Winter tires/rims

[luck11]

I picked up my car just 4 days ago and have been hearing everyone say how bad the Michelin primacy’s are for snow&ice.

What are they good for then? Not even a week since I took procession and i’m already looking for set of winter tires that fits.

Should I hold onto the primacy for next spring &summer, or should I sell them?

Well, they are an all-season tire. Any all-season tire is a compromise tire and generally do only okay, at best, in winter conditions. Simply the nature of the tread and the rubber compound used (winter tires have softer rubber to remain pliable and grip better in really cold temps). So all depends where you live and needs are. Where I live, I would not drive without a winter tire, and always have dedicated set of winter tires and wheels, and another set of wheels and tires for summer.

In terms of holding onto the Primacy's, tough to answer. If you plan on maintaining the same wheel size, or using the stock wheel, then why not keep them for spring summer fall? The Primacy Tour A/S gets pretty good reviews. However, I would advise against swapping out tires on same wheel each season as that negatively impacts the tire and stretches the bead. You can probably do a bit more research on this though as I do no profess to be an expert. If so, then consider a 2nd set of dedicated wheels, either for winter or summer, use your stock wheels for one or the other, depending on which wheel you deem to be the "nicer" wheel, ie. generally use the more aesthetically pleasing wheel in summer).

I am not a fan of the stock 19" wheels. Not bad, but meh... Also, I am not a fan of the proportion of wheel to rubber...too much sidewall. I am finicky about that, and I can just look at it and see what a good proportion is for my tastes, 21" and stock size being perfect frankly. But like @dhuhtala mentioned, going with a bigger wheel, means a shorter side wall if you're going to keep same overall diameter, and that comes at the expense of ride quality. Important consideration that comes down to personal circumstances and preferences.

 

[Blackbird]

Hello, fellow snow tire fans. New question: how do you get the GV70 to recognize that you've changed wheels and to resynch with the TPMS sensors? I've been driving around for a week now with "Drive to see tire pressures" showing on the dashboard infographic. Nothing in the manual or on the Genesis website (that I can find, anyway) about forcing a resynch to the sensors.

 

[Dee-Genesis]

Hello, fellow snow tire fans. New question: how do you get the GV70 to recognize that you've changed wheels and to resynch with the TPMS sensors? I've been driving around for a week now with "Drive to see tire pressures" showing on the dashboard infographic. Nothing in the manual or on the Genesis website (that I can find, anyway) about forcing a resynch to the sensors.

Wonder question because I was wondering the same thing as well. I had Genesis changed over my tires last winter and spring but I am not going back to them this time around as they aren't close to where I am currently am and wanted to know if it is just a wheel swap, drive a few and it shows up or will they have to do something when they change the set for it to show up? Any help would be appreciated.

 

[dhuhtala]

Nope. I am contemplating a 22" wheel with slightly oversized tire (265/40/22) that would give me a slightly taller side wall than the stock 21" for a bit more cushion, or a 21" wheel with stock tire size. In fact, if I could find a set of the stock 21" used or a take off from a fairly new vehicle, I would consider that as well. 22" options are so much greater for both wheels and tires. Still undecided however.

Cool, I'd be very interested in hearing what the ride quality is like when you get those on! My biggest issue on the highways around here is tar-lines!

 

[Amtip]

Hello, fellow snow tire fans. New question: how do you get the GV70 to recognize that you've changed wheels and to resynch with the TPMS sensors? I've been driving around for a week now with "Drive to see tire pressures" showing on the dashboard infographic. Nothing in the manual or on the Genesis website (that I can find, anyway) about forcing a resynch to the sensors.

Wonder question because I was wondering the same thing as well. I had Genesis changed over my tires last winter and spring but I am not going back to them this time around as they aren't close to where I am currently am and wanted to know if it is just a wheel swap, drive a few and it shows up or will they have to do something when they change the set for it to show up? Any help would be appreciated.

I drove for about 10 miles and mine went away. I ordered OE tpms on ebay, if you have aftermarket they may need to be programmed, no idea what that'd entail.

 

[Dee-Genesis]

I drove for about 10 miles and mine went away. I ordered OE tpms on ebay, if you have aftermarket they may need to be programmed, no idea what that'd entail.

Oh OK good to know. The wheels and everything are from Genesis as a part of the winter wheel package so they worked before. Just won't have the same time to get there again anytime soon hence why I would not take it back to get them changed over.

 

[luck11]

Hello, fellow snow tire fans. New question: how do you get the GV70 to recognize that you've changed wheels and to resynch with the TPMS sensors? I've been driving around for a week now with "Drive to see tire pressures" showing on the dashboard infographic. Nothing in the manual or on the Genesis website (that I can find, anyway) about forcing a resynch to the sensors.

Hmmm, not sure. On my Toyota of many years ago, I had a device I had to use to reprogram my ECU every swap. PITA. On my Ford F150, It would automatically recognize the TPMS every swap.

