2023 Genesis G90

[tww2021]

My Verbier White with Obsidian Black / Bordeaux Brown Two-tone interior g90 came out of PPF and tinting yesterday so I thought I'd share a few shots. I'll be updating this post with interior shots later.

For those curious I included a shot of the rear with all the badges removed because I preferred to do a full PPF wrap instead of using cutouts around the letters. I'll be putting the GENESIS logo back on but leaving the model designation and AWD off.

A guy also happened to have brought in a G90 after my car went in for PPF so there is a side by side shot with the two cars as mine cures.

WOW, it looks awesome!

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

Based on the wheel design I see that @sirace went with e-version and @moclippa with the base. Any comment from you, gents why you made that choice?
While I don't care much about the rear seat goodies, the air suspension would be the only thing that would entice me to go with the e-version. aNy comment on its performance vs the regular "adaptive" suspension?

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

Also for those with the e-version, how do you like/dislike the rear wheel steering? Is it as weird and annoying as Throttle House review makes it sound?

 

[moclippa]

Also for those with the e-version, how do you like/dislike the rear wheel steering? Is it as weird and annoying as Throttle House review makes it sound

I've not been driven in the car yet, but I've driven about 400km since I received the car, during which I've purposely made an effort to do several tight U-turns. In that time I did get the feeling that Throttle House described once, where it felt like you're drifting. At least from the drivers seat it wasn't annoying, it was just different.

Will update once I've had more time with the car and get driven in it a few times to see how I feel.

 

[moclippa]

Based on the wheel design I see that @sirace went with e-version and @moclippa with the base. Any comment from you, gents why you made that choice?
While I don't care much about the rear seat goodies, the air suspension would be the only thing that would entice me to go with the e-version. aNy comment on its performance vs the regular "adaptive" suspension?

No I have the supercharge version... In my market the supercharge version comes with those wheels.

I've not compared the two from a suspension perspective but I've been enjoying the multichamber suspsension. It performs about as well as I remember the w223 performing. I would absolutely not say that you do not feel the road. You certainly do, and it vibrates etc. But it is significantly more comfortable suspension than my GV80.

 

[SuperKing]

If it's like the G80 Sport Plus I got as a loaner, it'll feel weird... I can only describe it as boatlike... at city speeds, if I play with the wheel in a straight line, it feels like the rear steers faster than the front and was actually making me a bit queezy

 

[XXX]

If it's like the G80 Sport Plus I got as a loaner, it'll feel weird... I can only describe it as boatlike... at city speeds, if I play with the wheel in a straight line, it feels like the rear steers faster than the front and was actually making me a bit queezy

I always thought the new G90 resembled the G80.

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

I always thought the new G90 resembled the G80.

I guess it depends on your definition of resemblance. I owned Genesis(es) from the time it was a Hyundai model, including G80 and G90. While G90 is a total overkill for me, it was worth every penny in terms of ride comfort and build quality - way over that I experienced with G80. G80 outright rattled. It was a friggin' game of whack-a-mole. G90 was built totally solid, totally quiet (with an exception of the wind noise from the driver's side mirror, which took some time to pinpoint and fix). Again, everyone's mileage might vary and everyone gets the best balance of costs and benefits in their chosen car.

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

I almost know the answer, but well, maybe Genesis's done it right this time. For all genesises and now KIA K900 I used to own and own now every time before a trip I press 3 buttons - on-cruise, on-auto hold, off-auto engine off (this last one is only on KIA as previous g90 and g80 did not have it).

I presume Genesis still makes you press all these 3 every time and not remembering these as settings, am I correct?

For those with the e-version, how's the engine on/off function? On K900 it is very unpleasant.

 

[moclippa]

I almost know the answer, but well, maybe Genesis's done it right this time. For all genesises and now KIA K900 I used to own and own now every time before a trip I press 3 buttons - on-cruise, on-auto hold, off-auto engine off (this last one is only on KIA as previous g90 and g80 did not have it).

I presume Genesis still makes you press all these 3 every time and not remembering these as settings, am I correct?

For those with the e-version, how's the engine on/off function? On K900 it is very unpleasant.

I'm not sure what the on-cruise button is but my auto hold and auto engine off settings are set every time I walk into the vehicle. Unlike my GV80 which requires I press the auto hold button every time.

The engine on-off function is not apparent, I honestly don't notice it at all.

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[XBOHDPuKC]

I'm not sure what the on-cruise button is but my auto hold and auto engine off settings are set every time I walk into the vehicle. Unlike my GV80 which requires I press the auto hold button every time.

The engine on-off function is not apparent, I honestly don't notice it at all.

on-cruise = cruise control on

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

Umm... Did they dispense with the groceries hook in the trunk???

 

[moclippa]

on-cruise = cruise control on

Yeah in the Genesis you need to press the adaptive cruise control button as well as the steering assist button. Those two functions are treated separately.

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

Yeah in the Genesis you need to press the adaptive cruise control button as well as the steering assist button. Those two functions are treated separately.

I guess that makes 4 buttons to press... It's like a friggin' pre-launch checklist

 

[moclippa]

Some immediate driving impressions, 400km in:

The car is completely an unemotional experience, and I don't mean that as a negative; you just need to know what you're getting into. It is a car that is purpose built with one specific goal in mind. Comfort. Comfort at all costs. It feels like the team building this car had their bonuses contingent on the first year reviews, where if anyone would at any moment write a review describing any emotions other than bliss and comfort while driving this car, there would be repercussions. Too exciting.... and some young car designer in Korea would have his pay docked. Brake was too hard and you crumpled your suit?.... and that Korean car designer is getting thrown into the Squid games.

