Whats the G70 pricing already !!

[Bamm1]

The G80 Sport isn't the top trim level. There is the G80 5.0 Ultimate HTRAC (Sorry if the HTRAC is included with the Ultimate package, I'm not that educated on the 5.0 line). )

I never stated the G80 Sport was the "top" model for the G80. I said I expected that the Sport would be the top trim level for the G70.

So if they made it similar to the G80, there would be a higher engine option or more options available.

They can break out the packages/trims just like the G80 in regards to how they are contented but with different engines. I used the G80 Sport because the G80 5.0 Ultimate is actually lacking options that the G80 Sport has. This includes the CDC suspension, dark chrome trim, sport seats, sport pedals, sport steering wheel, 1 pound lighter wheels, etc. The 2k premium for the 5.0 Ultimate just gains you a V8 and LED foglights but loses all the Sport exterior/interior trim items and the adjustable suspension. So there won’t be anything like the G80 5.0 in the G70 lineup (which is why I never mentioned it). The 2.0T models will follow a similar pattern to the 3.8 G80 models and the 3.3T equipped models will top out with a G80 Sport-like trim.

I think the Sport will have some packages available for it in addition to the HTRAC. )

I'd like to see the G70 3.3 be well equipped in "base" form so that there aren't many packages to be had when buying one. )

There will be lower trim models equipped with the 3.3T engine. But they won’t be called Sport. Something like a 3.3T Premium. Once you tick the Sport and HTRAC boxes there will likely be no more options to be had. Similar to what they did in Canada (excluding the AWD standard part):

https://acquisition.genesis.com/preorder/189769/trim/

However, if $50k is the "base" starting point for the 3.3, there will have to be some options/packages available. Again, there is NO way this car will top out under Stinger prices. ($52k)

The 50k number CR listed is for the top model. No more options or packages. Now, the G70 Sport may come in at more than 50K (I agree that it would seem they have to price it higher than the Stinger) but it won’t be because there are more options to be added. It will be because Genesis/Hyundai priced it higher.

 

[BlancaGenny]

The 50k number CR listed is for the top model. No more options or packages. Now, the G70 Sport may come in at more than 50K (I agree that it would seem they have to price it higher than the Stinger) but it won’t be because there are more options to be added. It will be because Genesis/Hyundai priced it higher.

What I gathered from the CR is that it's the base range of $35-$50k. Base meaning what ever they decide to add to it is not included. For instance, the G70 Sport. The Sport would be a trim level, not a package. What it seems that CR is saying is that the top trim level, which could be the Sport will end up as $50k. I understand the packages and what comes with the car is mostly standard. What I'm having a hard time with is them pricing it under the less luxurious Stinger counterpart.

The whole drive behind Genesis is to have an established luxury brand within HMC. What does pricing tell you if it is cheaper than the Stinger which is not classified as a luxury car? AWD (HTRAC) will surely be an option. I know KIA does a Drive Wise Package but I don't know what that costs. HTRAC and that "package", if that isn't standard, would probably command a 3-$4k difference putting it at or near $54k which makes sense. They just need to get the pricing right and it doesn't seem like it is working out in the Company's favor. I think one will gain more sales and one will plummet if it isn't priced accordingly.

 

[Bamm1]

What I gathered from the CR is that it's the base range of $35-$50k. Base meaning what ever they decide to add to it is not included. For instance, the G70 Sport. The Sport would be a trim level, not a package. What it seems that CR is saying is that the top trim level, which could be the Sport will end up as $50k. I understand the packages and what comes with the car is mostly standard. What I'm having a hard time with is them pricing it under the less luxurious Stinger counterpart.

That is not correct. If you look at the pricing for the other Genesis models (G80 & G90) in CR the price range consists of the base model (first number) and then the top model with every option (second number). The only things excluded are destination and accessories. Why would they switch to just reporting the lowest optioned 3.3T model for the top price of the G70? The numbers may end up not being accurate but the second number in CR’s range is always going to be the max price for a model with every available option.

In the US Genesis calls ultimate, sport, etc. “packages”. In Canada they have a slightly different naming convention and they refer to them as “trims”. So I am using the Genesis USA terminology.

