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What do you dislike about the Genesis Coupe?

Sal Collaziano

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Okay. You're either here because you're love the Genesis Coupe - or hate it. More often than not people sign up at forums like these to complain and/or research issues. Sometimes people sign up to gather around like-minded same-car owners.

What are some of the things you don't like about the Genesis Coupe? What would you like to see improved in the second generation? When all is said and done, I'll take the most popular complaints and wishes and add them to this post...
 
Can't say I dislike anything about my '15 Ultimate, MT. I researched and tested it before I traded my Veloster for it.
The few gripes that some people have, seem to be about items that are no better, and in most case far worse, in other cars.
And I've owned and driven a wiiiide variety of cars in my 70-some years. Loved most of them, from my first, a Volvo P1800. I'd love to have many of them back, but I wouldn't give up this car for any of them. Also still driving a customized Thunderbird show car and an Elantra Touring/i30.
 
Since we don't have many people talking yet - what are some of the things you hear that other people don't like? :p
 
Since we don't have many people talking yet - what are some of the things you hear that other people don't like? :p

Most people that I know, don't know much of anything about Hyundai, at all! Of course, some car enthusiasts are familiar with their early entries into the U.S. market, which are not something to be bragged about, lol. And other, up-to-date car enthusiasts, have realized that big changes have been made.

OK, my "dislikes" about the coupe:

1. The back seat(s) are nothing more than grocery space, as they can't seat a human being over age 10, without their head hitting the roof...or requiring a gymnast to climb out after a ride :D. (I knew this before buying, but it wasn't a concern for me!).

2. The rear differential slip is something that takes getting used to. I last had it on a 69 Z/28 Camaro (and I drove other cars with it in the 70's) that I restored, but this car reacts/feels much differently...and in an odd way. Pulling out/onto a roadway, while turning and adding a little pedal causes a "dead pause" in this vehicle, which doesn't feel normal.

Those ^ are my only "dislikes", so far. #1 was insignificant, and #2 was immediate, and still feels strange.

I've only owned the car (2013 model) for approx 3mths, so I may have more to say at some point. I love the handling, response, power and even the interior. It's a very cool car, to me. My only anxiety, is over how to "differently" care for a turbo engine, as I've never owned one. If anyone could chime-in as to what some care tips are best....I'd love to hear it.
 
2. The rear differential slip is something that takes getting used to. I last had it on a 69 Z/28 Camaro (and I drove other cars with it in the 70's) that I restored, but this car reacts/feels much differently...and in an odd way. Pulling out/onto a roadway, while turning and adding a little pedal causes a "dead pause" in this vehicle, which doesn't feel normal....

My only anxiety, is over how to "differently" care for a turbo engine, as I've never owned one. If anyone could chime-in as to what some care tips are best....I'd love to hear it.
The "dead pause" has nothing to do with the differential. That's the traction control kicking in. Turn it off if you want to drive in a performance manner.

The differential "slip" you refer to seems to indicate that you have either the Base model 2.0T or the Premium 2.0T, neither of which have a Torsen diff (or the 3.8 GT, either). As such, the regular limited slip is just like the old-fashioned "unlimited spin" diffs where one wheel is allowed to spin freely. The Torsen LS is like the old-fashioned "posi-trac", and both wheels are almost always tied together, except for certain exceptions. The Torsen is on the performance models, the 2.0T R-Spec, 3.8 R-Spec, and 3.8 Track/Ultimate.

So, mine has the Torsen and there is no slip, ever, unless I get one wheel airborne, which takes some very aggressive cornering ;)

As for car care of a turbo, it's just like car care of any engine. Keep the oil changed as recommended. Run the best gas you can. Don't hold the engine at redline, etc, etc.
 
