What have you Raced?

[Sal Collaziano]

Take it to PMs, guys. Nobody out here wants to see this pissing contest anymore.

 

[DRS]

Since you put it this way yes you are beneath me and I only say it cause your intelligent level must be low since a trust fund baby would buy a much more expensive car than an M3 or M5. Now go tell your boy friend how badly you beat an M3 I mean 328 on the highway lol. Now don't got breaking your computer or Hyundai being all pissed and all 😜 your too easy to pick on.

Correct. I should have said "small trust fund baby". Now get back to your wheezing German metal.. actually I thought you were the easy one to pick on.. Especially obvious since that post in your forum dedicated to this post was flushed out.

 

[MK 19]

I can easily see how DRS could have beat that M4 in a street race, no matter what the stats have to say about it. No matter the power a car has the one intangible is the nut behind the wheel, no other place is that more noticeable then in a street race. Was the M4 driver in the wrong gear? Did he forget to set his car into the proper mode? Was he not as committed to the race? With out hearing from the other driver we really do not know, but what we do know is that DRS has no reason to lie about beating a M4, what happened to the other car who knows, but we do know that DRS was committed and won.

I have seen this happen many times, once in a series of races I beat a 2000 Camaro SS (320 HP) with my old daily driver '88 Camaro with a 190 hp TBI 305. Impossible right? Not at all, the guy in the SS really sucked at launching his car, he never hit a good light and he had tire spin through half the track, he was coming on very strong at the end of the 1/8th and would have killed me on a full 1/4 mile, but he could never beat me on the 1/8th due to driver error.

On the same track I also raced a Super Comp Dragster, in fact I held the track record for both time and speed that was never beaten by the time the track was shut down (4.92 @ 131). One day a buddy of mine brought out his Nostalgia Top Fuel Funny Car and there was some talk about how the track record was going to fall. But at the end of the day my record still stood, now that is totally impossible right? His Funny Car would not hook and on his 3 passes he basically did nice smoky burnouts for a full 1/8th mile.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Any car can beat any car at any given time. I know. In my opinion there are only two possibilities here:

1. The car was a 435i made to look like an M4. It is certainly not out of the realm of possibility here.

2. The driver sucked.

These are the only two potential scenarios in my opinion. In both cases, an M4 didn't lose. In #2, the driver lost.

These are my feelings and opinions and they cannot be changed. I'm sure others feel the same way but at this point it's really not worth discussing any further. It makes much more sense to agree to disagree...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khUCcIri0rY

I can easily see how DRS could have beat that M4 in a street race, no matter what the stats have to say about it. No matter the power a car has the one intangible is the nut behind the wheel, no other place is that more noticeable then in a street race. Was the M4 driver in the wrong gear? Did he forget to set his car into the proper mode? Was he not as committed to the race? With out hearing from the other driver we really do not know, but what we do know is that DRS has no reason to lie about beating a M4, what happened to the other car who knows, but we do know that DRS was committed and won.

I have seen this happen many times, once in a series of races I beat a 2000 Camaro SS (320 HP) with my old daily driver '88 Camaro with a 190 hp TBI 305. Impossible right? Not at all, the guy in the SS really sucked at launching his car, he never hit a good light and he had tire spin through half the track, he was coming on very strong at the end of the 1/8th and would have killed me on a full 1/4 mile, but he could never beat me on the 1/8th due to driver error.

On the same track I also raced a Super Comp Dragster, in fact I held the track record for both time and speed that was never beaten by the time the track was shut down (4.92 @ 131). One day a buddy of mine brought out his Nostalgia Top Fuel Funny Car and there was some talk about how the track record was going to fall. But at the end of the day my record still stood, now that is totally impossible right? His Funny Car would not hook and on his 3 passes he basically did nice smoky burnouts for a full 1/8th mile.

 

[DRS]

👆👍 thanks for the support.. Before the trolls came in, caused by someone (sound of me coughing like John Belushi at Dean Wormer in Animal House) who has ID here, (and different one over at the BMW forum) placing a post about my comment, all was quiet.. All I stated is what happened.. As I mentioned multiple time, I was shocked. I know this would not be repeatable. Yet because of his UPS/milk truck on steroids sound, wailing, he was not idling along. I have to thank a "spy", great guy, who connected the dots back to the BMW forum post. The "harmless" sounding question over there, goaded trolls to rise up, load up and start their urban drive by word shooting over here..