The wheel shop I am connecting with to potentially buy a summer set of wheels and tires tells me their package includes preprogrammed TPMS sensors specifically for my vehicle. I would be surprised if the system doesn't simply recognize them after driving a bit. I have read other Genesis model owners having their aftermarket sensors automatically recognized. Does this mean that is absolutely the case for our GVs? Not a definitive answer unfortunately.

However, if they are supposed to auto recognize, then you need to turn to the sensors themselves. Are the OEM Hyundai/Genesis or aftermarket? Are they the right model or good quality? Were they preprogrammed (even if Hyundai/Genesis branded sensors, I wonder if the technician has to preprogram for your car, and perhaps forgot to do so? 'Cause, you know, a tech would never forget a critical step like that ;-) ) Are they defective? Sounds to me like you need to go back to whomever installed them for you.

 

[Blackbird]

Hmmm, not sure. On my Toyota of many years ago, I had a device I had to use to reprogram my ECU every swap. PITA. On my Ford F150, It would automatically recognize the TPMS every swap.

The wheel shop I am connecting with to potentially buy a summer set of wheels and tires tells me their package includes preprogrammed TPMS sensors specifically for my vehicle. I would be surprised if the system doesn't simply recognize them after driving a bit. I have read other Genesis model owners having their aftermarket sensors automatically recognized. Does this mean that is absolutely the case for our GVs? Not a definitive answer unfortunately.

However, if they are supposed to auto recognize, then you need to turn to the sensors themselves. Are the OEM Hyundai/Genesis or aftermarket? Are they the right model or good quality? Were they preprogrammed (even if Hyundai/Genesis branded sensors, I wonder if the technician has to preprogram for your car, and perhaps forgot to do so? 'Cause, you know, a tech would never forget a critical step like that ;-) ) Are they defective? Sounds to me like you need to go back to whomever installed them for you.

The tire and wheel package is from Tire Rack, and the TPMS sensors are supposedly the correct 433mhz spec and pre-programmed. Now, they were mounted on the car by the local Discount Tire shop, and it is a good question whether Discount were supposed to activate the sensors and forgot. Will check with them. But meanwhile, if anyone knows a magic incantation to force a GV70 to re-pair with TPMS, now would be a great time to share it.

 

[luck11]

The tire and wheel package is from Tire Rack, and the TPMS sensors are supposedly the correct 433mhz spec and pre-programmed. Now, they were mounted on the car by the local Discount Tire shop, and it is a good question whether Discount were supposed to activate the sensors and forgot. Will check with them. But meanwhile, if anyone knows a magic incantation to force a GV70 to re-pair with TPMS, now would be a great time to share it.

If they were pre-programmed, IMHO, they should have simply been recognized by the GV once on and driven. I doubt the tire shop had to take any action, but I could be wrong. I would be inclined to go back to Tire Rack and ask them for any input. Frankly, short of re programming the sensors, I am at a loss. Could also have the local shop scan the sensors to ensure the sensors are working.

 

[Amtip]

The tire and wheel package is from Tire Rack, and the TPMS sensors are supposedly the correct 433mhz spec and pre-programmed. Now, they were mounted on the car by the local Discount Tire shop, and it is a good question whether Discount were supposed to activate the sensors and forgot. Will check with them. But meanwhile, if anyone knows a magic incantation to force a GV70 to re-pair with TPMS, now would be a great time to share it.

If they were pre-programmed, IMHO, they should have simply been recognized by the GV once on and driven. I doubt the tire shop had to take any action, but I could be wrong. I would be inclined to go back to Tire Rack and ask them for any input. Frankly, short of re programming the sensors, I am at a loss. Could also have the local shop scan the sensors to ensure the sensors are working.

There's no magic incantation or opinions here. If the sensors are right they will automatically pair.

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[Blackbird]

There's no magic incantation or opinions here. If the sensors are right they will automatically pair.

I'm waiting for Tire Rack tech support to get back to me. In the meantime, some web surfing has at least made me more educated about TPMS. What I've learned (mostly from the ATEQ site, a seller of TPMS management tools) is the following....

TPMS reset has three modalities: (1) Relearning; (2) Dynamic; (3) Stationary. "Relearning" is what the GV70 is supposed to do: put new wheels on, drive for a while, the car synchs with them, everything is copacetic. "Dynamic" is when the driver performs a set series of actions which prompts the car to synch with the sensors. For example, to reset TPMS on a 2014 Ford Escape, the driver (a) turns the ignition on and off rapidly three times and (b) then drives three miles at exactly 12 miles an hour. {Which sounds like a magic incantation to me} "Stationary" is when you have car in the shop and attach a device (perhaps an ATEQ) to the OBD port to re-program the ECU and force it to re-pair with TPMS.