As for my dislikes, the only thing I dislike about the Genesis Coupe is the rafts of misinformation about it posted on discussion forums and by journalists who are brand snobs. It's an awesome car, extremely well-engineered for the price point, no matter what trim level you get. Most complaints can be narrowed down to the driver, and usually amount to getting the wrong model for what you really wanted. Don't get the Base model and expect top performance, and don't get one of the sport models and expect a cushy ride. I couldn't be more pleased with my 3.8 R-Spec :)
 
What's with the term, "GenCow". I'm guessing people feel the Genesis Coupe is too heavy. You kinda hear that about every car these days - but I hear it more so with the Genesis Coupe than much else...
 
At ~3200 pounds, it's not heavy. A 370Z is ~3300. A lot of people compare the Coupe to the FRS/BRZ, which is a much smaller car. Again, so much misinfo online. The Genesis Coupe must be compared to the Audi A8, Infinity G37, etc.
 
At ~3200 pounds, it's not heavy. A 370Z is ~3300. A lot of people compare the Coupe to the FRS/BRZ, which is a much smaller car. Again, so much misinfo online. The Genesis Coupe must be compared to the Audi A8, Infinity G37, etc.

A8? I'm guessing you meant A6.

It's funny, I'm seeing all these ads from Scion trying to get Genesis Coupe buyers to look at the FR-S. They talk about how it weighs less and costs less. Well it's an entirely different type of car - meant for a different purpose. I find it funny but I'm sure as hell that the average consumer thinks, "Wow! The FR-S is so much better for the price!"... :rolleyes:
 
The "dead pause" has nothing to do with the differential. That's the traction control kicking in. Turn it off if you want to drive in a performance manner.

OK, I can understand this. In my day, there was no such thing as traction control feature. In the few mths I have owned this car, I have not fully tested/driven it (ie., played much with paddle shifting, disengaging traction control etc..)

The differential "slip" you refer to seems to indicate that you have either the Base model 2.0T or the Premium 2.0T, neither of which have a Torsen diff (or the 3.8 GT, either). As such, the regular limited slip is just like the old-fashioned "unlimited spin" diffs where one wheel is allowed to spin freely. The Torsen LS is like the old-fashioned "posi-trac", and both wheels are almost always tied together, except for certain exceptions. The Torsen is on the performance models, the 2.0T R-Spec, 3.8 R-Spec, and 3.8 Track/Ultimate.

Yes, I have the 2.0T model. And yes, it is like cars that I grew up with (RWD, with either, one rear tire spinning.....or both, depending on the make/model.

As for car care of a turbo, it's just like car care of any engine. Keep the oil changed as recommended. Run the best gas you can. Don't hold the engine at redline, etc, etc.

I'm not a kid, so holding the engine at red-line, lol, won't be an issue, lol.
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OK, I can understand this. In my day, there was no such thing as traction control feature. In the few mths I have owned this car, I have not fully tested/driven it (ie., played much with paddle shifting, disengaging traction control etc..)



Yes, I have the 2.0T model. And yes, it is like cars that I grew up with (RWD, with either, one rear tire spinning.....or both, depending on the make/model.



I'm not a kid, so holding the engine at red-line, lol, won't be an issue, lol.

Apparently everyone thinks that everyone that joins the Genesis forums have never driven a car before. I asked about turning off the overbearing traction control nanny and the first response lectured me about how I should keep it on. The damn thing almost got me rear ended. I pulled out and the car went tits up. It eventually let me do what I needed to do which was GTFO of the way. It is the worst traction con/stability control system ever.
The F-35 Lightning II had the same problem. The nanny kicked in way before the pilot wanted it to. The whole "It can't fight,it can't run" bull squat was not a design failure. it was a software failure that has been fixed. it can now own a F-18,F-18 Super Hornet in a dogfight and destroy everything except a F-22 .
Sometimes electronics are far too overbearing.
 
The F-35 Lightning II had the same problem. The nanny kicked in way before the pilot wanted it to. The whole "It can't fight,it can't run" bull squat was not a design failure. it was a software failure that has been fixed. it can now own a F-18,F-18 Super Hornet in a dogfight and destroy everything except a F-22 .

I've read about one or two F16s that would beg to disagree. And I'd like to see the F35 run with an F15 in air-superiority!
 
I traded a 2014 Mercedes CLA45 AMG for this car to still have somewhat of a sporty drive but at a price point that was much easier to swallow.