All good... If they were not so drive by word guns blazing, all parties could joke about it, if they were so interested, and I would wholly acknowledge their superior speed.... like your personal history above... Also, your reference about the top fuel not doing to well... There are rumors of a SRT Hellcat losing to different cars on the road that no way it should.. Something about breaking traction breaking down at all speeds up to 100mph. Stability control kicking in, tires smoking, while the others beat him/her by a nose. It saw a drag race park video of a Hellcat overheating his tires, and losing to someone he should not have. As you said, things happen. In my experience, who knows. I was not in the other car.

I still am guessing he may have also been down on power. I was outside the car finishing up filling the tank. I thought I heard him coming up the street before the turn, from stop light to stop light, doing full throttle launches. It was at a time not much traffic. I do not think he was racing anyone but himself coming off the line each time. That is why I mentioned the the "heat soak".. each time he waited at the lights, and especially for the long left turn signal, his under hood temps had to grow from the motor and glowing turbos, and also the water temp in the intercooler I suspect spiked. That can cause HP loss from several reasons (CPU adjustment to protect motor, hotter boosted air in the combustion chamber). Anyway, do not know this was a factor.. The M fans made fun of that suggestion like there has never been such a condition. Geez... Well ok.. It does exist as an issue with most turbos that can reduce power. Hell, the Vaunted Tesla P85D, over long stretches will reduce power because the batteries heat up. I have seen this with a biz associate who has one.. He was showing off while I was in the car.. Over extended runs from light to light, then bursts on the interstate, it got slower (not slow, still uber fast) as time went.. I showed him the battery temp.. It kicked in a save the battery power reduce mode until they cooled. He showed me a video a few days later with a P85D on the Autobahn doing multiple burst runs. And getting slower each time.. Your point, and I am agreeing, many factors could have caused the almost tie. As I mentioned in the threads, I only was ahead by a fender and pulling ever so slightly..

One more thing.. All their comments bring up a couple of lessons... 1.) "It is all about weight stupid". The vaunted sputtering milk truck on steroids I6 produces say 50 HP more (let's assume theirs is under rated, and ours has over rated public specs), and flat massive torque (ours is close, but not flat across the RPM band), their claims of 17 car length defeats they make may not be ludicrous. And the quarter mile published specs between first gen and their latest M4, they clearly lead and pulling away.. Why is this? Weight... The first gen Genny is between 400-500 lbs heavier... 2.) as mush as I hate to admit it, flat large turbo torque band also helps.. The second gen Ultimate is almost 1000lbs more than the M4. The M4 is not a dinky sized car.. It should weigh less as it is smaller..yet, BMW has figured out how to reduce weight, make it uber strong chassis, still have all the features, and the I6 with all the plumbing is no lightweight.. Hyundai should learn how to take 5-600 lbs out of the Genny. It will still be a larger luxury car than urban legends.. Get that... But would be nice to have the weight off.

 

[Carluver]

���� thanks for the support.. Before the trolls came in, caused by someone (sound of me coughing like John Belushi at Dean Wormer in Animal House) who has ID here, (and different one over at the BMW forum) placing a post about my comment, all was quiet.. All I stated is what happened.. As I mentioned multiple time, I was shocked. I know this would not be repeatable. Yet because of his UPS/milk truck on steroids sound, wailing, he was not idling along. I have to thank a "spy", great guy, who connected the dots back to the BMW forum post. The "harmless" sounding question over there, goaded trolls to rise up, load up and start their urban drive by word shooting over here..

All good... If they were not so drive by word guns blazing, all parties could joke about it, if they were so interested, and I would wholly acknowledge their superior speed.... like your personal history above... Also, your reference about the top fuel not doing to well... There are rumors of a SRT Hellcat losing to different cars on the road that no way it should.. Something about breaking traction breaking down at all speeds up to 100mph. Stability control kicking in, tires smoking, while the others beat him/her by a nose. It saw a drag race park video of a Hellcat overheating his tires, and losing to someone he should not have. As you said, things happen. In my experience, who knows. I was not in the other car.

