!!WARNING!! 2010 Genesis 3.8 Sedan + Gas fumes = ER visit!!!!

[thor44]

I understand your reluctance to drive the car until this is sorted out. However, it looks like you're going to need some objective data to push HMA to act. So, as a first step, it might not be a bad idea to place a CO detector in the car and leave it outside with the engine running for awhile and see what happens. If the CO level is high under those conditions, you'll have something you can present to HMA.

If the CO level remains within the normal range, you may need to hire a third-party expert to thoroughly check the exhaust and fuel systems. This is the investigation that Hyundai should have done when they had your car to begin with.

BTW, I once owned a Saab that developed a pronounced fuel odor in the cabin that made me experience some of the symptoms you described. I immediately took it to the dealer, who found and repaired a leak.

Waveman,
Thanks for the information. Was the problem with the Saab in the fuel system or the exhaust?

I am meeting with a team of attorneys Monday to discuss options.

By the way, the dealer is offering to work with me to get me out of the car.

 

[ricrawling]

I'm not sure what state you live in, or whether or not you are required to have your car inspected for CO, etc.... at a state inspection facility annually for license plate renewal , but you could go to one of those facilities and have them document the CO level. Since they are a state certified test facility, it would probably be "official enough" to hold up in court should it go that far. I know the newer cars aren't typically tested for CO, but for older cars without the computer interfaces, they are. (at least in TN where I live)

Buying your own CO monitor from a home improvement store, etc... might not be official enough for court or HMA, but would probably provide you peace of mind to drive the vehicle.

 

[waveman]

Waveman,
Thanks for the information. Was the problem with the Saab in the fuel system or the exhaust?

It was a long time ago (around 1986), but as I recall it was a leak in the fuel system, one of many things that went wrong with that car. The smell inside the car was very strong and made me sick quickly.

I am meeting with a team of attorneys Monday to discuss options.

By the way, the dealer is offering to work with me to get me out of the car.

Good to hear. Would you get into another Genesis, or has this experience turned you off Hyundai?

 

[thor44]

I'm not sure what state you live in, or whether or not you are required to have your car inspected for CO, etc.... at a state inspection facility annually for license plate renewal , but you could go to one of those facilities and have them document the CO level. Since they are a state certified test facility, it would probably be "official enough" to hold up in court should it go that far. I know the newer cars aren't typically tested for CO, but for older cars without the computer interfaces, they are. (at least in TN where I live)

Buying your own CO monitor from a home improvement store, etc... might not be official enough for court or HMA, but would probably provide you peace of mind to drive the vehicle.

Very good idea. Unfortunately, I do not live in a state where that testing is required. ( I am from TN and know what you are referring to. )

I have had the same thought about the CO monitor. Even if I have one in the car and it were to go off, it would again be Hyundai's word against mine.
I have a friend that is an engineer at another car company. He was not surprised to hear they found nothing wrong. In his words, "deny, deny, deny - until it is too big to keep quiet". Remind anyone of another recent car company with problems . . . . . ? Starts with a T ??

 

[thor44]

It was a long time ago (around 1986), but as I recall it was a leak in the fuel system, one of many things that went wrong with that car. The smell inside the car was very strong and made me sick quickly.

I did not smell anything until I got out of the car. That is still strange to me.

Good to hear. Would you get into another Genesis, or has this experience turned you off Hyundai?

I don't know. I was willing to work with Hyundai on this. I stated this to them on every occasion I spoke to HMA. They could have offered another genesis, pay for the ER bill, and pay for my lost time in the matter and I would have considered it. I stated this to them on every occasion I spoke to someone at HMA.
After the response of "We have found nothing wrong with the car. You will need to go to the dealer and pick it up today or the dealer will start charging you a storage fee" it seems to me that Hyundai has no problem burning one customer. That is why I wish for others to know of this experience.
If there is every a recall on this issue, then there will be proof that it was brought to their attention. We all know that would be detrimental to them.

 

[Ernie3647]

I did not smell anything until I got out of the car. That is still strange to me.



I don't know. I was willing to work with Hyundai on this. I stated this to them on every occasion I spoke to HMA. They could have offered another genesis, pay for the ER bill, and pay for my lost time in the matter and I would have considered it. I stated this to them on every occasion I spoke to someone at HMA.
After the response of "We have found nothing wrong with the car. You will need to go to the dealer and pick it up today or the dealer will start charging you a storage fee" it seems to me that Hyundai has no problem burning one customer. That is why I wish for others to know of this experience.
If there is every a recall on this issue, then there will be proof that it was brought to their attention. We all know that would be detrimental to them.

I had a similar situation with the car I traded in my Genesis with. The smell was only noticeable when outside the car and not all the time. Had the dealer inspect it and they said nothing could be found. Took the car to somebody else (a more trusted mechanic). He said the EGR system was suspect and he had a method to test the integrity of the system to and from the gas tank. He opened up the line from engine compartment and injected a pressurized test smoke. Soon we saw smoke coming from the rear of the car by the gas tank. After releasing the tank the problem was visible. Deteriorated tubing and a bad clamp. So apparently the smell would only be produced when the pressure was sufficient to overcome these seals. The mystery of the gas smell was resolved. I’m sure the dealer would not commit to such a check for fear of labor cost. Not saying this is your problem but I thought it might shed some light for you.

