What have you Raced?

[mic_crispy]

And WHY do you need the engine sound plumbed into the cabin? Does it make you feel that much better having spent the amount of money you did on the vehicle?

If you make enough horsepower, you will not need it plumbed into the cabin, it will take care of it itself.

The WHY is simple. Because the car is well insulated. Same reason why Porsche does it, Merc, Ford, Chevy etc etc.

Its plenty loud anyway(louder than my E92 M3 with exhaust), and you can disable the sound if you want (its only 3% so its not a huge difference anyway).



Also to your above post, i actually posted real world numbers vs real world for these two cars (not manufacture specs). The disparity is clear.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Most of you are being civilized. Thank you. If you need to agree to disagree when all is said and done - please do so. I'll chime in on my thoughts over sound being "piped in" to vehicles...

I never really thought much about this as I've been reading about it on numerous forums - piped in sound... I originally thought it was a stupid idea. But after reading this discussion it's starting to make sense.

On one hand, there's so much insulation and sound deadening material in cars these days - to keep them quite and "luxurious" inside - that you don't hear much "rumble of the engine" anymore. That surely leaves people happy when they want a nice, relaxing, quiet drive. However --- what about when your adrenaline is flowing and you're on a "spirited" drive? You might not want that "quiet" experience anymore - and that's where the piped-in sound comes from.

If I'm not mistaken - this sound is not coming through while you're going easy on the gas. But once you put your foot to the floor, it comes through to compliment the experience. I'm not sure how many people want to put the pedal to the metal and hear absolutely nothing (I realize that's not going to happen but you surely see my point).

 

[mic_crispy]

Most of you are being civilized. Thank you. If you need to agree to disagree when all is said and done - please do so. I'll chime in on my thoughts over sound being "piped in" to vehicles...

I never really thought much about this as I've been reading about it on numerous forums - piped in sound... I originally thought it was a stupid idea. But after reading this discussion it's starting to make sense.

On one hand, there's so much insulation and sound deadening material in cars these days - to keep them quite and "luxurious" inside - that you don't hear much "rumble of the engine" anymore. That surely leaves people happy when they want a nice, relaxing, quiet drive. However --- what about when your adrenaline is flowing and you're on a "spirited" drive? You might not want that "quiet" experience anymore - and that's where the piped-in sound comes from.

If I'm not mistaken - this sound is not coming through while you're going easy on the gas. But once you put your foot to the floor, it comes through to compliment the experience. I'm not sure how many people want to put the pedal to the metal and hear absolutely nothing (I realize that's not going to happen but you surely see my point).

Thats exactly it. Cars are so well engineered these days and ///M drivers (3/4/5/6) expect a certain level of 'ear stimulation' which just isnt possible with how well they are built + Turbos (all M models are Turbo now). People these days expect every day luxury + performance with no compromise on either. Its just a way to get there.

But again, even my NA near 8k redline Flat 6 Porsche has piped in sound.
Cars are held to such high standards these days that you just cant have one thing without the other.

If you build a car with thin enough insulation that you can ear the howl of the motor (like you want to in a high performance car), 70% of your buyers will bitch about it being loud, droning, tire noise etc etc.

Piped in sound (Weather it be fake, real, through speakers, through an actual pipe, valves) is a way to meet all the demands.

I stopped concerning myself with it, unless its FAKE... For example, new stangs (i4/6) have FAKE... IE recorded audio pumped in.
The M is not fake. Its amplified.

 

[F80 M3 Hyundai killer]

Yes I posted real numbers, real world numbers that I have achieved and others have to and posted real times with actual proof from track etc. regarding heat soak, you just don't get it, BMW has done everything possible to make it less and they have done a great job of it and I can tell on track after 20 laps the car is still going strong. Enjoy your cars fellas back to BMW forums it was fun while it lasted but you all are still freaking delusional.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Enjoy your cars fellas back to BMW forums it was fun while it lasted but you all are still freaking delusional.

Delusional about what? That we paid probably half of what you did for a car that is in the same class as yours? A mid size size luxury sedan that comes stock with most of the things you have to pay extra for? And one that can hold it's own against most other cars in the class. Oh, and it spends more time on the road that in the shop.

If that's delusional, then I'll take it any day.


As for the sound, I guess I quit worrying about engine sound a long time ago. After daily driving a 600 hp/600 tq monster and listening to the raw power from the dual 3" exhaust, I've gotten over it. I'd rather be the sleeper that you didn't expect, or hear coming.