My 2015 Ultimate M/T seems to be a good car, my son has 2013 and still likes it, great bang for the buck. I paid $29,900, it was discounted because it sat on the dealer lot for 7+ months...they had another with the same options and colors and needed to move the older car...

I drove the 370Z and FRS before buying it, neither car has the power, Nissan was more money. The RFS/BRZ was a gutless wonder, felt like the parking brake was on.

As for my dislikes on the Genesis coupe...the nose design is heavy / chunky, kind of looks like a Carp going down the road with all the black in the grill, but it grows on you. The rear end is awesome, great styling, my factory rear wing is definitely not needed, wish I didn't have it.

My main dislike right now is minor, but it is the very poor door latch quality, each time I open the door there is an awful clunk and sudden movement of the door latch. Overall feel is cheap. The door closes soundly, it's just the latch,

Premium radio in the ultimate is decent, but I don't use the navigation at all,
 
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1) Hyundai's 6 speed manual trans leaves a lot to be desired - had mine replaced @ 29,000 miles and replacement isn't that hot either. (Yes - 2010 GTs had optional manuals available)

2) the traction control should be taken out and shot at sunrise

3) the 2010's GT interior has way too much hard black plastic, the silver fascia on dash was overbearing (I put black overlay on mine), and the "brown" leather on the seats and doors is the color of meconium. I got a GT because I didn't like the spoiler on the back of the Track version, and because it was available.

4) many electric switches (relays? contacts?) on my car have been replaced under warranty; hood contact switch, clutch & brake switches, both door locks, etc.

Other than that, I love my Coupe and will probably keep it for at least 5 more years.
 
I traded a 2014 Mercedes CLA45 AMG for this car to still have somewhat of a sporty drive but at a price point that was much easier to swallow.

My 2015 Ultimate M/T seems to be a good car, my son has 2013 and still likes it, great bang for the buck. I paid $29,900, it was discounted because it sat on the dealer lot for 7+ months...they had another with the same options and colors and needed to move the older car...

I drove the 370Z and FRS before buying it, neither car has the power, Nissan was more money. The RFS/BRZ was a gutless wonder, felt like the parking brake was on.

As for my dislikes on the Genesis coupe...the nose design is heavy / chunky, kind of looks like a Carp going down the road with all the black in the grill, but it grows on you. The rear end is awesome, great styling, my factory rear wing is definitely not needed, wish I didn't have it.

My main dislike right now is minor, but it is the very poor door latch quality, each time I open the door there is an awful clunk and sudden movement of the door latch. Overall feel is cheap. The door closes soundly, it's just the latch,

Premium radio in the ultimate is decent, but I don't use the navigation at all,
I completely agree about the factory wing, that's why I went for the R-Spec on my 2016, I would have liked to of had the features of the ultimate, although the only thing the ultimate has that I wouldn't be willing to do to my car is put in the sunroof, otherwise it's all available to put together with aftermarket parts and equipment. Also a more I'd like a more aggressive grill and headlights, like something similar to the new Mazda's.
 
Lacking 3rd party tuning support.
Those that can tune currently are "proprietary", for all intents and purposes
 
Dislikes:

1. The clutch take up on this car requires the driver to put in extra effort to obtain smooth shifts. I've owned half a dozen m/t cars over the years and this one is by far the easiest to stall, even with experience.
2. Clunky door syndrome. It just imparts a sense of cheapness that is inconsistent with the rest of the car.
3. Traction and Stability Control systems. Too intrusive, but at least can be turned off.
4. Steering wheel looks a little cheap. My Santa Fe Sport is much nicer.
5. Sucks back the gas at a disappointing rate if driven in a 'sporty' manner, but hey, it's a sports car, so not a deal breaker.