I still am guessing he may have also been down on power. I was outside the car finishing up filling the tank. I thought I heard him coming up the street before the turn, from stop light to stop light, doing full throttle launches. It was at a time not much traffic. I do not think he was racing anyone but himself coming off the line each time. That is why I mentioned the the "heat soak".. each time he waited at the lights, and especially for the long left turn signal, his under hood temps had to grow from the motor and glowing turbos, and also the water temp in the intercooler I suspect spiked. That can cause HP loss from several reasons (CPU adjustment to protect motor, hotter boosted air in the combustion chamber). Anyway, do not know this was a factor.. The M fans made fun of that suggestion like there has never been such a condition. Geez... Well ok.. It does exist as an issue with most turbos that can reduce power. Hell, the Vaunted Tesla P85D, over long stretches will reduce power because the batteries heat up. I have seen this with a biz associate who has one.. He was showing off while I was in the car.. Over extended runs from light to light, then bursts on the interstate, it got slower (not slow, still uber fast) as time went.. I showed him the battery temp.. It kicked in a save the battery power reduce mode until they cooled. He showed me a video a few days later with a P85D on the Autobahn doing multiple burst runs. And getting slower each time.. Your point, and I am agreeing, many factors could have caused the almost tie. As I mentioned in the threads, I only was ahead by a fender and pulling ever so slightly..

One more thing.. All their comments bring up a couple of lessons... 1.) "It is all about weight stupid". The vaunted sputtering milk truck on steroids I6 produces say 50 HP more (let's assume theirs is under rated, and ours has over rated public specs), and flat massive torque (ours is close, but not flat across the RPM band), their claims of 17 car length defeats they make may not be ludicrous. And the quarter mile published specs between first gen and their latest M4, they clearly lead and pulling away.. Why is this? Weight... The first gen Genny is between 400-500 lbs heavier... 2.) as mush as I hate to admit it, flat large turbo torque band also helps.. The second gen Ultimate is almost 1000lbs more than the M4. The M4 is not a dinky sized car.. It should weigh less as it is smaller..yet, BMW has figured out how to reduce weight, make it uber strong chassis, still have all the features, and the I6 with all the plumbing is no lightweight.. Hyundai should learn how to take 5-600 lbs out of the Genny. It will still be a larger luxury car than urban legends.. Get that... But would be nice to have the weight off.

Look, I'm loathe to do this and have never registered to a forum for a car I don't own. I figured I would try to clear some things up and maybe offer a bit of an olive branch.

You keep bringing up heat soak. We have a ton of members that have done actual racing (not street racing, which I personally hate because it is dangerous and proves nothing). We all know what heat soak is. The previous gen M3 suffered from this and that was an N/A V8 as you know. BMW recognized this and took serious steps to prevent that from happening on these cars. Many of us have tracked these cars (including me) and we can tell you from experience that BMW got it right this time. It rarely happens and it definitely isn't going to happen just doing some stoplight pulls. You can believe me if you want, but it isn't helping your cause when you keep repeating false info.

Second, lets all dial it a back a bit as we are all car guys/gals and this is supposed to be fun. Just because an M 3/4 can beat a Genesis doesn't mean it is a bad car. Hell our beloved M 3/4s are getting smoked by the new MB C63 & C 63S. That thing has a monster sweet TT V8. Doesn't mean the M3/4 is a bad car or that I personally like my car any less. I love all different kinds of cars and respect what different brands can and have done. Hell, you guys stole Herr Biermann from BMW so it will be very interesting to see what he comes up with in the new N line of performance cars. I'm excited to see what they can do and love competition as it pushes all brands to make better cars.

Lets all enjoy what we have, calm down a bit and enjoy some good natured ribbing that car guys/gals like to do.

If you are curious about a crappy car, just youtube the drag race between an RCF and the M4. Then we can all band together and pick on Lexus for making a huge bloated supposed performance coupe. I kid I kid.