 

[thor44]

I had a similar situation with the car I traded in my Genesis with. The smell was only noticeable when outside the car and not all the time. Had the dealer inspect it and they said nothing could be found. Took the car to somebody else (a more trusted mechanic). He said the EGR system was suspect and he had a method to test the integrity of the system to and from the gas tank. He opened up the line from engine compartment and injected a pressurized test smoke. Soon we saw smoke coming from the rear of the car by the gas tank. After releasing the tank the problem was visible. Deteriorated tubing and a bad clamp. So apparently the smell would only be produced when the pressure was sufficient to overcome these seals. The mystery of the gas smell was resolved. I’m sure the dealer would not commit to such a check for fear of labor cost. Not saying this is your problem but I thought it might shed some light for you.

Ernie,
VERY interesting info. Thank you for sharing. This is one reason I put this out here - so that others might shed some light on a confusing situation.
If you will see the links I put in a previous post, this sounds like a problem Hyundai has been having with the new Sonata Turbo.
Now I just need to find a trusted mechanic . . . .

 

[Nobody]

I work in the circle track racing industry and while not entirely common, racers do on occasion become sickened during races by carbon monoxide. This is almost always caused by an exhaust leak (cracked header pipe or exhaust pipe). It is generally easy to diagnose and fix this problem. Hyundai and the dealership would have much more to lose if they didn't thoroughly inspect and test your car's exhaust system for leaks.

Obviously, you have the right to remain skeptical and seek whatever recourse you feel you deserve. But I wouldn't necessarily take an isolated incident and assume it is a product-wide problem.

I have noticed that the auto climate control system remains in re-circulate mode for an extended period of time when the car is started and it is extremely hot outside. You can click the re-circulate off and force it to pull in fresh air, which may not cool the car as quickly, but atleast you aren't re-circulating trapped air that may contain elevated levels of carbon monoxide.

 

[ImInPA]

Once the OP actually checks his car to see if it is in fact the source of CO, there is little point to this thread. It appears the OP is more interested in taking legal actions than actually finding out if his car is actually the source.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Once the OP actually checks his car to see if it is in fact the source of CO, there is little point to this thread. It appears the OP is more interested in taking legal actions than actually finding out if his car is actually the source.

Oh quit making sense!
Btw, I might have missed it, but did the OP detail how his dealer checked the exhaust system for a leak? I know they 'found nothing', but what did they do? Less than an independent mechanic? More?
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[thor44]

Oh quit making sense!
Btw, I might have missed it, but did the OP detail how his dealer checked the exhaust system for a leak? I know they 'found nothing', but what did they do? Less than an independent mechanic? More?
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As the OP, let me chime in here:
HMA nor my dealer will provide me ANY test results or tell me what they did to the car after having it for 3 weeks. And I quote, "we are not at liberty to provide you with that information". When I asked how I could obtain the test information, I was told they would provide it if it came to legal proceedings.
??????

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

As the OP, let me chime in here:
HMA nor my dealer will provide me ANY test results or tell me what they did to the car after having it for 3 weeks. And I quote, "we are not at liberty to provide you with that information". When I asked how I could obtain the test information, I was told they would provide it if it came to legal proceedings.
??????

That's very strange. I've never had service or tests from ANY dealer that weren't explained in detail upon request, usually without me asking "what did you do".

Just so it's clear:
You took it to the dealer and asked them to check the exhaust system for leaks. They told you all is fine, but refused to tell you what tests they did?
And did they say why their testing took 3 weeks? (Sorry if you already posted that last piece, don't feel like going back to re-read everything.)

 

[graphor]

I am sorry to say this, but a similar gas fume problem has been discovered in the new 2011 Hyundai Grandeur (Azera in the US) in Korea. The problem is that the gas fume enters to the cabin through the trunk space. Sadly, Hyundai does not want to recall this at this moment (they provides a temporary solution, which is sealing holes under and back of the trunk using plastic stickers and sealant). This is a news article about this problem (in Korean):

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/car/503485.html

If you can smell the gas fume in the car, then probably your Genesis has the same problem as Grandeur in Korea.

I would not drive the car because carbon monoxide is extremely dangerous.

 

[timc1475]

I am sorry to say this, but a similar gas fume problem has been discovered in the new 2011 Hyundai Grandeur (Azera in the US) in Korea. The problem is that the gas fume enters to the cabin through the trunk space. Sadly, Hyundai does not want to recall this at this moment (they provides a temporary solution, which is sealing holes under and back of the trunk using plastic stickers and sealant). This is a news article about this problem (in Korean):

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/car/503485.html

If you can smell the gas fume in the car, then probably your Genesis has the same problem as Grandeur in Korea.

I would not drive the car because carbon monoxide is extremely dangerous.