The whole drive behind Genesis is to have an established luxury brand within HMC. What does pricing tell you if it is cheaper than the Stinger which is not classified as a luxury car?

It tells me Kia lost their d*mn minds when they priced the Stinger in the US. The top trim model (GT2 AWD) costs 30% less in Canada than it does in the US and it includes 4 more options.

AWD (HTRAC) will surely be an option. I know KIA does a Drive Wise Package but I don't know what that costs. HTRAC and that "package", if that isn't standard, would probably command a 3-$4k difference putting it at or near $54k which makes sense. They just need to get the pricing right and it doesn't seem like it is working out in the Company's favor. I think one will gain more sales and one will plummet if it isn't priced accordingly.

The “top” G70 will likely be optioned just like the “top” Stinger. Drivewise is standard on the GT2 Stinger. The only option on the GT2 is a single package that bundles AWD with rain-sensing wipers.

The top G70 should (maybe even must) have all of the Stinger GT2 options plus the 4 that are missing (the ones added back in for the Atlantica limited edition model). As a result, the pricing will have to be compared to the Atlantica special edition and not the regular GT2 trim model. The G70 may well come in under that model. Kia may feel the larger size, hatch, etc. warrants the price premium over the G70 if this lower pricing does come to fruition.

 

[BlancaGenny]

That is not correct. If you look at the pricing for the other Genesis models (G80 & G90) in CR the price range consists of the base model (first number) and then the top model with every option (second number). The only things excluded are destination and accessories. Why would they switch to just reporting the lowest optioned 3.3T model for the top price of the G70? The numbers may end up not being accurate but the second number in CR’s range is always going to be the max price for a model with every available option.

I rarely get on CR so I'm not going to say I'm right and you're wrong. I was reading what the post said above about base range so that may have been worded wrong by the poster.

In the US Genesis calls ultimate, sport, etc. “packages”. In Canada they have a slightly different naming convention and they refer to them as “trims”. So I am using the Genesis USA terminology.

With the Hyundai Genesis, Signature, Technology, and Ultimate were packages. For Genesis, the Sport is not a package, it's a trim. Premium and Ultimate (which you stated) are listed as "packages " on the G80 builder webiste for the 3.8 (https://www.genesis.com/us/en/build-your-genesis-select.html?sz=g80&yr=2018). For the 5.0, according to the webiste, Ultimate is a trim level. It has Ultimate listed under "packages" but there is no way to excluded it from a 5.0. Same goes for the 3.3TT (Sport). They have it listed in the package section but, again, there is no way to exclude it from the car. It really throws me for a loop because they have the G90, G80, and G80 Sport listed on the home screen like the Sport is another car in the lineup.

With the G90, I'm seeing that there are two trims; the Premium and Ultimate. Premium cannot be had on the 5.0 and Ultimate cannot be had on the 3.3. They have Ultimate and Premium listed under packages but that is very misleading since it can't be excluded on their respective trim level.

Kia may feel the larger size, hatch, etc. warrants the price premium over the G70 if this lower pricing does come to fruition.

Time will tell but I think one car is going to suffer and I can't pinpoint which one it is until pricing is confirmed for the U.S.

 

[GenesisYEG]

Trim levels for Canada (all are AWD unless otherwise noted):

2.0T Advanced
2.0T Sport RWD manual
2.0T Elite
2.0T Prestige
3.3T Dynamic
3.3T Sport

 

[Mark_888]

Time will tell but I think one car is going to suffer and I can't pinpoint which one it is until pricing is confirmed for the U.S.

Although at one time Hyundai owned 51% of Kia, they now only own 33%, so they operate as separate companies. However, Hyundai and Kia do have extensive sharing agreements for technology and parts manufacturing, which is why they often have very similar models that compete against each other.

 

[BlancaGenny]

Although at one time Hyundai owned 51% of Kia, they now only own 33%, so they operate as separate companies. However, Hyundai and Kia do have extensive sharing agreements for technology and parts manufacturing, which is why they often have very similar models that compete against each other.

I only say one with suffer because of the cross shopping that may go on. People who like the Stinger but won’t buy it because of the KIA badge will likely look at the G70.