 

[Carluver]

I can easily see how DRS could have beat that M4 in a street race, no matter what the stats have to say about it. No matter the power a car has the one intangible is the nut behind the wheel, no other place is that more noticeable then in a street race. Was the M4 driver in the wrong gear? Did he forget to set his car into the proper mode? Was he not as committed to the race? With out hearing from the other driver we really do not know, but what we do know is that DRS has no reason to lie about beating a M4, what happened to the other car who knows, but we do know that DRS was committed and won.

I have seen this happen many times, once in a series of races I beat a 2000 Camaro SS (320 HP) with my old daily driver '88 Camaro with a 190 hp TBI 305. Impossible right? Not at all, the guy in the SS really sucked at launching his car, he never hit a good light and he had tire spin through half the track, he was coming on very strong at the end of the 1/8th and would have killed me on a full 1/4 mile, but he could never beat me on the 1/8th due to driver error.

On the same track I also raced a Super Comp Dragster, in fact I held the track record for both time and speed that was never beaten by the time the track was shut down (4.92 @ 131). One day a buddy of mine brought out his Nostalgia Top Fuel Funny Car and there was some talk about how the track record was going to fall. But at the end of the day my record still stood, now that is totally impossible right? His Funny Car would not hook and on his 3 passes he basically did nice smoky burnouts for a full 1/8th mile.

Posts like these are what gets people riled up. I personally hate street racing because it is a dangerous and stupid thing to do. I have to completely disagree with you that street racing is where the talent of a driver shines. Usually it is two knuckle draggers with egos that just stomp on the gas and try not to crash. No real talent needed here at all.

You guys should listen to your mod more as he or she? seems to have a very level head on his/her shoulders and know what they are talking about. I have people weekly try to race me in my M3 and I just let them go for various reasons. Mostly because I'm not 20 anymore and have grown up. I really have nothing to prove to anybody.
Just because you think somebody is racing really doesn't mean they are. Plus, if you catch a person off guard in the wrong setup or gear, what the hell does that prove. That you were ready for a meaningless ego contest and they weren't. :roll eyes: This proves exactly what?

 

[DRS]

Look, I'm loathe to do this and have never registered to a forum for a car I don't own. I figured I would try to clear some things up and maybe offer a bit of an olive branch.

You keep bringing up heat soak. We have a ton of members that have done actual racing (not street racing, which I personally hate because it is dangerous and proves nothing). We all know what heat soak is. The previous gen M3 suffered from this and that was an N/A V8 as you know. BMW recognized this and took serious steps to prevent that from happening on these cars. Many of us have tracked these cars (including me) and we can tell you from experience that BMW got it right this time. It rarely happens and it definitely isn't going to happen just doing some stoplight pulls. You can believe me if you want, but it isn't helping your cause when you keep repeating false info.

Second, lets all dial it a back a bit as we are all car guys/gals and this is supposed to be fun. Just because an M 3/4 can beat a Genesis doesn't mean it is a bad car. Hell our beloved M 3/4s are getting smoked by the new MB C63 & C 63S. That thing has a monster sweet TT V8. Doesn't mean the M3/4 is a bad car or that I personally like my car any less. I love all different kinds of cars and respect what different brands can and have done. Hell, you guys stole Herr Biermann from BMW so it will be very interesting to see what he comes up with in the new N line of performance cars. I'm excited to see what they can do and love competition as it pushes all brands to make better cars.

Lets all enjoy what we have, calm down a bit and enjoy some good natured ribbing that car guys/gals like to do.

If you are curious about a crappy car, just youtube the drag race between an RCF and the M4. Then we can all band together and pick on Lexus for making a huge bloated supposed performance coupe. I kid I kid.

Based on the last wTwo posts, the drive by folks are back. Ok.. This time, only showing their guns, and seem like wanted to talk, even though they do not get the points. Glad to see that.. Progress. Just joking... And making a point too..

First, I did not stipulate the heat soak as fact.. I was explaining how heat soak can happen, and guessing that MIGHT explain my particular outcome with the dual exhaust wide tires BMW that had a M badge.. From what is said above by people who should know more, that is scratched off the list of possible reasons.. Glad BMW got the heat soak figured out. Not too many NA motors are prone to this.. I did not know the V8 M had that problem.. And can understand a sensitivity to me or anyone else, suggesting (not saying rule of law) this was part of the cause of the outcome..

