2015 Genesis Pricing, a bit more …

[italiabrain]

Yes, 5.5 for the TL SH AWD is about right but I have also seen 5.3 and 5.4. Don't think the Genny 3.8 can get there. I know the 4.6, which I have, is advertised at 5.3 but not so sure that is attainable unless completely defeating the ESC. So how can the heavier TL perform better than the lighter Genny with more advertised horsepower? 333/305.

Honda/Acura ESC is certainly easier to defeat than the older Hyundai systems, but I think you have to kill the Hyundai system to make the comparison. I can't find MT numbers for the newer 3.8 sedan (with GDI) but I had widely heard that it was very close to the 4.6 in 0-60 times with ESC defeated. AOL autos has both the Genesis and TL-SH at 5.5 (motor trend didn't have numbers for both)

The original 3.8 was more like 5.9 or 6.

 

[larry'sown]

There's so much misinformation in this thread, it's not even funny. The only TL that gets in the low 5s is the TL SHAWD with the manual. The automatic TL SHAWD(a more apples to apples comparison) gets to 60 in 6.2s, at least 7/10s slower than the 2012-14 Genesis 3.8. Hyundai's power ratings are not overestimated at all. The issue is Hyundai is more honest about their power outputs than most others. You can't trust a turbocharged German engine to make its claimed power because it is likely making way more. This has been proven time and time again. BMW in particular has been known to crank up the boost to give their cars a leg up in comparison tests. The graph showing the M56's power ratings being higher than the Genesis', all I can say is that's the way it should be. It has .6L more than the the Genesis' engine. All those cubic inches and 200 less pounds translates to a whopping 3/10s at the drag-strip. That's a margin that can easily be erased with better mapping and more low-end torque; all things the 2015 Genesis is supposed to possess. But seriously, are we all really up in arms over a few measily tenths of a second? If it's that important to you spend $10K+ on a competitor.

 

[ksoze]

But seriously, are we all really up in arms over a few measily tenths of a second? If it's that important to you spend $10K+ on a competitor.

Agreed. This wormhole morphed from an earlier statement that the AWD Genesis would be handicapped in acceleration performance from it's RWD sibling. Time will tell, but in the end these 1/10's of seconds are for internet flogging and will mean little to the majority of Genesis drivers.

 

[tompass]

Thread did morph a bit but the intent was to address more about truth in advertising than tenths of a second performance.

 

[larry'sown]

Agreed. This wormhole morphed from an earlier statement that the AWD Genesis would be handicapped in acceleration performance from it's RWD sibling. Time will tell, but in the end these 1/10's of seconds are for internet flogging and will mean little to the majority of Genesis drivers.

That's a ridiculous argument as well. I expect the HTRAC Genesis to be barely slower than the RWD Genesis, if at all. But even if it is marginally slower, the benefit of AWD traction will surely make it more liveable to customers in the snow-belt and will likely make it faster around the track. All I really care about is that the Genesis is faster than the CTS. Every powertrain other than the TTV6 is craptastic on that car and it would likely get smoked by a 2009-11 3.8.

 

[italiabrain]

There's so much misinformation in this thread, it's not even funny. The only TL that gets in the low 5s is the TL SHAWD with the manual. The automatic TL SHAWD(a more apples to apples comparison) gets to 60 in 6.2s, at least 7/10s slower than the 2012-14 Genesis 3.8. Hyundai's power ratings are not overestimated at all. The issue is Hyundai is more honest about their power outputs than most others. You can't trust a turbocharged German engine to make its claimed power because it is likely making way more. This has been proven time and time again. BMW in particular has been known to crank up the boost to give their cars a leg up in comparison tests. The graph showing the M56's power ratings being higher than the Genesis', all I can say is that's the way it should be. It has .6L more than the the Genesis' engine. All those cubic inches and 200 less pounds translates to a whopping 3/10s at the drag-strip. That's a margin that can easily be erased with better mapping and more low-end torque; all things the 2015 Genesis is supposed to possess. But seriously, are we all really up in arms over a few measily tenths of a second? If it's that important to you spend $10K+ on a competitor.

I'm sorry, but this is laughable... real world comparison dynos and auto-mag test numbers are misinformation?

Displacement has absolutely nothing to do with the comparison. The issue is that Infiniti (not an under-rated German turbo) makes more hp while the Hyundai is advertised to have more hp. Note also that I said under-rated COMPARED TO INDUSTRY STANDARDS. I never said there was no chance the Tau could make 429 at the flywheel under perfect conditions.

