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Suspension Issue - A new take

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Here is a Motor Trend article that bashes the BMW 550i's suspension. It is a review where the emphasis is on luxury. Mark and Doug...if you are out there...This one's for you. The articles that Mark and Doug refer to are comparing the Genesis with established sport sedans. Here is how the established sport sedans compare with Luxury sedans. I hope you all find this as interesting as I did...Enjoy and think of what you would feel like having spent 70k for this kind of ride.... Most intersting to me is the fact that no article that points out shortcomings in the Genesis suspension is anywhere near as scathing as this one on the BMW 550i. I guess what strikes me most about this article, is that the review actually states some of the symptoms described in the suspension issues post. It seems that maybe the Genesis is more like the BMW 550i than I thought. Kimchee is a spicy dish indeed.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._bmw_550i.html


"Unsurprisingly, the BMW, armed with active anti-roll bars and Continental summer tires, proves the sportiest of the bunch, offering the most engaging dynamics. "BMW sure knows how to put together a chassis," gushes Mortara, "this car just begs to be driven hard." St Antoine concurs, adding, "Surgical steering, with impressive feedback, nice weighting, and an agreeably quick ratio-point the wheels and they go there right now." Thus, the 550i is exceptionally fun and rewarding when slicing a serpentine stretch of asphalt, allowing us to explore the limits in a controlled, exuberant manner. Further, the ride over smooth surfaces is splendid, the car seemingly gliding along in complete serenity. And over rough roads? Better dial up the dentist.


"As soon as the asphalt cracks up, the ride shifts into hammer time-way too stiff for comfortable motoring, even if you're in attack mode," carps St. Antoine. Compared with the three-way-adjustable dampers in the Mercedes, the BMW's sole setting is significantly stiffer than even the E's tautest Sport 2 mode. Reynolds opines, "Over many areas of non-smooth surface, the car just goes into a blur." In addition to its intolerable ride over patchy pavement, the 550i disappoints with fatigue-inducing front seats, a still frustrating and unintuitive iDrive, a dark and cold cockpit, and a monster engine that somehow doesn't feel that monsterlike out on the road. Throw in a price tag that approaches 70 large, and the BMW is deemed best left in the cellar."
 
550i is advertised as "Half sedan, half racecar." The 525 and 535 are bit more civilized.
 
Yikes - sounds punishing indeed! That's one car I would not want for free! I don't recall ever referring to a particular comparison article in MT but perhaps I did. In any case my Genny is gone - traded it this evening. There's a beautiful, white 3.8 with 1,890 miles out there if anyone is looking!
 
Yikes - sounds punishing indeed! That's one car I would not want for free! I don't recall ever referring to a particular comparison article in MT but perhaps I did. In any case my Genny is gone - traded it this evening. There's a beautiful, white 3.8 with 1,890 miles out there if anyone is looking!

Still here then?
 
Yup - wanted to follow up with a couple of people with similar issues as mine - you don't have to be involved in the least if that annoys you - please go talk about seat coolers or exhaust tips or something.
 
Yup - wanted to follow up with a couple of people with similar issues as mine - you don't have to be involved in the least if that annoys you - please go talk about seat coolers or exhaust tips or something.

Just doesn't make any sense....get on with your life
 
Mind your own business - I came in here to send a private message and saw someone directly mentioned me in a post and returned a comment. I see you pop comments in almost every thread in here mostly to deny and poke fun at others. How do you have time in between working for Hyundai? Why are you so obssessed about an issue for which you have no concern or experience? Your like a school girl who can't stand to hear anything the least bit negative about your little baby car.
 
Mind your own business - I came in here to send a private message and saw someone directly mentioned me in a post and returned a comment. I see you pop comments in almost every thread in here mostly to deny and poke fun at others. How do you have time in between working for Hyundai? Why are you so obssessed about an issue for which you have no concern or experience? Your like a school girl who can't stand to hear anything the least bit negative about your little baby car.