Heck, I have no idea why the outcome happened, can only guess.. It did happen.. And I was shocked (as I have mentioned many times now).. The false pile on and rumors over in the BMW forum ran amok. Then the attacks here took on a sillyness.. So much so that the mod pulled many drive by posts. I had fun with some serious words back they deserved it. Did not seem like any of the drive by wanted to listen how they were showing up..

Look, if you BMW people who seem to have a superior attitude verses Hyundai, or other brands, would back down a bit, come on over here and ask questions. Do not mock and make fun of most comment on this post as your gang did in your forum.. Unless there is some insecurity, no reason to act as you guys did over there.. Then brought it back over here in this post. I was not going to stand by.. I took you all on in your flame war.. And do not regret it. Beside the comical images I brought forth about your i6 and you folks in general, over here, were deserved... We were not in attack mode. We did not do a counter drive by attack in your forum. No one made up fake "BMW is rip off crap" "BMW are Nazis", names like a couple whacko nick names that came in here. We did not enter your zone at all.. Well except for the Benedict Arnold in this forum who went over to your "side" and with a smile stirred up a posse..

Feel free to come on over and chat..do not mock us.. When you do, you betray the image of small trust fund babies, where you all keep using phallic symbols in comments, and overall chase away business for BMW..

If you would have asked, I would have done my best to give whatever detail you were looking for in "the event". And if you guys were listening, you would have heard I was not bragging, but was surprised it happened the way it did.. That I have no visions of grandeur, no misconceptions of our cars limits. "A man has to know his limitations".

I have had my experiences with this kind of thing for a long time.. I own some legends of speed of their time.. The SD455 will get a challenge all the time.. From many who know better, but are smiling and want to get a glimpse of it running. Not to brag, but to say they saw it... My buddy P85D gets the same results everyday.. Most folks know they will be beat, but want to try anyway to see it run.. The Genny is what it is.., nothing more, nothing less. I think we are in the same page here (based on your comment)..

I attached the link to the BMW forum war staging post here (some time ago). Someone who was sick of the chaos sent me the link. That comment with the link may have been pulled by mod here. Do not know.. Anyway, have not been back to your pages.

If you want to use a Lexus for a method of triangulation where we can all shake hands and have fun with a common foe,, I am good with that. I get the "just kidding". And appreciate the humor. However, not interested in acting like some of your cadre did in the past 24 hours.

Thanks for the post..

 

[DRS]

Oh, and "real racing" as you do, heat soak I am talking about (little or no air movement to sweep away heat) is different.. When you are at dangerous track day (dangerous to you and others... Which I do not have a problem with wild M3 driving by slower Miatas.. Cooking food is dangerous), you will have air flow. And those heat extraction features will work. Again, you are the expert, heat soak is off the table.

As you can see, I take issue with your blanket statements on "street racing".

 

[Carluver]

Oh, and "real racing" as you do, heat soak I am talking about (little or no air movement to sweep away heat) is different.. When you are at dangerous track day (dangerous to you and others... Which I do not have a problem with wild M3 driving by slower Miatas.. Cooking food is dangerous), you will have air flow. And those heat extraction features will work. Again, you are the expert, heat soak is off the table.

As you can see, I take issue with your blanket statements on "street racing".

I'm not sure I would call myself an end all be all " expert." I'm just going off of my knowledge and experience with this particular car. Could it happen? Sure, it just hasn't come up ever. And trust me, if it did, people like nothing more to bitch about every little thing in our forum about the car. In fact, it has so many radiators, oil coolers/Intercoolers etc, they are in vulnerable positions on the car. A few have hit road hazards that have taken out the lower oil cooler, which in turn took out the engine. People have shown that after 90 plus degree track events that the inter cooler is still ice cold to the touch.

As for superiority complexs and name calling, it happens across all brands. You yourself started the name calling if I remember correctly by calling the I6 TT a wheezing UPS truck engine I believe. It's your opinion, which is fine, but you shouldn't be surprised when some people take umbrage to the comments. I'm pretty good at staying out of the name calling game and usually get what I give in return. You also missed where some admitted they would pick a Genesis over a 5 series. So you might want look at yourself about blanket statements/name calling etc.

