go to a German dealership and get nickel and dimed for $10K more and still get less car for the money. Different strokes.

 

[ksoze]

The V8 is awesome but you pay a premium for it and for those who don't live in their cars or care about maxxing, it's a tough sell. Just like the folks who would not buy a Genesis but would happily go to a German dealership and get nickel and dimed for $10K more and still get less car for the money.

It's all relative. A Sonata owner would say the same about your V6 Genesis and the premium you paid for it over his car. As far as how a Genesis V8 buyer is like a nickel and dimed German car buyer, you lost me there.

 

[kn5owa]

Different strokes.

You're right about that - I wanted the V8 and got it. But, I also wanted a red car - and the only red car on the lot had the Ultimate config. But, the extra gadgets (excuse me, technology) didn't impress me, so I wound up with the plain vanilla V8 with blue outside.

Given the benefit of hindsight, red or blue doesn't make a bit of difference - it's just a new car thing when you're shopping.

 

[Monolith2001]

It's all relative. A Sonata owner would say the same about your V6 Genesis and the premium you paid for it over his car. As far as how a Genesis V8 buyer is like a nickel and dimed German car buyer, you lost me there.

The German car thing was just that we all have things that we will pay for that may not make sense to others. It's an individual thing and relative as you said.

Interestingly, I came from a loaded Sonata Turbo (2011) because my kids, now growth-spurt teens, had outgrown the back seat but someone with small kids might say they don't see a need to spend 10K more for a back seat. It is sort of a less relevant comparison since we are talking different cars/class.

 

[Nikgen]

Everyone has their own needs and budgets which determine what they buy. No one would disagree that a V8 Ultimate is the car to own if you want the greatest Genesis experience but not every wants or cares about that.

The V8 is great for effortless power and I'm sure there are some tangible benefits of the adaptive suspension (US V8 Ultimate). The V6 is for people who need good power and want to keep their TCO low while still getting everything else great about the Genesis.

TCO, using US V6/V8 Utlimate RWD retail pricing, 60,000 mile span, and EPA combined fuel economy. I'll use $3/gal as an average since there is a huge range depending on market and grade over time. I'll assume all other things equal (tires, oil, brakes, etc...) even though they will be more for the V8.

V6 Ultimate: $49,950
Fuel: 60,000 miles/22 mpg = 2727 gals * 3 = $8181

V8 Ultimate: $55,700
Fuel: 60,000 miles/18 mpg = 3333 gals * 3 = $10,000

That works out to $7500 more and while it may be worth it to some, it wasn't for me. H3ll, I got a Signature so my TCO (before negotiation is nearly $15K to a V8U). The V8 is awesome but you pay a premium for it and for those who don't live in their cars or care about maxxing, it's a tough sell. Just like the folks who would not buy a Genesis but would happily go to a German dealership and get nickel and dimed for $10K more and still get less car for the money. Different strokes.

You totally ignored the desire for AWD - only available on the V6 in the USA...

 

[Monolith2001]

You totally ignored the desire for AWD - only available on the V6 in the USA...

Since this is a V6/V8 comparison thread and the US (where I live) does not offer an AWD V8, a TCO comparison would not work since we were trying to compare engine costs by taking the most similar variants of each engine SKU. One could make a case that the V6 Tech and US base V8 are perhaps a better comparison but the TCO difference is roughly the same as the two Ultimates over 5 years.

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[Aquineas]

I've lost count of how many times this argument has come up during my 5+ years as part of this forum. Personally I prefer the V8 (because well Powwweeeeerrrrr), but honestly I drove a 3.3 Genesis in Korea and it still was no slouch, and the 3.8s are an improvement on that. Different strokes, different needs, different preferences.

 

[g_153690]

hey guys
i'm a 22 year old dude with a good job (1000+ per paycheck per month) and i love the Genesis Sedan don't get me wrong. beautiful and underrated. im currently driving a chevy 97 lumina with v6 (170 HP and 165 TQ) and i've been eyeing the genesis for a while now. I'm between the V6 or V8. Gas is a very tiny concern but i more moving parts in a engine is a trip to the mechanics but that's me being extra save, BUT i know the 420 HP is really worth it. i just wanna hear from yall's 2 cents about the v6 and v8. Dad was a man with a love for v8's and i want to continue in his footsteps. Looking for a good variation of the genesis variation that's right for me. I just want to know how much you put down since the v8 now is 23-25 and the v6 is 19 to 22k, And overall thoughts about the car.
Thanks guys!

