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[Slip_Angle]

^ and the Type-S will cost lots more.

Genesis better step up pretty much everything in the G70 to outpace Hyundai and Kia models. They look SO attractive in terms of performance, features and value.

Nice for us enthusiasts!

 

[YEH]

^ The higher output 3.5TT should do the trick, but the 8 spd AT doesn’t shift as quickly as the wet DCT in the N-Line and the K5 GT.

 

[Beefer]

Not really...but oh so cool...

 

[Bill in Alexandria]

I SERIOUSLY considered the Audi S5 cabriolet. Sharp looking car and gets out of its own way. On Edmonds.com you can evaluate "True cost to own" to compare it with other cars you're interested in. I was concerned about reliability. No remorse. Completely content with the extra room and more reasonable fuel consumption of the G80.

 

[canucklehead604]

Not really...but oh so cool...

^ lol. another frankenbeast. all those other cars didn't stand a chance, tough to bracket that thing in most amateur comps. hilarious to see that brick defy physics and air resistance.

 

[Aquineas]

Throttle House review of the TLX. In short, underpowered, very pleasant, persnickety interior, handles pretty lively once you disable the ABS/traction control. Sounds like the chassis will be something to be reckoned with when the Type S comes along...

 

[canucklehead604]

^ yeah, you're probably right. the Type S might get a more liberal program to control its SH-AWD to push more power rearwards or allow a bit more 'rear steer'. i don't think removing fuses is really what people want to be doing. most owners wouldn't even know where to look.

surprised they didn't talk much about the weight of the TLX. they did mention the overall size, being a large car for the class, but the Accord they were comparing it to weighs ~600lbs less. ooof. i'm sure when they get to the head to head race, which they often do, the Accord will walk away.

 

[Slip_Angle]

^ yeah, you're probably right. the Type S might get a more liberal program to control its SH-AWD to push more power rearwards or allow a bit more 'rear steer'. i don't think removing fuses is really what people want to be doing. most owners wouldn't even know where to look.

surprised they didn't talk much about the weight of the TLX. they did mention the overall size, being a large car for the class, but the Accord they were comparing it to weighs ~600lbs less. ooof. i'm sure when they get to the head to head race, which they often do, the Accord will walk away.

 

[canucklehead604]

^ good find, and exactly what i expected. +600lbs does the TLX no favours. i recall test driving the Accord 2.0T 6MT before buying the G70 and it did feel quicker in a sneaky way. likely under-rated at 252hp. but those front tires were working hard...

odd results with the Sonata N-Line. with the dig race i was thinking that Hyundai's power rating was optimistic - since on the surface that race made no sense. but then it redeemed itself in the rolling race. clearly TH has it right - the N-Line has a restrictive launch mode and traction is a real issue so boost has to be cut.

 

[joschneider]

clearly TH has it right - the N-Line has a restrictive launch mode and traction is a real issue so boost has to be cut.

seem to be a pattern with hyundai/genesis/kia. Just the very soft launch in general. They must be real worried about warranties

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[canucklehead604]

^ makes sense. also probably explains why Hyundai restricts the frequency of launch mode. TH said you have to wait a few minutes between each 'launch'.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Yeah, it does make sense when you have a 10 year warranty. I've monitored the transmission temp while doing launches it certainly starts to climb. I could see it having some real heat issues if launched over and over. Having said that, from all of the 1/4 miles runs the Stinger group and Korean owners have done it certainly seems the transmission is tough.

 

[Backslack]

The Sonata N-line is a beast. C&D had it hit 0-60 in 5 seconds and 5-60 in 5.2 seconds. Runs the quarter mile in 13.6 seconds. It's the fastest FWD family sedan they've ever tested. If only it had AWD.

Tested: 2021 Hyundai Sonata N Line Powers Up the Family Sedan

A 290-hp turbo-four makes the Sonata N Line the quickest front-drive family sedan we've ever tested.

www.caranddriver.com

I hope Genesis throws in that 2.5T in the U.S. versions of the G70. Apparently there's been rumors that the European versions will have the 2.5T and 3.5TT, but we'll see.

 

[Backslack]

odd results with the Sonata N-Line. with the dig race i was thinking that Hyundai's power rating was optimistic - since on the surface that race made no sense. but then it redeemed itself in the rolling race. clearly TH has it right - the N-Line has a restrictive launch mode and traction is a real issue so boost has to be cut.

According to C&D, it was a glitch with the launch control on the pre-production model. They say they're fixing it on the final product:

After some investigating by Hyundai, they discovered a software glitch that limits torque if too much brake pressure is applied during launch starts. Our test car was a pre-production unit and Hyundai assures us the programming will be recalibrated for production cars.

 

[Aquineas]

Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Blackwing incoming.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Blackwing incoming.

My money says they are going to be great cars. The CTS-V and ATS-V were great and these will only be better.

 

[Aquineas]

My money says they are going to be great cars. The CTS-V and ATS-V were great and these will only be better.

Well they certainly have some pretty effective marketing! I bet they will be great cars that for whatever reason undersell.

 

[BadTrainDriver]

I bet they will be great cars that for whatever reason undersell.

The reason is going to be $$$.
The CT5-V Blackwing, optioned out, is going to be $125k+.
That's a lot of jack!

 

[Aquineas]

The reason is going to be $$$.
The CT5-V Blackwing, optioned out, is going to be $125k+.
That's a lot of jack!

Indeed it is. But I think it's something more than that, related to perceived brand value. Possibly unfairly, I don't think people associate the Cadillac brand with engineering prowess. I think Johan de Nysschen was on a trajectory to pay the very tangible dollar cost necessary to raise the intangible perception of the brand's engineering capability, but it takes a lot of money and blood, sweat, and engineering tears to undo years of badge-engineering and overall complacency. Unfortunately, GM grew impatient and pulled the plug on him (which I believe was a mistake). That is not to say the CTS-V and ATS-V won't be good- but will they be able to charge their value?

 

[Aquineas]

More on the new Caddies. I like that this video is engineer-to-engineer, even though Kornas gets one of the airflow questions wrong. Otherwise David Tracy's camerawork is terrible lol. At first glance, those interiors are pretty nice. Ugh, edit. That shiny carbon-fiber on the backs of the front seats is a.... miscalculation.

The Stick-Shift 668-HP CT5-V Blackwing And 472-HP Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing Are Cadillac's Last Hurrah For Loud Gasoline Fury - Jalopnik

This is the end. Cadillac, a brand with a rich history of stuffing gigantic gasoline motors under the hoods of luxury sedans, is about to call it quits on internal combustion, but not before going out with a bang. Well, two bangs, with one of them called the CT5-V Blackwing, a 668-horsepower...

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