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[DRS]

"As for superiority complexs and name calling, it happens across all brands. You yourself started the name calling if I remember correctly by calling the I6 TT a wheezing UPS truck engine I believe. It's your opinion, which is fine, but you shouldn't be surprised when some people take umbrage to the comments. I'm pretty good at staying out of the name calling game and usually get what I give in return.."

Yes, I have said that multiple times, by design to as you say "what I give in return"... you have yet to acknowledge that the BMW entourage came in here and attacked based on rumor and innuendo. Period... If I used the wheezing sputtering truck example first, sorry... I also hammer that General image across for those in here that have a fixation, on TT V6 Hyundai announced, as the cure all. It is funny image, and deserved to those who came and attacked... And matches the sounds of many videos floating around.. I think someone who owns a M acknowledged that not totally happy with the sound in a comment here I read. But hey, Viper guys get over it... And they can with how fast they are. Guess M drivers feel the same way, if they do not enjoy the sound as much as MV8.

I totally get the picking on something that is obviously bad and should have been caught before production.. Especially for higher dollar autos. Would be righ there with those things. You are certainly a expert to me.. I am, sure others may know more, but you know enough. Sorry about the person that lunched the motor with a cooler puncture.. That would be the pits.. I wonder if a top tier insurance corny would allow a claim for that associated to road debris?.. Like a truck retread flying into him, or some kind of object caused damage..

 

[zielritter]

Well this thread became a shit storm awfully quickly. DRS, I've tried to play nice ever since we had our initial spats, but your words and silly name calling just seem to bring out the ire of people.

Urban e-thug trolls?
Crush them like the Soviet Union?

Playing the class warfare card even though no one at all mentioned anything to that effect? That makes you sound like the one who's a bit insecure.

Wtf, man? It's a bit embarrassing. You need to just calm down a bit when people disagree with you and ease off on your Don King word-smithing approach to insults. You're like the laughing stock of that 8-page thread over on the BMW forum. It reflects badly on this community, imo.

 

[DRS]

Well this thread became a shit storm awfully quickly. DRS, I've tried to play nice ever since we had our initial spats, but your words and silly name calling just seem to bring out the ire of people.

Urban e-thug trolls?
Crush them like the Soviet Union?

Playing the class warfare card even though no one at all mentioned anything to that effect? That makes you sound like the one who's a bit insecure.

Wtf, man? It's a bit embarrassing. You need to just calm down a bit when people disagree with you and ease off on your Don King word-smithing approach to insults. You're like the laughing stock of that 8-page thread over on the BMW forum. It reflects badly on this community, imo.

Blah blah blah... Just shut up.. You done pillow pounding and whining? They all came in here, after making up crap in the gangs own mind in that 8 page waste of time over at the BMW land of oz... You played nice? Sure you did.. Not..
Carluver above👆 seems to be making conversation and seeking to settle this down.. Junk yard dog here has eaten too much gun powder again today. The salt peter makes him angry and limp.. Please settle down... Thank you..

Do not blame me.. Someone else went over from this space and made a post that incited that 8 page riot.. Wake up.

 

[dareckibmw]

Blah blah blah... Just shut up.. You done pillow pounding and whining? They all came in here, after making up crap in the gangs own mind in that 8 page waste of time over at the BMW land of oz... You played nice? Sure you did.. Not..
Carluver above👆 seems to be making conversation and seeking to settle this down.. Junk yard dog here has eaten too much gun powder again today. The salt peter makes him angry and limp.. Please settle down... Thank you..

Do not blame me.. Someone else went over from this space and made a post that incited that 8 page riot.. Wake up.

It won't stop at 8 pages, trust me they're all butthurt ...typical for bimmer owners, especially ///M's. I've been watching that for over 12 years, nothing new to me

 

[DRS]

It won't stop at 8 pages, trust me they're all butthurt ...typical for bimmer owners, especially ///M's. I've been watching that for over 12 years, nothing new to me

Get that.. This last attack comment was from some conformist in our own ranks.. Like Obama apologist speeches around the world apologizing for our evil. And attacking us within.. Figures...