I have no idea how you got so far off topic, but I wasn't ragging on the Genesis, never suggested buying the M56, etc. I plan on buying the 2015 Genesis! The entirety of my post was responding to people not believing that the power gap between the BMW 535 and Genesis 5.0 is significantly smaller than you would believe if you read each manufacturers product spec page.

I still think the Genesis is the better deal, the Genesis still makes more power, and I plan on buying the Genesis. I never said anything to the contrary.

 

[larry'sown]

I'm sorry, but this is laughable... real world comparison dynos and auto-mag test numbers are misinformation?

Displacement has absolutely nothing to do with the comparison. The issue is that Infiniti (not an under-rated German turbo) makes more hp while the Hyundai is advertised to have more hp. Note also that I said under-rated COMPARED TO INDUSTRY STANDARDS. I never said there was no chance the Tau could make 429 at the flywheel under perfect conditions.

I have no idea how you got so far off topic, but I wasn't ragging on the Genesis, never suggested buying the M56, etc. I plan on buying the 2015 Genesis! The entirety of my post was responding to people not believing that the power gap between the BMW 535 and Genesis 5.0 is significantly smaller than you would believe if you read each manufacturers product spec page.

I still think the Genesis is the better deal, the Genesis still makes more power, and I plan on buying the Genesis. I never said anything to the contrary.

Obviously you're confused. I didn't take this thread off-topic. perhaps if you read my post again, you'd see that I clearly addressed multiple posters at once. There is no industry standard. Some companies happen to be coy about power rati.gs and others do not.

 

[italiabrain]

Obviously you're confused. I didn't take this thread off-topic. perhaps if you read my post again, you'd see that I clearly addressed multiple posters at once. There is no industry standard. Some companies happen to be coy about power rati.gs and others do not.

LOL. Now I'm "confused".... cute. If you weren't off topic tell me who suggested spending $10k more on an M56 because of the slight power advantage, or who said the Genesis wasn't the better deal, or what relative displacement has to do with Hyundai's horsepower ratings...

No industry standard, eh... Then why is Hyundai the only notable example rating theirs so optimistically right now?
As % of advertised power delivered to the wheels Hyundai is behind Lexus, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Infiniti, and Acura from what I've read. I'd say that pretty much makes an industry standard. I'm not saying Hyundai is lying, I'm saying their numbers aren't directly comparable to the rest of the industry. Again, this isn't poking fun at Hyundai... the context was simply that the power difference between a BMW 535 and a Genesis 5.0 is not actually 129hp, let alone the 189hp implied by the first comparison by using 528 numbers for the 535. Similarly, the Hyundai doesn't make 9 more HP than the M56... the M56 makes more. Yes, the M56 should make more, but that's totally irrelevant to Hyundai's advertising.

 

[Aquineas]

I'm one of the folks who took it a bit off-topic. That being said, I'll probably get the Genny if it's available in a V8 AWD and the price is right.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

If anybody cares about the opinion of someone who has actually put 22,000 miles on a current-generation 535 and 42,000 miles on an R-Spec. I will tell you what I think.

The 535 is quick and smooth up to about 5,000-5,500 rpm and then begins to run out of breath. Not a serious issue for most people. The R-Spec just goes and goes and goes all the way to its next shift precisely at redline. Feels significantly quicker throughout the powerband than my 535 ever did.

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[drpearso]

Then I was hoping for. Now I don't know if the USA pricing will be much different?

Today at the Canadian International Auto Show in Toronto, Hyundai Canada announced that the all-new 2015 Hyundai Genesis will start at $43,000 when it arrives in showrooms this spring with the following standard features:
311-horsepower 3.8L GDI V6 engine;
HTRAC all-wheel drive;
HID headlights with adaptive lighting;
Proximity keyless entry with push-button ignition;
8'' touchscreen navigation system;
Rearview camera;
and more.

Starting at $48,000, the 3.8 Luxury version of the 2015 Hyundai Genesis adds a panoramic sunroof, premium Napa leather, and a 14-speaker Lexicon sound system, among other luxurious features.

Next up is the 3.8 Technology, priced from $53,000, with advanced driver assistance features including Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB), a Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS), and Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with stop-and-go capability, not to mention full-colour head-up display and an industry-first CO2 sensor control system.

Finally, at $62,000, the 5.0 Ultimate model stands out with Hyundai's award-winning 5.0L GDI V8 engine developing an estimated 420 horsepower in addition to extra goodies such as a 9.2'' high-definition navigation display, an upgraded 900-watt Lexicon surround sound system with 17 speakers, and a Continuous Damping Control (CDC) suspension.