 

[I pity the fool]

Delusional about what? That we paid probably half of what you did for a car that is in the same class as yours? A mid size size luxury sedan that comes stock with most of the things you have to pay extra for? And one that can hold it's own against most other cars in the class. Oh, and it spends more time on the road that in the shop.

The Genesis competes with cars such as the S4, C400, and the 335 which in all honesty isn't all that impressive performance wise. Especially since the 335 beats both the 2012 and 2015 Genesis in 0-60 times, and in the quarter mile it beats the 2015 Genesis, and ties with the 2012. (The 435 beats both Genesis in both times). The C400 is faster than the 2015 Genesis, and has the same 0-60 time as 2012 Genesis. Quarter Mile it beats the 2015 Genesis and gets beaten by the 2012 Genesis. The S4 is at times faster (4.4-4.7 seconds) then the 2012 Genesis, and always faster then the 2015 Genesis 0-60 wise. The S4 beats the 2015 Genesis in the quarter mile. Therefore if the Genesis competes with those cars, and even loses to them at times; it's rather obvious that it won't compete with the RS5, M3/M4, and the C63.

As for your little reliability attack. Well BMW's are more reliable then Hyundai's.
http://www.jdpower.com/es/node/18726

So sure BMW owners and AMG owners pay a bit more, but they get a lot more car especially performance wise. (The Genesis 5.0 doesn't cost half the amount of the BMW. The base price is only 15k less in Canada, and 12k less in the U.S). Also even the mod was skeptical of the Genesis beating the M4. So that's what the other guy was pointing at when he stated you guys are being delusional. Which I must agree with because the Genesis is a good car, but it's no competitor to the M4 performance wise. As for it beating a Mustang GT? Don't know. Could care less about Mustangs so I don't know their times etc.

 

[F80 M3 Hyundai killer]

You bought a car half the price and yet in the same class? GTFO with that bs...it's like me saying my M3 is in the same class of Ferrari!

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

(The Genesis 5.0 doesn't cost half the amount of the BMW. The base price is only 15k less in Canada, and 12k less in the U.S).

The base BMW may be 12K more but by the time you add in the options to the BMW that come stock on the base Genesis, your up a whole lot more.

So a smaller 335 can beat the larger Genesis to 60 but not in the 1/4 mile? Why do you say the Genesis competes with the 335 which is a smaller car? Isn't the Genesis more the size of the 5 series?

As for the reliability, my cousin worked for a major BMW dealership. Even he says they seem to spend more time in the shop than on the road. And to do ANY work on them, you need specialized tools.

If the Genesis is so bad on reliability, how come the Genesis won the JD power award for reliability the first time it was eligible (2012)? Don't see any BMW's on that list. http://autos.jdpower.com/content/st...ehicle-dependability-study-results.htm?page=2

The link you posted just states that for 2015, there are more issues with Bluetooth and voice recognition. That's not reliability to me.

 

[filetitan]

Ok... Took on M4 BMW Coupe. He started it... anyway, we were rolling down the rural 4 lane after a turn from another street. Since it was nice I had the roof open and partial back windows. So when he lit up, it sounded like a loud 1960s UPS truck without mufflers.. The worst sounding straight 6 I have ever heard. Turbos or not, I took him and he never caught up. All I heard was the fading truck engine, and not a peep out of the super quiet under max acceleration 2012 5.0. Just a constant growing rush of classy quiet refined V8 speed. Up the road at another light, he made sure he was behind me, and turned off as soon as he could.

Holy cow. That's amazing. Factory freak indeed!

Next up 997 GT3?

 

[Sal Collaziano]

The Genesis competes with cars such as the S4, C400, and the 335 which in all honesty isn't all that impressive performance wise. Especially since the 335 beats both the 2012 and 2015 Genesis in 0-60 times, and in the quarter mile it beats the 2015 Genesis, and ties with the 2012. (The 435 beats both Genesis in both times). The C400 is faster than the 2015 Genesis, and has the same 0-60 time as 2012 Genesis. Quarter Mile it beats the 2015 Genesis and gets beaten by the 2012 Genesis. The S4 is at times faster (4.4-4.7 seconds) then the 2012 Genesis, and always faster then the 2015 Genesis 0-60 wise. The S4 beats the 2015 Genesis in the quarter mile. Therefore if the Genesis competes with those cars, and even loses to them at times; it's rather obvious that it won't compete with the RS5, M3/M4, and the C63.