 

[GenesisYEG]

Pricing for Canada coming by the end of the month. Hold your horses -- the end of the wait is coming soon.

 

[larrymg1]

There is only one Hyundai dealership in Rapid. Closest other one may be in Cheyenne, WY or Sioux Falls. I traveled to Minneapolis to buy my Genesis. I'm sure Hyundai and Genesis will have a service agreement on how long they will service the Genesis brand. They may even keep the service entirely along with having the Genesis dealership.

I wouldn't own a Lexus because it's a Toyota, I've had an Infiniti, and I wouldn't buy an Acura because it's a Honda. I think Genesis has the brand image already but they need more support and advertisements. People like the cars and now that they don't have the Hyundai emblem on them, they'll buy them. It's a shame to say but that's the way the world goes 'round.

I have been assured by my Hyundai dealer (General Manager) in Columbia SC who desperately wants a Genesis dealership and has been advised that there will be no dealership in SC that any 2019 models (G70) and future introductions can ONLY be sold and serviced by a Genesis dealership. 2018 model G90's and G80's and earlier models can continue to be serviced by a Hyundai dealer. My lease is up in 60 days and I very much wanted to give significant consideration to the G70 along with the G80 Sport. I will not consider driving a 100+ miles to Charlotte NC or Atlanta GA to purchase or obtain service for a G70. This leaves me with the dilemma of looking only at the G80 or shopping another brand. After 3 years of a fantastic driving experience with my 2015 G80 Ultimate I don't know how I can justify driving a stripped down version of one of the "snob" brands or expending a minimum additional $10k+ to get a car with all the features and options of a Genesis. As much as I love the Genesis experience I strongly disagree with Genesis' decision on the number of dealerships.

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I never stated the G80 Sport was the "top" model for the G80. I said I expected that the Sport would be the top trim level for the G70.



They can break out the packages/trims just like the G80 in regards to how they are contented but with different engines. I used the G80 Sport because the G80 5.0 Ultimate is actually lacking options that the G80 Sport has. This includes the CDC suspension, dark chrome trim, sport seats, sport pedals, sport steering wheel, 1 pound lighter wheels, etc. The 2k premium for the 5.0 Ultimate just gains you a V8 and LED foglights but loses all the Sport exterior/interior trim items and the adjustable suspension. So there won’t be anything like the G80 5.0 in the G70 lineup (which is why I never mentioned it). The 2.0T models will follow a similar pattern to the 3.8 G80 models and the 3.3T equipped models will top out with a G80 Sport-like trim.




There will be lower trim models equipped with the 3.3T engine. But they won’t be called Sport. Something like a 3.3T Premium. Once you tick the Sport and HTRAC boxes there will likely be no more options to be had. Similar to what they did in Canada (excluding the AWD standard part):

https://acquisition.genesis.com/preorder/189769/trim/


The 50k number CR listed is for the top model. No more options or packages. Now, the G70 Sport may come in at more than 50K (I agree that it would seem they have to price it higher than the Stinger) but it won’t be because there are more options to be added. It will be because Genesis/Hyundai priced it higher.

Here are the G70 models and trims as displayed on the Canadian pre-order website (https://acquisition.genesis.com/preorder/189769/trim/):
AVAILABLE TRIMS
G70 2.0T ADVANCED AWD
Estimated Delivery: Spring 2018
Key Features
2.0L turbocharged inline 4-cylinder engine with idle stop-and-go
All-Wheel Drive (AWD)
8-speed automatic transmission
Blind-Spot Collision Warning (BCW) with Rear Cross-Traffic Collision Warning (RCCW)
Forward Collision Avoidance-Assist (FCA)
Lane Keep Assist (LKA) with Lane Departure Warning (LDW)
Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with stop-and-go capability
18’’ aluminum alloy wheels with 225/45R18 Michelin MXM4 all-season tires
Wide-type power sunroof
Proximity keyless entry with push-button ignition
Heated, perforated-leather steering wheel
Artificial leather seating (heated front)
12-way power-adjustable driver’s seat with power lumbar
8.0” touch-screen Display Audio with Android Auto® and Apple CarPlay® connectivity
7.0" TFT LCD instrument cluster display

