5.0 L V8 Oil/Filter Change 2015

[kn5owa]

Everyone who has done the oil/filter change on the 2015 Genny V8 (including dealers) seems to agree that it is a first rate bear to remove the under panels that prevent ready access to the filter assembly and drain plug.

The long rear panel that covers the pan drain plug is particular hard to remove/replace.

My question is: Has anyone tried used something like the MityVac oil extractor to remove the oil on this engine? Then only the front panel has to be removed.

My thinking is the engine has a "cable" type dipstick and a convoluted dip tube to match, so the idea ain't so good.

Any ideas/experience?

 

[Midnightsun]

Problem is the panel needs to come off regardless to access the oil filter. I actually have a pretty good unit which I do not even use because of what I just said however this is used on everything else I own right down to the garden tractor. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200623859_200623859

 

[kn5owa]

The shop manual indicates that only the front panel (the easy one) has to be removed to access the filter ass'y.

 

[Mark_888]

Everyone who has done the oil/filter change on the 2015 Genny V8 (including dealers) seems to agree that it is a first rate bear to remove the under panels that prevent ready access to the filter assembly and drain plug.

The long rear panel that covers the pan drain plug is particular hard to remove/replace.

My question is: Has anyone tried used something like the MityVac oil extractor to remove the oil on this engine? Then only the front panel has to be removed.

My thinking is the engine has a "cable" type dipstick and a convoluted dip tube to match, so the idea ain't so good.

Any ideas/experience?

Yes, I have posted extensively about using a MityVac on the V6 and others have tried it on the V8 and say it works well (I believe including 2015 also, but not 100% sure).

However, make sure you get the model which uses an external air compressor (any small/cheap compressor will do) to create a suction. The hand pump units do not work well IMO.

Also, when you put the tube down the dipstick, you have to move it around a lot to make sure you get all the oil. If you do it right, you will extract more oil than can be removed with the drain plug.

 

[kn5owa]

Yes, I have posted extensively about using a MityVac on the V6 and others have tried it on the V8 and say it works well (I believe including 2015 also, but not 100% sure).

However, make sure you get the model which uses an external air compressor (any small/cheap compressor will do) to create a suction. The hand pump units do not work well IMO.

Also, when you put the tube down the dipstick, you have to move it around a lot to make sure you get all the oil. If you do it right, you will extract more oil than can be removed with the drain plug.

Mity-vac has 2 models - 7201 hand pumped and 7300 compressor powered. Maybe I will get one or the other and use my Sonata as the guinea pig.

It seems that the suction method for oil removal is also very popular at Mercedes dealers.

And this Edmunds thing is very interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/how-to/the-top-down-oil-change.html

 

[Mark_888]

Mity-vac has 2 models - 7201 hand pumped and 7300 compressor powered. Maybe I will get one or the other and use my Sonata as the guinea pig.

It seems that the suction method for oil removal is also very popular at Mercedes dealers.

And this Edmunds thing is very interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/how-to/the-top-down-oil-change.html

I believe MityVac has a lot more than 2 models, but the 7300 is the one you want (the one I have). Looks like $94 and free shipping on Amazon. You just need an air compressor. If you don't have an air compressor, a very small electric one will work fine.

I have tried 2 hand pump ones, and they will remove 80-90% of the oil, but very tough to get the rest out without constant suction. Also, the hand pumps eventually break, so they ended up in the trash can.

Yes, MB and BMW dealers typically use oil extractors to remove motor oil.

 

[kn5owa]

Yes, MB and BMW dealers typically use oil extractors to remove motor oil.

I think Genesis dealers may be using them soon - if not already.

Anyway - I ordered the MV 7300 - will see.

 

[xsolara]

I think you can cross off extracting oil from dipstick area.... I tried to do this using my own vac pump and the tube does not go down far enough..there seems to be something stopping the drain tube. (3.8L eng) I also tried on 2013 Elantra GT and it was the same problem.
If you notice the dipstick is a thin flex rod with a small indicator area...maybe it narrows as it get into oil pan???

 

[Mark_888]

I think you can cross off extracting oil from dipstick area.... I tried to do this using my own vac pump and the tube does not go down far enough..there seems to be something stopping the drain tube. (3.8L eng) I also tried on 2013 Elantra GT and it was the same problem.
If you notice the dipstick is a thin flex rod with a small indicator area...maybe it narrows as it get into oil pan???

Did you see what I posted? I have been using it for a long time, and others have used it on the Genesis V6.

I will admit, that on the Mityvac thin tube, it sometimes stops half way down, but you have sort of twist and force it to get it past where it gets stuck. The tube many need to be twisted because it has a natural curve in it (it is rolled up when stored).

What brand of pump do you have.

 

[xsolara]

Did you see what I posted? I have been using it for a long time, and others have used it on the Genesis V6.