As mentioned, the Genesis vs M4 race story was just a story about a particular race - or whatever it was. In reality the Genesis is a midsize car that's actually just about fullsize. It's a BIG midsize car. So it doesn't really compete with cars like the 3-Series, C-Class and A4, etcetera. It should be getting matched up with cars it's own size - which would be the 5-Series, E-Class, A6, etcetera. Heavier cars...

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[Crusty Old Shellback]

As mentioned, the Genesis vs M4 race story was just a story about a particular race - or whatever it was. In reality the Genesis is a midsize car that's actually just about fullsize. It's a BIG midsize car. So it doesn't really compete with cars like the 3-Series, C-Class and A4, etcetera. It should be getting matched up with cars it's own size - which would be the 5-Series, E-Class, A6, etcetera. Heavier cars...

Seems the troll has brought his friends along.

According to JD powers, which the Trolls are using for info, they put the BMW 4 series in the Compact Premium Car segment and the Genesis in the Midsize Premium Car segment. big difference.

 

[DRS]

Most of you are being civilized. Thank you. If you need to agree to disagree when all is said and done - please do so. I'll chime in on my thoughts over sound being "piped in" to vehicles...

I never really thought much about this as I've been reading about it on numerous forums - piped in sound... I originally thought it was a stupid idea. But after reading this discussion it's starting to make sense.

On one hand, there's so much insulation and sound deadening material in cars these days - to keep them quite and "luxurious" inside - that you don't hear much "rumble of the engine" anymore. That surely leaves people happy when they want a nice, relaxing, quiet drive. However --- what about when your adrenaline is flowing and you're on a "spirited" drive? You might not want that "quiet" experience anymore - and that's where the piped-in sound comes from.


If I'm not mistaken - this sound is not coming through while you're going easy on the gas. But once you put your foot to the floor, it comes through to compliment the experience. I'm not sure how many people want to put the pedal to the metal and hear absolutely nothing (I realize that's not going to happen but you surely see my point).

Anyone who drops in like a troll would do, call people liars, skoff at them, will have reflected back some of their own medicine. So, I hope you are not lumping me in with the "name callers" that popped in here.

As for piped in sound or audio auto tuned sound... The insulated Is emotional justification. As I said before, if these vaunted Porsche or BMW lessors or owners had heard about this from Oriental car makers 7 years ago, they would be trolling around then mocking others. They would say things like "if you had s good sounding motor and drivetrain, with a refined chassis that does not have annoying road/tire noise, you would not need this fake sounds". You KNOW the snoots would react this way.., but because it is in some German prestige car they pay or lease,mother will justify anything and call it good.. What nonsense.

The excuse about insulation being too good, is like a addicted alcoholic saying fine wine needs some Tequila added. But, it is a free choice. Just quit trying to say it is superior. It is not.. What is next, adding faux tire squealing or roaring tires like on a old James Bond movie chase scene? Or how about fake road noise because the cars are too well insulated. Or, how about fake feedback with electric motor driven power steering when going over bumpy road because the suspension is too insulated? Oops, they already do the fake feedback thing on the steering.. And the Koreans now have joined in... Looks like fake sounds in our cars are next.. Will end my purchasing Hyundai...

Just so long as any of this fakery is not run by the Lucas Electric of today.. Continental... That German company has caused fits with crappy reliability self drive or traffic alert tech.. Which is also installed in the Hyundai line. Oh, and when it is out of warranty, the cost to repair makes Lucas crap of old look low cost.

Final point.. Like old High school like IZOD wearing bullies, will get their shirts ripped off when they drop in unannounced and act like jerks. So too will drive by non Hyundai commenters here. That has nothing to do with being nice. Some of us will not submit to their hate and chaos..

 

[mic_crispy]

As mentioned, the Genesis vs M4 race story was just a story about a particular race - or whatever it was. In reality the Genesis is a midsize car that's actually just about fullsize. It's a BIG midsize car. So it doesn't really compete with cars like the 3-Series, C-Class and A4, etcetera. It should be getting matched up with cars it's own size - which would be the 5-Series, E-Class, A6, etcetera. Heavier cars...

I agree. I was actually really surprised to see the the Genesis (especially 2015+ with the 3+in extra wheelbase) classified as a midsize. Its easily a full size IMO. It has the same dimensions as a a6/a7/5 series/E class etc. And thats the target demographic as well.... no one is going to cross shop a 335 with a Genesis (based on size alone).

 

[DRS]

Hey ol'Shell, thanks for keeping up the logic and support..