Likes:

1. Sexy, aggressive, exotic looking body, from any angle. One of the best looking cars, particularly considering it's price point. Looks like a much more expensive car than it is.
2. Fabulous sounding factory exhaust. Definitely doesn't sound like the stereotypical Asian car.
3. Very nice interior. Materials generally feel and look high quality.
4. 348 hp! Not too many years ago, 300+ hp was the realm of MUCH more expensive cars.
5. A very generous appointment of standard features.
6. Rarity factor. Compared to its competition (Mustang, Camaro, BRZ, 370Z, etc.) you don't see many Gen Coupes on the road.
7. Value. Hyundai provides a great product for a reasonable amount of money.
 
You have to admit it IS extremely impressive that Hyundai has 348 reliable, naturally aspirated horsepower out of their V6...
 
Okay. You're either here because you're love the Genesis Coupe - or hate it. More often than not people sign up at forums like these to complain and/or research issues. Sometimes people sign up to gather around like-minded same-car owners.

What are some of the things you don't like about the Genesis Coupe? What would you like to see improved in the second generation? When all is said and done, I'll take the most popular complaints and wishes and add them to this post...

Here are some of my owner observations pro and con regarding the Genesis Coupe, in case it helps anyone.

I previously owned a 306 hp 3.8 R-Spec Coupe, and when I traded it in for a 348 hp 2016 3.8 Base Coupe, I looked forward to (and LOVE) the added horsepower, but even after test driving it, I didn't fully appreciate how different the 3.8 engine had become, and how much its automatic transmission, even with its paddle shifters and Sport Mode, would degrade the overall driving experience. The difference between the two models was huge: the R-Spec was very sporty and great fun to drive whereas the automatic model, though still fun to drive, was only kind of sporty, sometimes. To the 'average' backyard mechanic, the 2016 3.8 GDI engine (as opposed to the 2011 R-Spec engine) is likely to be a more bewildering jumble of unfamiliar gadgetry, and it is so computer-controlled that many owners may well feel too intimidated and inconvenienced to perform any maintenance themselves.

1. I didn't know about the possible negative aspects of Hyundai's implementation of gasoline direct injection (all I knew was that GDI was an 'improvement' that accounted for much of that increased horsepower.) As I understand it, EGR gases are fed back into the intake manifold and enter the engine through the intake valves, but no cooling, valve-washing fuel flows over the intake valves because gasoline is injected below the valves, directly into the combustion chamber. Therefore, intake valves accumulate crankcase EGR blowby carbon deposits that degrade performance, requiring costly intake system cleaning (recommended every 15K miles or so by the dealer) at a cost of around $260 per cleaning. (My 3.8 already has 23K miles and has never yet been cleaned. I’ve lately noticed some rough starting symptoms; maybe it’s time to clean the intake system.)

Hyundai's engineers must have known this could create problems, yet they opted not to supply a simple, inexpensive oil catch can that could greatly mitigate intake valve fouling. If you want one, you’ll have to purchase and install it yourself.

Outside of complex removal of the intake plenum, there's no obvious way to visually inspect the intake valves to determine the actual degree of fouling, nor to visually verify that the costly cleaning actually removes any of the deposits.

I have a lighted inspection probe tool (like an endoscope) that I suspect might be able to very carefully snaked down through the intake plenum and into one of the intake tubes to get a glimpse of the condition of at least one intake valve... but I haven't tried it yet. Doing a very costly upper engine teardown every 15,000 miles to verify the accretion status and the effectiveness of dealer cleaning is out of the question for all but the mechanically crazy.

2. I was rather surprised to discover that on the 2016 348 hp 3.8 engine, each plug has its own coil bolted on top of it, so periodically inspecting the plugs is a bit more hassle than I'm used to. Granted, Hyundai doesn't recommend or mandate periodic plug inspection, but I like to check them every 20K miles as a general practice nevertheless. Most of the plugs are obscured by a rat's nest of other components that overlay them and must be loosened or removed to gain access. I assume those separate coils help with fuel economy and increased horsepower. That's good, but it adds enough maintenance hassle that I have so far not bothered to do it.

3. After seven years of production, the oil filter and oil pan drain plug on the 3.8 Coupe STILL remain deliberately placed in the most inaccessible possible locations underneath the engine, making it an ordeal for an owner to change their own oil: you need to jack up the front of the car and remove the pan that entirely covers the bottom of the engine compartment, before you can even get to the oil drain plug and filter.

