You will win in a drag race

[carguy75]

Ok, I was wrong.

I had some spare time yesterday, after changing wheels/tires to a summer set, so I went on to have some fun, lol

In G80 Sport, it goes up to ~2900 RPM! left foot on brake....right on gas, there is a "bump" in half way (~2500 RPM) so press harder and it goes to 2900 RPM, then release immediately! If you do that, the car will takes off like crazy, lol Don't miss that point or you'll have massive lag and you won't launch correctly.

Here in my best run 0-60 in 4.42 sec. log from Dragy. I converted to image, you can see the numbers.

Here my best time in ECO mode with only K&N air filters as an engine mod with 93 octane obtained from the Torque app. I did not turn on the Sprint Booster. 4.7 seconds 0-60mph. I wished that I could use the Dragy app for a better comparison, however it will not work with my Bluetooth OBD dongle.

 

[dareckibmw]

You ran 4.7 in ECO mode?! Nah, I don't believe that, lol

Our cars weight pretty much the same - ~4600 lb. We both have ~420hp and my car produce about ~130tq more than yours (I'm talking about running Map 2 on 93 octane) and my best time was 4.68sec., there is no way in hell, you would beat that. Psychically impossible.
The torque app isn't really accurate. Go to the track or have better tools to measure 0-60.

Btw. Dragy isn't connected to OBDII. You charge it, turn it on, let it scan all satellites, put in in your cup holder and off you go. Buy it, do some pulls, then return it (Amazon) easy as that.

 

[carguy75]

You ran 4.7 in ECO mode?! Nah, I don't believe that, lol

Our cars weight pretty much the same - ~4600 lb. We both have ~420hp and my car produce about ~130tq more than yours (I'm talking about running Map 2 on 93 octane) and my best time was 4.68sec., there is no way in hell, you would beat that. Psychically impossible.
The torque app isn't really accurate. Go to the track or have better tools to measure 0-60.

Btw. Dragy isn't connected to OBDII. You charge it, turn it on, let it scan all satellites, put in in your cup holder and off you go. Buy it, do some pulls, then return it (Amazon) easy as that.

HAHAHA. Well many people use the Torque Pro app and most complain that it gives slower times than at the track.

My Genesis is actually making about 440hp give or take because of the larger twin K&N air filters. The paper stock air filters has a substantially smaller surface area compared to the K&N air filters. Plus, my summer tire gives me very good grip without any wheel spin.
I will do some testing tomorrow in sport mode and with the Sprint Booster.

The 420hp rating for my car is from using 91 octane fuel. The engine runs stronger with 93 octane, so my my stock hp number with 93 octane is over 420hp near 430hp.

Torque only goes so far until hp take over, hence why diesel engines are slower than most gasoline engines even if they make twice the amount of torque.

 

[dareckibmw]

I'm AWD, even on Map5 ~450hp/530tq and I don't spin either.

How can you be so sure that you're doing it on perfectly flat level surface? it could be up/downhill. Dragy has an option to monitor the sloop - I believe 2%+ it will invalidate the run. How about accuracy of the torque app? any tests 0-60 torque vs. anything else?

Wish you were closer, I would let you use my Dragy.

 

[Rspected]

HAHAHA. Well many people use the Torque Pro app and most complain that it gives slower times than at the track.

My Genesis is actually making about 440hp give or take because of the larger twin K&N air filters. The paper stock air filters has a substantially smaller surface area compared to the K&N air filters. Plus, my summer tire gives me very good grip without any wheel spin.
I will do some testing tomorrow in sport mode and with the Sprint Booster.

The 420hp rating for my car is from using 91 octane fuel. The engine runs stronger with 93 octane, so my my stock hp number with 93 octane is over 420hp near 430hp.

Torque only goes so far until hp take over, hence why diesel engines are slower than most gasoline engines even if they make twice the amount of torque.

Not sure what genesis you own or motor in it but I have the 5.0 r spec 2012 and I've modded just about everything possible and then some and I'd say I'm still only running about 475-480hp realistically. That's with cat deletes, full custom 3" catback w/ x pipe, custom 4" direct flow gold heat wrapped air intake tubing stemming directly off the factory airbox system with a k&n drop in panel, sprint booster, removed excess small weight like spare tire, engine cover, etc. Lightweight wheels, high performance tires on 10.5" wheels, Bloodtyperacing ECU/TCU tuned, added aerodynamics like sport style trunk and roof spoilers, ark GTS lowering Springs, UNIQ rigid collars... etc (not sure if anything else is even possible to add at this time with the aftermarket. .. if there is let me know cuz I need more performance!)

.....and I still only run an 1/8th mile in 8.8 seconds on a good day.

