What to buy besides Genesis V8

[jailer]

I can give one example, from my recent research. Was looking to buy a used BMW 3 series. Wanted one with immaculate service records. Looking at a few that did have thorough records was an eye opener. The water pumps, on the 6, seem to be good for between 40 and 60K miles. One older car I looked at had the water pump replaced three times. That was one specific thing that stuck out, but there was a myriad of other items that were fixed and replaced on their lists. When I did some more research, on different BMW forums, there were several people who posted the advice to never buy a BMW 6 cylinder, 3 series, with more than 100K on it, sans warranty, unless you were prepared buy $1000's of dollars of parts a year and do the service yourself. In contrast, our Toyota Avalon, with 110K miles on it, has not had one engine related failure.

There are a couple things wrong with this. The first one, is I would definitely not be comparing to Japanese reliability. This is just silly. Everyone knows who wins.
The second thing is I would never go off of one example, and if I did, I would see if the "myriad" of other items took place at a dealer, or private/trusted mechanic. Two VERY different stories.

 

[Socrates]

I hear you Socrates, and nice to actually hear from one of you guys. The thing about all these German makes though, would there maybe be a large bias in the direction of, say, slightly older VW, and any year Mercedes??




Again, which specific engine??

BMW's 3.5 liter engines are having rampant fuel pressure problems resulting in delayed start and sometimes stalling.

 

[Socrates]

BMW's 3.5 liter engines are having rampant fuel pressure problems resulting in delayed start and sometimes stalling.

Oops, learned that the 335i and 535i don't actually have a 3.5 liter engine. It's the engine in the 335 and 535 is what we're seeing with fuel pressure/pump problems.

 

[jailer]

Oops, learned that the 335i and 535i don't actually have a 3.5 liter engine. It's the engine in the 335 and 535 is what we're seeing with fuel pressure/pump problems.

Right, but I think you will find that they keep having problems because bmw keeps replacing with an identical unit under warranty... then a high probablility of it happening again.

I think there is a much better aftermarket that solves the problem, from what I remember.

Other than that..., any other chronic issues ??

 

[Sequence]

I own a 09 MINI Cooper S with direct injection, and the problem you are referring to are the high pressure fuel pumps in BMWs with direct injection, like the 135 and 335. 135s have been hit REAL bad with this problem. Although mine is an 09 and Ive not had problems with its hpfp, I did get a letter from MINI USA stating my warranty on that item was extended 10 years/120,000 miles.

Typical BMW: relying on contractors in 3rd world countries with shaky BQ and QC protocols, all to save a DM in production costs. Quite frankly, I dont see a German car in my near future.

DI cars (VW, Audi also) also have issues with coking on the intake valves. So let's hope that Hyundai is NOT going this route.

(BTW that MINI of mine better behave, or it's getting traded in for a Genny 3.8 Coupe)

 

[Sequence]

Again, which specific engine??

Uh, the turbo 1.6L Prince motor used in the 07-on MCS has serious issues with timing apparatus, chains, tensioners, etc, and now engines reaching only about 30K are suffering carbon buildup and coking issues on the intake valves; poor PVC venting design, along with direct injection issues common to all BMWs with DI, is to blame here. Safe to say, no more PSA/BMW joint engine ventures.

But the IL^ used in the 135i and other cars is still a rock-solid mill. It's just everything that surrounds that mill is crapola. F the Germans. Im sick of their "technology."

 

[TJPark01]

Road & Track is doing a long term test of the 4.6. This long entry kinda sums it up for me:

The Genesis has become one of my favorite cars in the fleet for day-to-day driving. Hyundai has done a terrific job making this car work so well on many levels. It is not the fanciest car in this class, nor the most sophisticated, nor the most image-conscious—but it does everything expected of it in a way that makes you respect the solid straightforward engineering and design of the car.
—Richard M. Baron, Design Director

Article Here:

 

[jailer]

F the Germans. Im sick of their "technology."

I hear you. I love how they drive, but there are some moves they have made that are really questionable. The Nikasil lined cylinders of the V8 in the 5 series.... I don't think it proved any significant performance or fuel economy, and people are ending up with ruined engines at low mileage because the cylinders "etched" so easily and cannot be replaced

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The "No-Reverse" situation (more ZF's fault) have been around for a LONG time and getting worse in the Zf5hp19.

http://noreverse.org/complaints.html

ALSO .. a MAJOR subframe separation issue with the E46. WTF ???

 

[jailer]

NO REVERSE DOT ORG..... ZF/BMW major issue. This is just a fraction of the people who actually found a website and voiced themselves.

http://noreverse.org/complaints.html

 

[jailer]

BMW 7 year span model with a re-curring Sub-Frame separation issue. How can this continue over a 7 year period ??

http://www.google.com/search?aq=1&oq=e46+subframe&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=e46+subframe+class+action

http://www.e46subframeclassactionsettlement.com/

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[jailer]

Uh Oh..... One more just popped up....

http://www.bimmerfest.com/news/489840/kershaw,-cutter-

 

[Socrates]

Right, but I think you will find that they keep having problems because bmw keeps replacing with an identical unit under warranty... then a high probablility of it happening again.

I think there is a much better aftermarket that solves the problem, from what I remember.

Other than that..., any other chronic issues ??

No that's it as far as rampant issues. Now that I research the possible purchase of a BMW 5 Series, I realize that I'm not breaking any news here. The fuel pump issues have been covered in pretty extensive detail on the BMW forums. Every once in a while we just get hit with huge waves of vehicles that share a common problem. The BMW fuel pressure is the last big wave we've seen.

 

[robthoke]

I've had an E500, Acura RL, Volvo v70 T6, and 2 Audi A6 4.2 in the past 10 years. I've tested BMW 5 series and Jag S Series. I was looking at the new SHO when I bought my Genesis and I have not regretted that decision. If I were to buy another car to replace my Genesis, it would be another Genesis. I'm curious to see one with the 5.0L and 8 speed.

 

[Frogg]

Infiniti M and Cadillac STS were my top competitors for the Genesis. The Infiniti just didn't do anything for me on the test drive and I absolutely loved the STS, but cockpit was too narrow (long legs).

 

[G'elegance]

This 2014 Corvette Stingray could pull me. I love the 2014 Genesis based on the concept and spy photos but I like how the vette has a ferrari look and feel now. I have a while before I can buy again though so who knows!

 

[SmoovC]

I think you guys know where I stand on this.