G70 2.0T SPORT RWD
Estimated Delivery: Summer 2018
Key Features
2.0L turbocharged inline 4-cylinder engine
Rear-Wheel Drive (RWD)
6-speed manual gearbox with leather-wrapped shift knob
Sport Appearance Package*
Limited Slip Differential (LSD)
Brembo® braking system
LED headlights
Head-Up Display (HUD)
Driver's Integrated Memory System (IMS)
Power-folding, auto-dimming, heated side mirrors with Genesis logo puddle lamps
Rain-sensing wipers
Rear parking assistance sensors
15-speaker Lexicon surround sound audio system
*Sport Appearance Package includes:
Sport 19" aluminum alloy wheels with 225/40R19 (F) + 255/40R19 (R) Michelin Pilot Sport PS4 high-performance summer tires
Dark chrome exterior accents and lower front bumper insert
Dark-finish taillight lenses
Black headlight housings with copper accents
Sport-type quilted Nappa leather seating
Red or grey interior contrast stitching
16-way power-adjustable driver's seat, including thigh extension and side bolsters
Black suede headliner
Alloy pedals
2.0T Sport only: Sport exhaust system

G70 2.0T ELITE AWD
Estimated Delivery: Spring 2018
Key Features
Includes 2.0T Advanced AWD features plus:
LED headlights
Genuine leather seating
Rear parking assistance sensors
Rain-sensing wipers
Power-folding, auto-dimming, heated side mirrors with Genesis logo puddle lamps
Power tilt-and-telescopic steering column
Driver's Integrated Memory System (IMS)
Ventilated front seats, heated rear seats
8-way power-adjustable passenger seat
8.0" touch-screen navigation system with Android Auto® and Apple CarPlay® connectivity
15-speaker Lexicon surround sound audio system
Genuine aluminum trim (centre console, door panels)

G70 2.0T PRESTIGE AWD
Estimated Delivery: Spring 2018
Key Features
Includes 2.0T Elite AWD features plus:
19" aluminum alloy wheels with 225/40R19 (F) + 255/40R19 (R) Michelin Pilot Sport PS4 high-performance summer tires
Quilted Nappa leather seating
Adaptive Cornering System (ACS) for LED headlights
Multi-View Camera System (MVCS)
Front parking assistance sensors
Head-Up Display (HUD)
Wireless charging pad
Driver's seat power-adjustable thigh extension

G70 3.3T DYNAMIC AWD
Estimated Delivery: Spring 2018
Key Features
Includes 2.0T Elite AWD features plus:
3.3L twin-turbocharged V6 engine
Brembo® braking system
Variable Gear Ratio (VGR) steering rack
Dual exhaust system

G70 3.3T SPORT AWD
Estimated Delivery: Spring 2018
Key Features
Includes 2.0T Prestige AWD features plus:
3.3L twin-turbocharged V6 engine
Brembo® braking system
Variable Gear Ratio (VGR) steering rack
Dual exhaust system
Sport Appearance Package*
Limited Slip Differential (LSD)
Genesis Adaptive Control Suspension (GACS)
*Sport Appearance Package includes:
Sport 19" aluminum alloy wheels with 225/40R19 (F) + 255/40R19 (R) Michelin Pilot Sport PS4 high-performance summer tires
Dark chrome exterior accents and lower front bumper insert
Dark-finish taillight lenses
Black headlight housings with copper accents
Sport-type quilted Nappa leather seating
Red or grey interior contrast stitching
16-way power-adjustable driver's seat, including thigh extension and side bolsters
Black suede headliner
Alloy pedals

Consumer Reports web page: (https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/genesis/g70/2019/overview/)
2019 Genesis G70 Change Vehicle
$35,000 - $50,000
No detailed pricing available.

 

[Mark_888]

I have been assured by my Hyundai dealer (General Manager) in Columbia SC who desperately wants a Genesis dealership and has been advised that there will be no dealership in SC that any 2019 models (G70) and future introductions can ONLY be sold and serviced by a Genesis dealership. 2018 model G90's and G80's and earlier models can continue to be serviced by a Hyundai dealer. My lease is up in 60 days and I very much wanted to give significant consideration to the G70 along with the G80 Sport. I will not consider driving a 100+ miles to Charlotte NC or Atlanta GA to purchase or obtain service for a G70.