I actually own a 4.6, so YES I have experience and NO I'm not concerned. Unlike you, I am NOT obsessed with this issue. You claim to be following up on some minor points, yet earlier today (or last night) you jumped into the 20000 Miles Update forum to spout off the SAME ridiculous crap about your alleged and mysterious issues. And it was NOT in response to anyone directing a question or comment to you.

And for the record, the ONLY person I've questioned here is you. So NO, I do NOT "pop comments in almost every thread to deny and poke fun blah blah BLAH BLAH BLAH..."
 
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550i is advertised as "Half sedan, half racecar." The 525 and 535 are bit more civilized.

Actually, the 550i is simply considered the "luxury V8" 5 series. The model you refer to as "Half sedan, half racecar" is the M5. If the luxury version gets this kind of review, one can only imagine how the M5 would rank with regards to firm ride. At least the Genesis has great seats.
 
Now we start measuring our Genny's against the bottom end of the stack to feel better? I don't know ...

The good thing is that the Geeny is am awesome car overall and whalloping is limited to a few select stretches of road. I am still hoping Hyundai will offer a fix at some point.

For the time being I can only advise potential buyers in the Seattle area to test drive i5 North mile 171 - 174 in the rigth two lanes. Vary your speed between 50 and 60 miles/hour depending on the load in the car. At least on my V8 that results in an interesting ride.

Cheers

Thomas
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Now we start measuring our Genny's against the bottom end of the stack to feel better? I don't know ...

Actually, quite the opposite. The "issues" that people site with their dissatisfaction with the suspension on the Genesis are shared with the BMW 550i, a 70k vehicle. I think it is pretty amazing that a car in the Genesis' price range seems to have a very similar ride to a rather high end vehicle.
 
Actually, quite the opposite. The "issues" that people site with their dissatisfaction with the suspension on the Genesis are shared with the BMW 550i, a 70k vehicle. I think it is pretty amazing that a car in the Genesis' price range seems to have a very similar ride to a rather high end vehicle.


I no longer own a Genesis 4.6 and , yes, I do check into this site from time to time purely out of curiosity, so, I suspect that some members may wish to disregard what I am about to say but here goes: The BMW 550i is a hard riding automobile but it does not porpoise or toss you around in the driver's seat and for that reason it cannot be compared, IMO, to the issues that some of us have experienced with Genesis ownership and just to be specific, I am referring to the 4.6 version.
:D
 
Now we start measuring our Genny's against the bottom end of the stack to feel better? I don't know ...

The good thing is that the Geeny is am awesome car overall and whalloping is limited to a few select stretches of road. I am still hoping Hyundai will offer a fix at some point.

For the time being I can only advise potential buyers in the Seattle area to test drive i5 North mile 171 - 174 in the rigth two lanes. Vary your speed between 50 and 60 miles/hour depending on the load in the car. At least on my V8 that results in an interesting ride.

Cheers

Thomas

Thomas, IMHO your experience seems quite credible. I think I've said that months ago. One quick question if you don't mind:
One person (that I know of, maybe there are more) had a Hyundai (not dealer) rep ride on his worst stretch of highway. Hyundai subsequently hooked up sensors to his car (see Illinois thread I think) on a later test, though I never saw those results posted here. Finally, my question...
Have you ever asked Hyundai to do the same with you?
Thanks.
 
I am about to pick up the car from the dealership right now and I can ask. They test drove the car yesterday and agreed that it is whalloping. They just said is performs as designed.

The dealerships can't really do anything about this unless Hyundai corporate announces a fix.

I have been thinking about an accelerometer test myself but I am not sure what I would do with the data. Is there a safety agency that can ground a car or force a recall similar to an airplane if you produce proof of unsafe behavior?

Cheers

Thomas
 
Is there a safety agency that can ground a car or force a recall similar to an airplane if you produce proof of unsafe behavior?