Interesting read heres the translate for us non Korean readers:

Part 1, "the official automotive operations and homeland grandeur exhaust gas velocities and concluded with regard to precision survey instructions and" traffic safety & health agency car performance Labs "Hyundai will investigate the cause with the", he said. Hyundai launched the new Gran I come up second driver if you drive fast among the "disgusting and messy and cheat as long as it" has been raised steadily the reaction.

The driver of the car ahead of the performance needs of the Institute last month, 25, of four to grandeur, and proceed to test driving the Middle 3 vehicles in the detection of carbon monoxide (CO). 120 ~ 140 km per hour driving test of high speed supercharge acceleration took place in two situations, such as driving. I suggest Bon survey analysis-mount is "carbon monoxide over 30 Phi Phi EM (ppm) and detected were" and "exhaust vents near the vehicle flow phenomenon occurs as the exhaust trunk and said" seems to come indoors.

Korea environmental Corporation proposed integrated standby environment index, carbon monoxide is a 12-30 Phi Phi em ’ ‘ if taken more than 30 steps on Phi Phi EM. ’ ‘ risk levels India central nervous disorders such as common risk phase, can be harmful effect.

Grandeur buyers directly, such as collective response to measure indoor air. Grandeur Club operated House Nuri (37), "current Coyotes filed a complaint to us by saying" more than 600 people in the cafe, but the status of an official apology and recall measures Hyundai "want", he said. In July this year, Mr. Kim Seung-wook (44) purchased "Hyundai vehicle rear ventilation filter components in protest, but there is no" and "Exchange has no visible effect, as well as the currently shipping vehicles across the recall for sale should be stopped immediately," he said.

Hyundai is "based on the results of the forensic investigation of customers will" take appropriate action, he said. Since the launch in January of this year the new Gran I currently sold over nine million units, Hyundai Elantra, the center of the records on domestic sales of 2.

Choi Hyun-Jun press haojune@hani.co.kr

 

[dg_moore]

Interesting read heres the translate for us non Korean readers:

Part 1, "the official automotive operations and homeland grandeur exhaust gas velocities and concluded with regard to precision survey instructions and" traffic safety & health agency car performance Labs "Hyundai will investigate the cause with the", he said. Hyundai launched the new Gran I come up second driver if you drive fast among the "disgusting and messy and cheat as long as it" has been raised steadily the reaction.

The driver of the car ahead of the performance needs of the Institute last month, 25, of four to grandeur, and proceed to test driving the Middle 3 vehicles in the detection of carbon monoxide (CO). 120 ~ 140 km per hour driving test of high speed supercharge acceleration took place in two situations, such as driving. I suggest Bon survey analysis-mount is "carbon monoxide over 30 Phi Phi EM (ppm) and detected were" and "exhaust vents near the vehicle flow phenomenon occurs as the exhaust trunk and said" seems to come indoors.

Korea environmental Corporation proposed integrated standby environment index, carbon monoxide is a 12-30 Phi Phi em ’ ‘ if taken more than 30 steps on Phi Phi EM. ’ ‘ risk levels India central nervous disorders such as common risk phase, can be harmful effect.

Grandeur buyers directly, such as collective response to measure indoor air. Grandeur Club operated House Nuri (37), "current Coyotes filed a complaint to us by saying" more than 600 people in the cafe, but the status of an official apology and recall measures Hyundai "want", he said. In July this year, Mr. Kim Seung-wook (44) purchased "Hyundai vehicle rear ventilation filter components in protest, but there is no" and "Exchange has no visible effect, as well as the currently shipping vehicles across the recall for sale should be stopped immediately," he said.

Hyundai is "based on the results of the forensic investigation of customers will" take appropriate action, he said. Since the launch in January of this year the new Gran I currently sold over nine million units, Hyundai Elantra, the center of the records on domestic sales of 2.

Choi Hyun-Jun press haojune@hani.co.kr

Well, then. That clears it right up... Machine translation hasn't really come all that far since I first worked on it in the early '60s

 

[Glashub]

^^^^^

 

[cschuler]

There are a couple of items in this long thread that need to be clarified:

1/ Pure CO cannot be smell-detected by humans, but as a component of automobile exhaust gas it would seem that some odor or eye irritation would have preceeded the symptoms that sent the driver to the ER.

2/ Doing one's own CO monitoring is not likely to be a legal advantage, if it does come to that.

3/ Raw gasoline fumes do not contain much, if any, CO.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

There are a couple of items in this long thread that need to be clarified:

1/ Pure CO cannot be smell-detected by humans, but as a component of automobile exhaust gas it would seem that some odor or eye irritation would have preceeded the symptoms that sent the driver to the ER.

2/ Doing one's own CO monitoring is not likely to be a legal advantage, if it does come to that.

3/ Raw gasoline fumes do not contain much, if any, CO.

Yep. I think I made that point earlier, but thanks for the reminder.

 

[cschuler]

Yep. I think I made that point earlier, but thanks for the reminder.

3 distinct items were mentioned.

 

[graphor]

Note that gas fume is not gasoline vapor but exhaust gas. This must not enter the cabin space.

This is a video clip of testing CO level in 2011 Hyundai Grandeur while driving on highways.

http://tvpot.daum.net/v/37298848?lu=flvPlayer_out