I can understand that, but I assume that the concierge service will "help" address that problem.

As far as the Canadian trim levels, they are not always the same as the US trim levels, going back to the 2009 Hyundai Genesis and up until current models. Same goes for Korean models. For one thing, there will be more RWD models in the USA, but there could be other differences as well.

Also, with so few number of dealers, the price competition is going to be a lot less, so that doesn't help either.

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[Nikgen]

I can understand that, but I assume that the concierge service will "help" address that problem.

That would also "help" put an extra 200 miles (and quite possibly hard-driven miles by a complete stranger) on his car everytime he needed service - not something I'd sign up for on my expensive car, but I guess many people don't care?

 

[Mark_888]

That would also "help" put an extra 200 miles (and quite possibly hard-driven miles by a complete stranger) on his car everytime he needed service - not something I'd sign up for on my expensive car, but I guess many people don't care?

Actually, I would care, and would not even use concierge service if it were 10 miles away (I would drop off the car and get a loaner or just wait, or use their shuttle service). Personally, I don't even like the dealer to change my oil.

 

[dougjp]

Actually, I would care, and would not even use concierge service if it were 10 miles away (I would drop off the car and get a loaner or just wait, or use their shuttle service). Personally, I don't even like the dealer to change my oil.

Agree. I'd like to think an environment where the car's owner is very close by encourages more responsible driving. A Service Manager or Dealer principal will not put up with a screaming owner having seen the car being flogged. When the car is gone who knows where and who knows for how long, there's no control, either real or imagined. Also any concierge service will be limited in range, which in addition to regular service brings up the question of what happens if the car breaks down while on a trip somewhere not near any dealer, are we basically stranded.

However based on the ads and additional features its clear I'm not the target market. That is somebody who has the cash or access to it, lives in an urban location but is so busy or uninterested there's no time to deal with car service personally.

 

[EdP]

Agree. I'd like to think an environment where the car's owner is very close by encourages more responsible driving. A Service Manager or Dealer principal will not put up with a screaming owner having seen the car being flogged. When the car is gone who knows where and who knows for how long, there's no control, either real or imagined. Also any concierge service will be limited in range, which in addition to regular service brings up the question of what happens if the car breaks down while on a trip somewhere not near any dealer, are we basically stranded.

Concierge is limited to 50 miles. After that, the tow truck is on you or Roadside Assistance.

Most of us here are more involved with our cars than the average person so yes, we don't want strangers driving our cars. OTOH, there are plenty of people that would be willing to turn over the keys to avoid having to deal with a trip to the dealer and a wait. If you are a lawyer billing $200+/hour, the car is just a way to get to the office so thanks for driving it to the dealer for the oil change while I make lots of money.

 

[Mark_888]

Concierge is limited to 50 miles. After that, the tow truck is on you or Roadside Assistance.

That may be the current policy, but I wonder what they will do for states like SC with no dealers. Maybe Genesis Motors could work out a deal for concierge service at a Hyundai dealership for routine stuff like oil changes. I wonder what Genesis Motors sales volume was in SC during 2017?

 

[EdP]

That may be the current policy, but I wonder what they will do for states like SC with no dealers. Maybe Genesis Motors could work out a deal for concierge service at a Hyundai dealership for routine stuff like oil changes. I wonder what Genesis Motors sales volume was in SC during 2017?

Not just SC. Seems that some of the less populated states will be quite a distance from a dealer. I can also understand even if offered, some state could not yet support a single brand dealer. In our town, the Buick/Pontiac dealer closed after losing the Pontiac line. The Caddy deal lost Olds but still does OK with GMC, the Chrysler dealer is the Kia dealer. The Chevy and Ford are self sustaining and sell a lot of used cars too. If you want Genesis, Mercedes, BMW, Accura, Jag, Lexus, you have to go at least 20 miles, up to 50 miles.

 

[Bamm1]

I only say one with suffer because of the cross shopping that may go on. People who like the Stinger but won’t buy it because of the KIA badge will likely look at the G70.