Apparently, (most) carmakers enable at least two of these modalities. Which makes sense -- there is a fallback procedure if the primary reset modality fails.

Will post more if I learn more about Genesis.

 

[Amtip]

I'm waiting for Tire Rack tech support to get back to me. In the meantime, some web surfing has at least made me more educated about TPMS. What I've learned (mostly from the ATEQ site, a seller of TPMS management tools) is the following....

TPMS reset has three modalities: (1) Relearning; (2) Dynamic; (3) Stationary. "Relearning" is what the GV70 is supposed to do: put new wheels on, drive for a while, the car synchs with them, everything is copacetic. "Dynamic" is when the driver performs a set series of actions which prompts the car to synch with the sensors. For example, to reset TPMS on a 2014 Ford Escape, the driver (a) turns the ignition on and off rapidly three times and (b) then drives three miles at exactly 12 miles an hour. {Which sounds like a magic incantation to me} "Stationary" is when you have car in the shop and attach a device (perhaps an ATEQ) to the OBD port to re-program the ECU and force it to re-pair with TPMS.

Apparently, (most) carmakers enable at least two of these modalities. Which makes sense -- there is a fallback procedure if the primary reset modality fails.

Will post more if I learn more about Genesis.

I'm sure there's something that can be done at the dealership, if the sensors are correct and just not pairing for whatever reason. After my experience with my WRX, which had to be taken in or you could but the $600 tool yourself. This is the "stationary" you mentioned. There was no other option.

On my WRX, the dealer paired the aftermarket sensors with no issue on the first time I used them, and when I went to switch to them again the following winter they could not be read. Honestly I still wonder if the guy was trying to screw me because A) he tried to charge me when every other time had been free, as well as my maintenence on this visit was supposed to include a tire rotation which was the same price and I didn't need it because I just put them on and had rotated them myself, and B) he tried to get me to buy a new air filter at 12k miles. Who knows? What I do know is OE sensors work. Period. Aftermarket? Maybe, sometimes.

I hope they can get yours working, otherwise I'd demand a refund on them and get OE.

 

[Zeus69]

Had my wheel/winter tire set installed today at a local tire shop. They told me they didn’t have the updates needed on their OBD module to ensure proper pairing of the TPMS sensors with the GV70. They were able to read that the sensors were “active“. So I drove the car for about 8 miles while watching the info screen. The individual tire pressures never showed up. I called my sales guy at Hyundai/Genesis and he told me to give it the weekend, hoping the sensors and automobile would sync. If not, the dealership should be able to take care of it.

 

[Andyboy]

I don’t use sensors on my winters and don’t have any problem. As long as you are not on that screen you don’t even get any warnings. I am a little old school and like to manually test my pressures every other week as I clean the car and do a general check. Never an issue.

 

[deewan]

Regarding the TPMS and if the stems need to programmed, they do not as long as they are OEM. I purchased OEM sensors and a second set of Genesis wheels for winter and swapped out my wheels. Everything synced without any special action taken by me. I did all the swapping so I know the tire shop didn't do anything behind the scene.

I've spoken to two GV70 owners who purchased "GV70 TPMS stems" off Amazon that were third party and they could never get them to work. Perhaps things are different now, but I think the key is OEM stems and then you have no issues.

The correct WM part number is:
Genuine OEM 52940-AR100 VALVE-TPMS 4 PCS Set / 52940AR100 for select HYUNDAI KIA models

 

[Zeus69]

I don’t use sensors on my winters and don’t have any problem. As long as you are not on that screen you don’t even get any warnings. I am a little old school and like to manually test my pressures every other week as I clean the car and do a general check. Never an issue.

Wish I could say the same. This AM, on drive to work, I got the following...

 

[Cafedelmar]

255/45-20

 

[GV7081]

255/45-20

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Are those RWC rims?

 

[dhuhtala]

What is the ride like with 20s? Going from 19 or 21? Not sure the 20s would ride nicely on my 2.5T or not...using 19s now.

 

[George Findlay]

Winter in northern New Brunswick , Canada is settling in.

My GV70 dealer (Halifax) suggested 18" rims and winter rated rubber (235/60R/18). The complete package (tires, rims, sensors), as offered, was ~$3K

Here is my cost conscience winter alternative to the 21" Waffles on my 2022 Sport Plus:

2011 Hyundia Santa Fe 18" rims with a 41degree offset. Due to the size of the front brakes, the rims require a small wheel spacer (I purchased 5mm spacers which provides more clearance than necessary) and aftermarket wheel bolts (M14 x 1.5 with a full 40mm of thread length).

The used rims were $400.00 (Facebook Marketplace), the spacers were $40.00 (Amazon.ca), and the bolts $39.95 US (Lugnutguys) online.

FYI: We get a lot of winter road conditions and winter generally lasts 5 months. For those shopping for winter tires, check out the Bridgestone Blizzak dm-v2....outstanding