This car probably makes what I said above but when you subtract the drivetrain loss you probably see closer to 390-400hp to the wheels.

This thing can hang with the big boys for fun runs in traffic but when they really step on it I'll start getting gapped. For instance I was running with a gt500 shelby and an ACR viper in traffic and we were flying pretty close but once we hit the highway they started pulling hard on me and I felt like some weaksauce.

 

[carguy75]

I'm AWD, even on Map5 ~450hp/530tq and I don't spin either.

How can you be so sure that you're doing it on perfectly flat level surface? it could be up/downhill. Dragy has an option to monitor the sloop - I believe 2%+ it will invalidate the run. How about accuracy of the torque app? any tests 0-60 torque vs. anything else?

Wish you were closer, I would let you use my Dragy.

I am sure the ground is not perfectly level where I tested the car. The road actually had left and right curves while going up hill. My car is just fast especially ever since I changed the air filters. The Torque app just verified what I have been noticing on the road. I used to own a 2002 Mercedes E55 AMG which does 0-60 in 4.9 seconds stock. My 2015 Genesis feels much faster than that car, so I believe the Torque app.

 

[carguy75]

Not sure what genesis you own or motor in it but I have the 5.0 r spec 2012 and I've modded just about everything possible and then some and I'd say I'm still only running about 475-480hp realistically. That's with cat deletes, full custom 3" catback w/ x pipe, custom 4" direct flow gold heat wrapped air intake tubing stemming directly off the factory airbox system with a k&n drop in panel, sprint booster, removed excess small weight like spare tire, engine cover, etc. Lightweight wheels, high performance tires on 10.5" wheels, Bloodtyperacing ECU/TCU tuned, added aerodynamics like sport style trunk and roof spoilers, ark GTS lowering Springs, UNIQ rigid collars... etc (not sure if anything else is even possible to add at this time with the aftermarket. .. if there is let me know cuz I need more performance!)

.....and I still only run an 1/8th mile in 8.8 seconds on a good day.

This car probably makes what I said above but when you subtract the drivetrain loss you probably see closer to 390-400hp to the wheels.

This thing can hang with the big boys for fun runs in traffic but when they really step on it I'll start getting gapped. For instance I was running with a gt500 shelby and an ACR viper in traffic and we were flying pretty close but once we hit the highway they started pulling hard on me and I felt like some weaksauce.

I own a 2015 Genesis 5.0. I changed the twin air filters for K&N air filters, use only 93 octane, and use 75w-90 Royal purple gear oil which is very slippery due to added friction modifiers(lots of moly) which reduce drive-train losses to the wheels due to friction. I have not done much to the car other than small changes mentioned that make a huge impact in performance. Sometimes you do not need to do much to help an well designed engine perform better.

 

[dareckibmw]

I believe when I see some slips from better/more reliable measuring tools and/or a track. I don't mind to take my car to the track, to prove and back up my numbers.

 

[carguy75]

I believe when I see some slips from better/more reliable measuring tools and/or a track. I don't mind to take my car to the track, to prove and back up my numbers.

LOL. I am happy with the Torque Pro app GPS information. I have dusted many quick cars on the road so I believe that the torque number are close enough to factual data. Like I mentioned, many people actually complain that the Torque app give slower numbers than what they got at the race track. Plus, most drag tracks are not set up for street tires so the times may still be inaccurate due to traction issues. You may not like the data from the torque app, but from what I read it usually give slower times not quicker times.

The 5.0 Genesis is just fast, however there is really not much performance data on this car outside the early pre-production models tested by magazines with crappy Hankook tires. Therefore, who knows how fast the production models actually are since many owners never really test them properly. The 5.0 Genesis are 4.5 seconds cars easily with good tires and performance filters.

 

[dareckibmw]

I'm not saying that the app is off a lot, but even if is off ~.2-.3 of a sec. in 0-60 run, this is huge difference. I wish we could have more data available, more runs 0-60, 1/4 of mile, etc. like Stinger owners have.

I still won't believe the 5.0 would be that fast, no way.

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[daviderle]

Dareckibmw don’t worry mate, it is a simple matter of physics, my 5.0 curb weight is 4601lb, yours is about 45lb lighter, the R-Spec was 4260lb, On a good day I got 0-60 4.7 in the R-Spec, but I have struggled to get the 5.0 to even get a smidgen below 5 seconds (Maybe twice in the last 4 months on few nice cold days).
But hay, I just ordered a set of k&n filters to see if that make any difference and will keep you posted.

 

[dareckibmw]

As far I can see, the Rspec weight is ~4046lb, and it's being reported 0-60 in ~4.8sec. so, heavier 2015+ weights ~550lb more and yet is faster by ~.2sec?, how is that possible? it doesn't make any sense. We need some dyno tests, guys!