I wonder what a 2015 5.0L with only 1 option would cost (Heads Up display is the only option I'd want out of the 8 options that are offered for the 2015 5.0L)?

If anyone has an idea what that would price out to be, i would love to know. Thanks.

 

[drpearso]

IF they can pull it off, they will succeed in getting folks who are buying BMW' Lexus and Audi to at least look at the car as an option, but at the top of the price range, not sure many will switch.

Looks like I'll be keeping my 2012 Avalon for a bit longer.

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I agree with you. If the 5.0L is going to cost over $62k, I will go to a different brand. If I could keep my 2013 rspec, I would, but I need better seats.

 

[drpearso]

I am pleased at times but more often perplexed at some of the postings on this forum, particularly those by admitted non-owners. I stepped out of my 2013 Genesis Coupe after 15 mos. and into my Titanium 2013 R-Spec. Sedan.
I am 80, speak 6 languages, lived round the world, driven sports cars and sports sedans all my life and owned about every car from Alfa Romeo to Toyota.
Averaged 27.5 MPG over an 800 mile stretch with the R (speed control on 80 when possible) on a run from Pittsburgh to Colorado Springs;as a break-in.
I have had zero problems! Recommendations: Drive it like you love it; BURY THE TACH! I also keep my Escort Max on duty, LEO isn't friendly 'round here.

Well, I sure like your attitude and approach to life. I can tell you are a man who loves his machines --- doesnt matter if it was an ole 1st beater, or the other fine cars you have had. I wish good health to you. Regards.

 

[drpearso]

While Equus may have a higher sticker price relative to its segment, the reality of the marketplace has many dealers already discounting the 2014's close to $10k. There is a limit to the demand for and how high a price a non-status, status car can command. That's why I anticipate good deals on the upcoming Kia K900

How much do you anticipate the K900 will cost msrp (5.0L). And how much do you think they will end up discounted. I think the K900 will be out before the 2G Genesis is out. I was assuming the K900 was going to come out late Jan.,, but that is obviously wrong.

I wonder if the K900 will be discounted after the 2nd G comes out, as long as the 2nd G is not priced way to high. I'd like to get a good estimate of what a 2015 5.0L Genesis with just HUD option? Good luck with your K900. Regards.

 

[sandy]

How much do you anticipate the K900 will cost msrp (5.0L). And how much do you think they will end up discounted. I think the K900 will be out before the 2G Genesis is out. I was assuming the K900 was going to come out late Jan.,, but that is obviously wrong.

I wonder if the K900 will be discounted after the 2nd G comes out, as long as the 2nd G is not priced way to high. I'd like to get a good estimate of what a 2015 5.0L Genesis with just HUD option? Good luck with your K900. Regards.

I signed up for K900 updates from Kia and received an email this morning stating they are being delived to dealers starting next week in Los Angeles and the rest of the country end of March, beginning of April.

Msrp for the 5.0 is $59,500, about the same as the Equus Signature.

I think after the initial month or so the deals will be on the lease programs. How good I have no idea but I am wishful.

 

[katman0]

I wonder what a 2015 5.0L with only 1 option would cost (Heads Up display is the only option I'd want out of the 8 options that are offered for the 2015 5.0L)?

If anyone has an idea what that would price out to be, i would love to know. Thanks.

I don't know what the option packages will be in the states but in Canada the 5.0 will have everything standard I was told. That is why the price will be $64,000 according to the rep at the autoshow

 

[tompass]

$64K Canadian dollars and that includes AWD for the 5.0.

 

[katman0]

$64K Canadian dollars and that includes AWD for the 5.0.

Yes

 

[tompass]

I actually contacted a dealer in Niagara Falls Ontario and asked about purchasing a 5.0 there and bringing into the States. Convoluted and difficult process and warranty issues would likely prevail. Claimed servicing would have to done in Canada.

 

[Mark_888]

I actually contacted a dealer in Niagara Falls Ontario and asked about purchasing a 5.0 there and bringing into the States. Convoluted and difficult process and warranty issues would likely prevail. Claimed servicing would have to done in Canada.

As strange as it may seem, a "manufacturer warranty" is offered by the importer/distributor and not the manufacturer. Hyundai Canada is a separate company from Hyundai Motor America (even though both are owned by Hyundai Motor Company Korea). Partly because of this, the warranty terms are different in Canada (for example, the Hyundai Canada powertrain warranty is only 5 years or 100,000 kilometers which is 60K miles). Also, the speedometer and odometer will be in km, not miles.