 

[gennyzonewtflolbbq]

As for the reliability, my cousin worked for a major BMW dealership. Even he says they seem to spend more time in the shop than on the road. And to do ANY work on them, you need specialized tools.

ha wrong. You can actually do A LOT of work on a bmw with basic hand tools. regular and torx sockets and a screw driver goes a long way. The reason he thinks they are unreliable is because he was around broken ones all the time. No one comes into the service center and says the car is running fantastic thanks alot. this is a silly thread. thanks for the laughs today.

 

[DRS]

Seems the troll has brought his friends along.

According to JD powers, which the Trolls are using for info, they put the BMW 4 series in the Compact Premium Car segment and the Genesis in the Midsize Premium Car segment. big difference.

Trolls never operate alone when they play here like a urban "knock out game". 👍 predictable as you note.. Criminal thugs driving shiny leased cars tend to operate the same as if they were on a street corner.. Lurking around, looking at the other corner to pounce on for no reason except they think those who are over there are vulnerable.. Problem is, sometimes they get a verbal pasting back, and cannot handle it.. Fun to watch.. Will thug wannabe ever learn?

 

[Sal Collaziano]

As for piped in sound or audio auto tuned sound... The insulated Is emotional justification. As I said before, if these vaunted Porsche or BMW lessors or owners had heard about this from Oriental car makers 7 years ago, they would be trolling around then mocking others. They would say things like "if you had s good sounding motor and drivetrain, with a refined chassis that does not have annoying road/tire noise, you would not need this fake sounds". You KNOW the snoots would react this way.., but because it is in some German prestige car they pay or lease,mother will justify anything and call it good.. What nonsense.

The excuse about insulation being too good, is like a addicted alcoholic saying fine wine needs some Tequila added. But, it is a free choice. Just quit trying to say it is superior. It is not.. What is next, adding faux tire squealing or roaring tires like on a old James Bond movie chase scene? Or how about fake road noise because the cars are too well insulated. Or, how about fake feedback with electric motor driven power steering when going over bumpy road because the suspension is too insulated? Oops, they already do the fake feedback thing on the steering.. And the Koreans now have joined in... Looks like fake sounds in our cars are next.. Will end my purchasing Hyundai...

Just so long as any of this fakery is not run by the Lucas Electric of today.. Continental... That German company has caused fits with crappy reliability self drive or traffic alert tech.. Which is also installed in the Hyundai line. Oh, and when it is out of warranty, the cost to repair makes Lucas crap of old look low cost.

This piped-in sound - it's about selling cars. That's all. Some people are going to like it - some people are not. Really, they should just make it an option. Even the Lexus GS has it. Honestly, I don't want it - and I find that a turn-off about a Lexus that's supposed to be very quiet inside. And it's not an option. If I want a GS, I'd have to deal with it.

Apparently, people like it. Some department at Lexus surely researched and debated about this sound addition for a long time if it's been implemented. And as mentioned it's about selling cars. So if this is what their research has told them will sell cars then I guess those of us who don't like it will either have to deal with it or buy something else.

And again - I do realize this sound only comes in when you're really getting on the gas. So it's not like you or I would have to deal with it on a daily basis or whatever. And on those rare occasions (rare for most people) when you do have the pedal to the metal - you/me/we might actually even appreciate it. I don't know.

I agree. I was actually really surprised to see the the Genesis (especially 2015+ with the 3+in extra wheelbase) classified as a midsize. Its easily a full size IMO. It has the same dimensions as a a6/a7/5 series/E class etc. And thats the target demographic as well.... no one is going to cross shop a 335 with a Genesis (based on size alone).

Yeah, two completely different cars. We're only talking about it because DRS had a race with one - or what appeared to be one. When I first saw the post I was skeptical but I realized that anything could happen. It's not really important to me whether it happened or not - whether it was a "fake" M4 or not - whatever. There's no part of my brain that believes a legitimate race between a V8 Genesis and an M4 would be anywhere near equal no matter what speed the race started at.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

More Trolls joining the club I see.

mic_crispy, seems like you get it now.

 

[DRS]

Guys. Some of you are signing on and running through the same exact points that your friends stated yesterday. You're late to the party. Nobody here believes the Genesis is as fast as an M4.

With all due respect... You trying the triangulation "peacemaker" approach with your multiple comments, kinda has you show up as a submissive... If this were the Tesla forum, or other places, the BMW and Mercedes trolls would be banned by now. I appreciate your reluctance to do this... However, being a submissive is not the place to be in that crowd.

 

[DRS]

more trolls joining the club i see.

Mic_crispy, seems like you get it now.

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