 

[Crimson]

So I haven't clicked the link yet - I'm hoping it's going to take me to Van Halen..........

Now would I let you down? C'mon man gimme a break!

 

[carguy75]

I'm not saying that the app is off a lot, but even if is off ~.2-.3 of a sec. in 0-60 run, this is huge difference. I wish we could have more data available, more runs 0-60, 1/4 of mile, etc. like Stinger owners have.

I still won't believe the 5.0 would be that fast, no way.

Well, it is not impossible for the 5.0 to be this quick. Like I mentioned, Car and Driver best time was 5 seconds on crappy Hankook AS tires that was traction limited on a early production Genesis with a factory new engine that was not broken-in. Car and Driver also used 91 octane where I use 93 octane. My old Michelin AS tires used to break traction when I floored the pedal so I can only imagine how the stock Hankook tires would handle.

Like I said, no one really test our cars besides just driving them. The 5.0 engine is a sleeper.

 

[carguy75]

Dareckibmw don’t worry mate, it is a simple matter of physics, my 5.0 curb weight is 4601lb, yours is about 45lb lighter, the R-Spec was 4260lb, On a good day I got 0-60 4.7 in the R-Spec, but I have struggled to get the 5.0 to even get a smidgen below 5 seconds (Maybe twice in the last 4 months on few nice cold days).
But hay, I just ordered a set of k&n filters to see if that make any difference and will keep you posted.

I am sure that the filters will help. Just compare the size difference over the stock air filters when you do get your K&N filters. I also recommend that you change your rear differential gear oil for Royal Purple 75w-90 which will help reduce drive-line losses to the rear wheels due to friction.

 

[LD5050]

If HP, TQ and weight were the only factors that decided a vehicle’s 0-60 and 1/4 miles times, no one would ever have to race and we could all just crunch a few numbers or compare apples to pineapples for results.
Tires, suspension, weight distribution, transmission shift points & overall capability, aerodynamics, and on and on.
It’s not black magic by any means, but there’s a lot more to making a car fast than those 3 popular parameters.
My 2012 GT500 could get smoked by a less powerful and heavier car with AWD and launch control. It is what it is.

I do enjoy watching you guys eek as much power out of these platforms as possible. It’s always fun to take something and make it faster, especially cars like these that lean more towards the Sleeper side of things.

 

[carguy75]

If HP, TQ and weight were the only factors that decided a vehicle’s 0-60 and 1/4 miles times, no one would ever have to race and we could all just crunch a few numbers or compare apples to pineapples for results.
Tires, suspension, weight distribution, transmission shift points & overall capability, aerodynamics, and on and on.
It’s not black magic by any means, but there’s a lot more to making a car fast than those 3 popular parameters.
My 2012 GT500 could get smoked by a less powerful and heavier car with AWD and launch control. It is what it is.

I do enjoy watching you guys eek as much power out of these platforms as possible. It’s always fun to take something and make it faster, especially cars like these that lean more towards the Sleeper side of things.

So true. Many factors are involved in 0-60 times that various from the driver to the car itself. Even the acceleration data obtained from GPS satellites are affected by weather conditions such as cloud over-cast that can delay GPS signals and readings.

Yesterday was sunny during my test, however if I attempted the same test today with the present cloud-cover the times would be slower due to GPS signal lag. The 0-60 tests published by magazines just gives an ideal of what the car can do on a given day after many attempts, however they are not a hard-line indication of what all similar cars can do per some universal rule.

I go by real-world results such if my car beats another car on the road to a merge by only pressing the gas pedal or how it feels to me overall. Data can say that my car can do 0-60pmh in 4 seconds with a perfect launch technique that is hard to perform, but means nothing if a Honda Civic SI can actually beat me on the fly just by pressing the gas pedal at a stoplight.

 

[daviderle]

So true. Many factors are involved in 0-60 times that various from the driver to the car itself. Even the acceleration...

Excellent, so that answer it for me, 0.2-0.3 sec slower = 5 years older x 500lb heavier

 

[Markymark]

Other than disabling Traction control and Stability control - what does the launch control do .

my cheat sheet for Launch control looks like this

1. Change drive mode to sport
2. Disable Traction control
3. Disable Stability Control
4. Accelerate to 4500 rpm with left foot on brake and right foot on accelerator
5. Release left foot brake .

Sorry, but won't this just result in a burnout and trashed tires? I have a '15 5.0 and it's a beast.

 

[Lead Head]

Sorry, but won't this just result in a burnout and trashed tires? I have a '15 5.0 and it's a beast.

The AWD on the 3.3TT hooks up pretty well even on stock tires. Imagine it's even more effective on Michelle sports, etc. If there's spinning, it's quite brief.