4. I was disappointed to find that the headlights on the 2011 R-Spec were quite superior in brightness and beam control, to the headlights on the 2016 Base Coupe. Why not equip all vehicles with the best available headlighting, for customer safety? Does doing otherwise suggest that base coupe owners don't need to be as safe driving at night, as owners of more upscale models? Naturally, the dealer's sales rep didn't mention any of this during the purchase process. Ironically, it might well have persuaded me to upgrade.

5. I will never again buy a vehicle without first obtaining assurance that a full set of high quality, vehicle and model-specific factory maintenance manuals can be either purchased in print or downloaded as high resolution PDFs at a reasonable price, ie, under $50. Call me cheap!

6. The automatic transmission in the 2016 3.8 coupe is a big disappointment. "Sport Mode" makes shifts noticeably faster when you want crisp accelleration, but most of the time, I end up leaving it in gas-saving Drive (Drone) mode as i snore my way through heavy traffic. If I need to suddenly accellerate and then decelerate in Drone Mode, the response of the transmission is delayed and sloppy. When I stomp the accellerator, there's a clumsy stumble, then the engine roars, rocketing me forward, and if I then try to modulate that accelleration, the engine may surge or choke as I, the computer, the transmission, and (maybe) the Automatic Traction Control, wrestle for dominance. Any such manuvers are best done in the somewhat more responsive sport mode, but even then, I still feel like I’m wrestling to some degree for control. Also, the paddle shifters turn with the steering wheel, which I guess makes sense, except they can become very clumsy to use if I’m accellerating while turning the wheel beyond 45 degrees. The 6-speed manual in my previous 3.8 R-Spec was a hundred times easier and more fun to use during assertive driving, giving me a much greater feeling of control at all times.

7. Why Hyundai never increased the wheelbase by 4-5 inches, is a mystery to me. Dealer salesmen told me that many older adults didn't view the Coupe as a true 'luxury' sport vehicle (even the Ultimate) because it didn't fit people over 5'10" very well. Larger adults couldn't push the seats back far enough to be comfortable, and the base coupe’s cheaper fabric seats aren’t anything to write home about, either. Stretching the wheelbase by just a few inches might have opened up more sales to well-heeled adult buyers, and the extra length would have simplified the occasional loading of lengthy objects: you could easily lower the rear seat backs all the way without having them hit the front seat backs. With the coupe's present design, if you’re 5’10 or taller and keep your seats set full to the rear like me, loading a lengthy object means both doors have to be opened and both front seats slid forward, just to get the rear seat backs all the way down so you can load a few 8-ft. 2x4s. Subsequent unloading usually requires a repeat of that scenario.

8. For performance reasons, I wish the Genesis Coupes were factory equipped with aluminum hoods and trunk lids instead of heavier steel components. Every little bit of reduced weight, helps.

9. My 2011 R-Spec did not have cruise control. It drove me crazy, expecially on long trips (every trip in Texas tends to be a long trip!) and since the horsepower curve on the 306 HP 3.8 R-Spec just started to ramp up around 70 MPH, holding the R-Spec at posted 70-75 MPH speed limits with my accellerator foot, was a constant hassle…speed would always creep up to 85 in a few seconds. Cruise control would have solved that problem. I hope Hyundai changed that policy and made Cruise available options for subsequent R-Specs and/or Tracks.
 
As for my dislikes, the only thing I dislike about the Genesis Coupe is the rafts of misinformation about it posted on discussion forums and by journalists who are brand snobs. It's an awesome car, extremely well-engineered for the price point, no matter what trim level you get. Most complaints can be narrowed down to the driver, and usually amount to getting the wrong model for what you really wanted. Don't get the Base model and expect top performance, and don't get one of the sport models and expect a cushy ride. I couldn't be more pleased with my 3.8 R-Spec :)
Did you ever get a code thrown on bank A on the cam shaft
 
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