I will admit, that on the Mityvac thin tube, it sometimes stops half way down, but you have sort of twist and force it to get it past where it gets stuck. The tube many need to be twisted because it has a natural curve in it (it is rolled up when stored).

What brand of pump do you have.

It's a home brew unit I made using a heavy duty diesel fuel pump. I have used it for years and works great. It worked on the 2012 Azera plus several other cars
On the 3.8L eng the dipstick tube has a small bend in it before it enters the pan.... the hose I'm using should have easily made past the bend to the pan.
It was a solid stop and I was afraid to force any further. Maybe thinner tube might make it but I have not been able to find one locally.

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[kn5owa]

It was a solid stop and I was afraid to force any further. Maybe thinner tube might make it but I have not been able to find one locally.

Maybe thinner tube (Home Depot) and warmer engine will work - also when removing oil - they say - loosen the filler cap.

Been doing a little google/youtube research - apparently the suction idea is going over big with dealers - makes oil change a no-brainer - wonder if they even bother changing out the oil filter?

 

[Mark_888]

It's a home brew unit I made using a heavy duty diesel fuel pump. I have used it for years and works great. It worked on the 2012 Azera plus several other cars
On the 3.8L eng the dipstick tube has a small bend in it before it enters the pan.... the hose I'm using should have easily made past the bend to the pan.
It was a solid stop and I was afraid to force any further. Maybe thinner tube might make it but I have not been able to find one locally.

The MityVac came with two different size tubes, and I have to use the smaller one. But I know what you mean by the "stop" and I sometimes have to plunge the tube up and down to get it past. I would try beveling the end of the tube and do make sure engine is warm.

 

[Mark_888]

wonder if they even bother changing out the oil filter?

That's one more reason why I change my own oil. I have the oil filter on top on my 2009 Genesis. On the 2015 V6, several people said it can be reached from the top, even though it is near bottom of the engine block.

 

[xsolara]

That's one more reason why I change my own oil. I have the oil filter on top on my 2009 Genesis. On the 2015 V6, several people said it can be reached from the top, even though it is near bottom of the engine block.

Yes it can be removed from the top. The v6 has enough room between the block and the radiator ...

 

[lobsenza]

I would think that a small removable panel could be designed to be easily removed to uncover the filter and drain plug. I am surprised Hyundai didn't design it this way.

 

[Midnightsun]

I would think that a small removable panel could be designed to be easily removed to uncover the filter and drain plug. I am surprised Hyundai didn't design it this way.

Agreed!

Wish it was like on my Mercedes. Filter is right there under the hood which drains automatically when you drain the oil, spin off the top and replace the cartridge. Hard to even spill a drop even if you try.

The dipstick tube is about 5/8. ID which serves as an oil extractor tube and therefor no need to insert a tube, just insert the Mercedes adapter into the top of the dipstick tube. The design is such that the dipstick tube is at the bottom of the lowest location of the pan. Fxxken Brilliant, can't get easier than this. It is so clean and simple I could change oil in a suit and tie.

 

[xsolara]

Agreed!

Wish it was like on my Mercedes. Filter is right there under the hood which drains automatically when you drain the oil, spin off the top and replace the cartridge. Hard to even spill a drop even if you try.

The dipstick tube is about 5/8. ID which serves as an oil extractor tube and therefor no need to insert a tube, just insert the Mercedes adapter into the top of the dipstick tube. The design is such that the dipstick tube is at the bottom of the lowest location of the pan. Fxxken Brilliant, can't get easier than this. It is so clean and simple I could change oil in a suit and tie.

Not a bad idea but the dip stick tube doesn't go to the bottom of the pan...so you leave a lot of oil in the pan

 

[kn5owa]

Not a bad idea but the dip stick tube doesn't go to the bottom of the pan...so you leave a lot of oil in the pan

My guess is that since Mercedes designed the dip stick tube from ground up for the purpose of changing oil - it did go to the bottom of the pan - probably had its own little sump for gathering oil.

On non-Merc's, you simply insert the plastic extraction tube down to the bottom of the pan. All the feedback I've seen indicates that the remaining oil is negligible.

 

[Mark_888]

Not a bad idea but the dip stick tube doesn't go to the bottom of the pan...so you leave a lot of oil in the pan

With the MityVac tube, and a little effort, you can get the tube to the bottom. Actually, the biggest problem is that tube is curved and it goes past bottom and back up again, so I just have to move the tube around a few times to make sure I got it all. I get more oil out via MityVac than I can with drain plug.

 

[Midnightsun]

My guess is that since Mercedes designed the dip stick tube from ground up for the purpose of changing oil - it did go to the bottom of the pan - probably had its own little sump for gathering oil.

On non-Merc's, you simply insert the plastic extraction tube down to the bottom of the pan. All the feedback I've seen indicates that the remaining oil is negligible.

Yep, eaxacly how it was designed. This is not the case on the Genesis and you do need to insert a small tube all the way down to the bottom of the pan.