Carluver and others, are making effort to wind this up and be friends? Yet "Big Z" within our ranks wants to pour gas on the embers again.. So it goes..

12 years of consistency. Well now "big Z", you still want to trash talk your own, run around the world and apologize for my or others behavior in defense of lunacy? Think you might be in the wrong camp.

 

[dareckibmw]

Get that.. This last attack comment was from some conformist in our own ranks.. Like Obama apologist speeches around the world apologizing for our evil. And attacking us within.. Figures...

Carluver and others, are making effort to wind this up and be friends? Yet "Big Z" within our ranks wants to pour gas on the embers again.. So it goes..

12 years of consistency. Well now "big Z", you still want to trash talk your own, run around the world and apologize for my or others behavior in defense of lunacy? Think you might be in the wrong camp.

"We" were different back than, more like cars enthusiast oriented instead of motormouth kids now a days that "they know everything better" .... shame on them.

ps.
Love your sense of humor

 

[zielritter]

Get that.. This last attack comment was from some conformist in our own ranks.. Like Obama apologist speeches around the world apologizing for our evil. And attacking us within.. Figures...

Carluver and others, are making effort to wind this up and be friends? Yet "Big Z" within our ranks wants to pour gas on the embers again.. So it goes..

12 years of consistency. Well now "big Z", you still want to trash talk your own, run around the world and apologize for my or others behavior in defense of lunacy? Think you might be in the wrong camp.

Man, you're just out there big time with your warped perspective. "Big Z" over here attacking within like the Obama apologist he is (for the record, I've never said anything to imply I'm even a liberal)? You just equated my disagreement with you to a policy of undermining American foreign policy. I'm curious, what is your profession in life?

Listen to my point DRS - It's not trash talking just because some disagrees with you. You immediately escalate to "he's a liberal, conformist, Obama-loving, environmental terrorist, yuppy" whenever someone says something you disagree with. Do you totally lack the introspection to see that? No one else on this forum approaches discussions like you do. You probably see that as a badge of honor though.

From a neutral, objective view you could've kept the discourse civil as soon as the conversation started with the first BMW guy. Instead you go with this gem:

"It is curious that Mercedes and BMW informed owner, hard core supporters, hang around the lowly Genesis forums. what is the point? To the nose in the air crowd, that would be like hanging with the Pontaic G8 crowd. Or the SRT folks.. I guess exclusivity has its draw. Dime a dozen leased to the hilt German vehicles, and know nothing about their cars except supposed prestige people, must be boring to have to hang around all the time."

That was the post that opened up the flood gates - nothing negative had been said to that point other than someone reasonably disagreeing with you about your "race". You, unprovoked, implied that A) This BMW owner looks down on Hyundai owners; B) He's stuck up; C) He can't afford to buy his car, so he leases it for pretentious reasons; D) He doesn't know anything about cars.

Highlights of DRS's work in this thread:
- Calling the Mod a "submissive" (literal lol) for trying to keep the conversation from spiraling to hell and landing us here.
- Quote: "I do not have a chip in my shoulder for German cars.. I am ethnically German." What does this even mean? He wasn't asking you if you hate the German people

I didn't even see the real stuff that was deleted too that was apparently much worse.

 

[dareckibmw]

It won't stop at 8 pages, trust me they're all butthurt ...typical for bimmer owners, especially ///M's. I've been watching that for over 12 years, nothing new to me

I quoted myself just to prove my point.

Pathetic

 

[F80 M3 Hyundai killer]

DSR you a truly a waste of air that we all breath. Politics and cars don't belong together and now all of this makes sense. I truly feel sorry for you after all the bs comments you have made. Plz step away from you moms pc and step out of your basement and go live life because your way too immature to even be driving.

Btw I truly believe your full of shit about everything you are and said in this thread. Proof is your posts.

 

[SakhirM4]

I quoted myself just to prove my point.

Pathetic

I'm sorry. I don't know what I either did or said that was pathetic. I also don't know why you felt it necessary to do a screenshot of my posting, when I kept you anonymous - just said another Genesis member.