Good question. Proving a vehicle unsafe would be difficult I would think. Unfortunately in our country, someone has to be injured or killed and even then, it would have to be more than one and there would have to be a provable pattern. The best bet is to mount a class action suit. For that to be effective, you would probably need the name of some inside employee that would admit to suspension changes to "correct" something "wrong" in the suspension. We have one such member here who has that inside name. Maybe he can help you. Mark are you listening?
 
I am about to pick up the car from the dealership right now and I can ask. They test drove the car yesterday and agreed that it is whalloping. They just said is performs as designed.

The dealerships can't really do anything about this unless Hyundai corporate announces a fix.

I have been thinking about an accelerometer test myself but I am not sure what I would do with the data. Is there a safety agency that can ground a car or force a recall similar to an airplane if you produce proof of unsafe behavior?

Cheers

Thomas
Please do ask. All they can do is say no, and then you might contact Hyundai directly.
That 3 mile stretch of I-5 may be a killer for you, but it'll be interesting to hear what the company says. At the least, Corporate should be made aware of it.
Thx for the response.
 
Sorry, I missed the service people and they left the keys with the sales department. However, they wrote me a report about the issue with the conclusion "Operates as designed".

My boy has a Lego Mindstorm set and one of the robots he is planning to build requires an accelerometer. I guess this gives me the final push to buy that and then document the actual movement of the car. It might take a bit of time to get the part and learn how to programm it in the way to perform this task. Once I have this I will come back to ask where to send the data.

Cheers

Thomas

P.S.: They also listed all the results from the inquiry about the IIHS issues. They performed the reprogramming of the airbag deployment unit which should address the side airbag issue but there do not seem to be any part numbers in the system for alternate parts for the knee bolster or the front airbag unit. When I talked to the service manager he said he'd be happy to help if I can provide more info to track down replacement parts.
 
Actually, the 550i is simply considered the "luxury V8" 5 series. The model you refer to as "Half sedan, half racecar" is the M5. If the luxury version gets this kind of review, one can only imagine how the M5 would rank with regards to firm ride. At least the Genesis has great seats.
Nope, visit the BMW website. 550i, ""Half sedan, half racecar". I qutoted it for a reason.
 
Nope, visit the BMW website. 550i, ""Half sedan, half racecar". I qutoted it for a reason.

It is an advertisement...lol...a BMW advertisement at that. Well...according to Hyundai, the Genesis delivers a "quiet, refined, and comfortable ride." It is on their web site. They say it, so it must be so...lol. You have an amazing sense of humor. That is the funniest interpretation yet. Touche. If only the automotive press agreed with you or them for that matter. Anyone who has followed cars knows the real monster BMW 5 series is the M. The BMW advertisement you refer to also says the BMW 550i is "Perfection, perfected." If this is also true, then a rock hard, "knock your teeth out" suspension is perfect...yes? Doesn't change the fact the "perfection, perfected" suspension of the 550i exhibits the same characteristics you notice in your Genesis. Maybe you should have read the Genesis brochure before purchasing one? I needed a good chuckle...thank you!!!
 
It is an advertisement...
It's a description of the car. The point is that the 550i has a sportier suspension that the 525 or 535.

But as noted by the others in this thread and by Car and Driver the BMW (all trims) is stiffer than than the Genesis (no one has disputed that), but the BMW does not exhibit the same problems on certain roads that the Genesis does. Infiniti M also has stiffer, but more controlled ride than Genesis.

The problem with the Genesis is not the stiff ride. I don't find it too stiff when I hit one bad spot or bump on the road (I find it pleasantly firm). The problem is that it tends to oscillate with a little loss of control on certain roads. I don't think it is a "major" problem, but a lot more annoying that 99% of the other complaints on this forum, and it is one that is apparently being addressed by Hyundai in the 2010 model, so I can only assume that they agreed that the suspension needed some fine tuning.
 
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