I am here waiting on the G70 because Kia decided to remove 4 options for no apparent reason. But then, decided to release a limited edition model with those options back to steal er....charge more money. Showing me the real reason they were removed in the first place.

The badge thing doesn't really bother me. If G70 has those 4 options back (with nothing removed) and is priced in the same ballpark I will likely move in that direction.

 

[larrymg1]

I can understand that, but I assume that the concierge service will "help" address that problem.

As far as the Canadian trim levels, they are not always the same as the US trim levels, going back to the 2009 Hyundai Genesis and up until current models. Same goes for Korean models. For one thing, there will be more RWD models in the USA, but there could be other differences as well.

Also, with so few number of dealers, the price competition is going to be a lot less, so that doesn't help either.

I agree on the trim levels. That is why I specifically noted these were Canadian trim options.

I doubt a new Genesis dealer is going to provide concierge service for a customer 100+ miles away. Previous post stated a maximum 50 miles for service. On a side note I am not excited about concierge service where they send a driver for your car regardless of the distance. Ideally, for me, would be flatbed tow to and from for service.

Yes, pricing deals are undoubtedly going to be very limited.

 

[BlancaGenny]

I have been assured by my Hyundai dealer (General Manager) in Columbia SC who desperately wants a Genesis dealership and has been advised that there will be no dealership in SC that any 2019 models (G70) and future introductions can ONLY be sold and serviced by a Genesis dealership. 2018 model G90's and G80's and earlier models can continue to be serviced by a Hyundai dealer. My lease is up in 60 days and I very much wanted to give significant consideration to the G70 along with the G80 Sport. I will not consider driving a 100+ miles to Charlotte NC or Atlanta GA to purchase or obtain service for a G70. This leaves me with the dilemma of looking only at the G80 or shopping another brand. After 3 years of a fantastic driving experience with my 2015 G80 Ultimate I don't know how I can justify driving a stripped down version of one of the "snob" brands or expending a minimum additional $10k+ to get a car with all the features and options of a Genesis. As much as I love the Genesis experience I strongly disagree with Genesis' decision on the number of dealerships.

I spoke with a guy at my dealer and they are not going to carry them either. There isn't a luxury sales market up here "so they say." I see many BMW's, Audi's, MB's, and a few other Genesis' around. Granted, it isn't like Seattle or Dallas or any of that but there is still a considerable amount. The number of dealerships is because of the uncertainty of the brand. They can't open 500 dealerships over a 3 year period without knowing the car will sell. When they bring the SUV into play, they may have more willingness to open dealerships as sales will likely rise.

That would also "help" put an extra 200 miles (and quite possibly hard-driven miles by a complete stranger) on his car everytime he needed service - not something I'd sign up for on my expensive car, but I guess many people don't care?

Especially if it is leased. I don't like putting miles on mine but I like driving it... Not to a dealership though

I am here waiting on the G70 because Kia decided to remove 4 options for no apparent reason. But then, decided to release a limited edition model with those options back to steal er....charge more money. Showing me the real reason they were removed in the first place.

The badge thing doesn't really bother me. If G70 has those 4 options back (with nothing removed) and is priced in the same ballpark I will likely move in that direction.

IDK what KIA was thinking. With the Atlantica, they are acting as if the options won't be available for the 2019 year either on the GT2. I brushed a bit about it earlier but pricing will be all kinds of jacked up if they decide to add the features to the "regular" 2019 model year in conjunction with having the Atlantica available.

 

[Mark_888]

There isn't a luxury sales market up here "so they say."

With only 100 dealers in the USA, the math doesn't work out for any dealer in South Dakota. It's not what you dealer wants, its what Genesis Motors is willing to give him (which is no Genesis Motors dealership, at least to start with).

I am sure there is a luxury car market in SD, but it's a matter of numbers.

The Houston TX metro area has more people than the 11 lowest population states combined (which includes SD). Dallas-Ft Worth TX metro area is even larger than Houston. Then there are the cities of San Antonio and Austin in the state of Texas. Obviously CA is even bigger, so those two states combined could easily suck up 10 of the 100 dealers.