 

[REMIX]

You're only getting 420hp with premium fuel. But it's so cheap now. It think it's derated to 411hp or something with "regular" gas. Still 100hp more than the V6.

I don't think I'd get the V6 if I had the choice now. The V8 car moves - it's not S63 fast or anything - but plenty of power for 99.8% of situations.

These things have depreciated so fast, they're an extremely good value if you get a good one.

 

[Gebop]

When I was first researching the Genesis I started out looking primarily for a 5.0 Ultimate. Once I got to the test driving phase, I discovered the 3.8 AWD ended up being my preference. I had a chance to drive 5.0 back-to-back with the 3.8 AWD as well as 3.8 RWD variant, which is what turned me toward seeking out the 3.8 AWD.

That choice also opened the Genesis hunt to '16 models as there were no 5.0 models imported in '16. This also moved me past my aversion to first model year cars and has the lighting setup I preferred. Unexpectedly, I also now prefer the integrated exhaust finishers to the round tips of the 5.0 (they grew on me). I also prefer a square tire set-up over a staggered one; for both feel and the obvious practical advantage of one tire size all around.

The 5.0 is sneaky fast, given its nearly silent exhaust. But the 3.8 models have a noticeably better (to me) balance and feel. Coming out of an '18 Audi S5 Sportback, I had become smitten with the Quatro AWD system, which I was reminded of when I drove the 3.8 AWD. I had an incident in the 3.8 RWD where I had to pull out across a divided road that was wet and experienced a moment where when I hit the gas the rear wheels momentarily lost traction and I felt the electronic traction system cut power and left me unable to comfortably merge safely. Not sure if the safety system pulls engine timing or not, but I felt frozen for what seemed like an eternity.

In that one scary moment, the choice was clear for me: 3.8 AWD. I came from a car that was much quicker than the 5.0 RWD Genesis, and if I'm being honest, the Audi S5 was too fast for me to resist it's intoxicating quickness. That car was like a precision bullet that I could not resist exploring its limits - all the freaking time. For an urban daily driver, that was a bad mix for a man with poor impulse control. I count myself as very lucky that I never got a ticket in that car. While snow is why many opt for AWD, it's not why I bought an AWD. It's the combination of surefooted wet weather driving and driving dynamics on dry pavement that I like most.

I do think the power of the 3.8 is well-suited to the Genesis. Out on the highway, I have no trouble merging in to traffic and couple of 80-120 passing romps on a long road trip left me not wanting for more power. I'm actually trying to reform my speed demon ways and learn how to cruise in luxury. The Genesis has enabled me to be far more relaxed in driving style. Turn on the Lexicon in a splendidly quite and comfortable cabin, set the cruise control to govern the speed and I'm a wholly safer driver that will now blessedly manage to hang on to his license.

 

[JohnRyanG80_50]

Coming from the 3.8 Rspec coupe, the V8 is a welcome change for me. I loved the 3.8 but the V8 just so much more smoother and the power is immediate.

 

[Scottish Guy]

Coming from Europe, the land of the $5.75 US gallon, [ $6.89 Imp gallon ] I'd be happy with a Genesis model with a modest four pot 2lt Turbo with an acheivable 40 MPG on the highway.

Big cars in Europe have a modest engine option, usually diesel.

 

[carguy75]

I personally love the V8 model I own. I have tried to live with a few V6 luxury models from Mercedes(2011 E350 AWD) and 2014 Buick Lacrosse Premium II V6 recently, however I always desired a large V8 powered sedan that is quick and comfortable. My 2015 Genesis 5.0 fits the bill perfectly for my desires and budget.

Lesson learned, buy the type of car that you want in reality not what seems most logical and you will be very happy with your purchase.

 

[JohnRyanG80_50]

I agree man. I think the V8 compliments the size and weight of the G80 as well.

 

[Scottish Guy]

Lesson learned, buy the type of car that you want in reality not what seems most logical and you will be very happy with your purchase.

Indeed, the decision to buy a particular make and model is down to gut feeling and emotion as much as logic and pragmatism.

If we all bought cars for practicality, fuel economy, sensible luggage space and legroom why would anyone make works of Art like the E Type, Mustang and the Citroen DS ?

 

[BlancaGenny]

Indeed, the decision to buy a particular make and model is down to gut feeling and emotion as much as logic and pragmatism.

If we all bought cars for practicality, fuel economy, sensible luggage space and legroom why would anyone make works of Art like the E Type, Mustang and the Citroen DS ?

Are you kidding? The DS checks off every box you listed