Seriously you are enveloped in comfort at every moment of the experience of this car but it doesn't want you to have any fun, it isn't going to roar its engine, because god forbid they annoy you with unnecessary sounds.... It isn't going to go anywhere too fast even if you slam down the pedal because they clearly spent a lot of time figuring out how to ensure the gearing didn't cause you to throttle back and ruin your carefully styled hair on the seat cushion. Driving dynamics?! No way! Clearly just an excuse for your chauffer to screw around with the car while you're off having a "meeting that ran overtime" with your kisaeng.

But by god it is comfortable. I mean really... I've just become hyper aware of things that I've never really focused on in other cars that now suddenly annoy me every time they impinge on the serenity of my drive. A bit of wind noise coming through the windows, and I'm cursing the designer who didn't quintuple pane the glass. Feel that bump on the road a bit harder than I imagined I would have liked to, and I'm prepared to call the Korean Consumer Protection Agency. Honestly I never paid attention to any of this stuff in a car before (other than a Jeep Wrangler, where you are hyper aware because of how horrible the experience is constantly). But now I find myself super honed in on every issue, no matter how minor, because it intrudes on the cocoon the car created for me the second I stepped in to it.

Hell, I've already rearranged my living room because it wasn't up to my standards of interior comfort after sitting in this car for a while. In fact I got to my office today, and started thinking about buying myself a new office chair because I was infinitely more comfortable in the car. It's just that good.

The car simply does not try to be anything other than what it is. It is a purpose built machine, with one goal in mind. Everything else is ancillary. And in that goal it succeeds in spades. I've been accused in the past of getting excessively annoyed at dumb motorists. Now if I get cut off and nearly driven over by a Dodge Ram TRX, I say "que sera sera", lean back, relax and ask myself if that TRX had in fact been the cause of my untimely death, whether I'd be this comfortable when I'm in heaven surrounded by my 72 virgins.

.... I was nitpicking some of these issues with someone the other day and they said I should try out the A8, because Audi spends more annually on R&D than any car company in the world, they've apparently perfected suspension and road/wind noise suppression (where mercedes, bmw, lexus and genesis fall behind). And I'll definitely be trying the A8 at some point to get a view on how those compare to the G90.

 

[Backslack]

An A8 is unimpressive and nothing more than a LWB version of the A6. I've driven the new A6 and the DCT transmission was terrible for a vehicle in its class, noticeably jerky at low speeds. Nothing like Porsche PDK. I will say that for a nose-heavy FWD-biased car, Audi did a decent job not making it an understeer fest, but I don't know if that will apply to the much larger more luxury-oriented A8.

The S8 is where the really impressive stuff is. You also have to upgrade to the S8 for the suspensions to be on par with the new G90's, because only the S8 offers the road-reading camera suspension which you can't get on the A8.

EDIT: Apparently the A8 does come with a torque-converter automatic. But it still has to settle with the "not Haldex" Quattro Ultra AWD from the A6 whereas the S8 is the real RWD-biased Quattro system.

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

Thoughts on the matte paint? my instinctive reaction is hell no, but maybe I'm missing something?

 

[moclippa]

Thoughts on the matte paint? my instinctive reaction is hell no, but maybe I'm missing something?

In terms of preference of color that's a personal choice. It was my second favorite color behind the Halassan Green (which I saw on paper but not in real life), and since they didn't have the green in stock I bought the matte white. Which in real life plays a bit of a visual trick makes this car look bigger and more substantial side by side with the glossy G90s in the showroom.

Matte obviously has its upkeep downsides, so you really need to PPF the car and be more careful with washing it.

I've personally never owned a matte or white car before (I never liked them) But I think on the G90 it looks amazing in real life, and in my mind they seem to have designed the car with this color in mind.

But again... its a personal choice. Ask yourself:
1. Are you prepared to deal with the upkeep of matte?
2. Are you prepared to pay a bit more to PPF the car?
3. Do you even like the color?

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

In terms of preference of color that's a personal choice. It was my second favorite color behind the Halassan Green (which I saw on paper but not in real life), and since they didn't have the green in stock I bought the matte white. Which in real life plays a bit of a visual trick makes this car look bigger and more substantial side by side with the glossy G90s in the showroom.

Matte obviously has its upkeep downsides, so you really need to PPF the car and be more careful with washing it.

I've personally never owned a matte or white car before (I never liked them) But I think on the G90 it looks amazing in real life, and in my mind they seem to have designed the car with this color in mind.

But again... its a personal choice. Ask yourself:
1. Are you prepared to deal with the upkeep of matte?
2. Are you prepared to pay a bit more to PPF the car?
3. Do you even like the color?

Thanks for the detailed response. I guess my approach to colors is quite laissez faire - it has to be easy to maintain clean. My last 2 cars were (and is) white and I totally love it. Now with that said, there's no way in hell I will have a white interior - and dealers keep getting those colors Oh, and the exterior CANNOT be black, period. I have a lot of respect to those who buy black cars and are ready to invest in its maintenance - I'm just not one of them

I hear that ppf'ing matte paint is almost a must as the scratches are highly visible and cannot be buffed out. Isn't ppf'ing matte paint makes the appearance glossy, thus negating the benefit of a matte paint to start with?

And since you have that matte paint, which type / brand ppf did you install? Another Q: I see you removed the letters before the wrapping, which makes perfect sense. How are you going to put them back on to ensure their perfect alignment and all that, i.e., do you have some kind of template or something?

 

[DaleNet]

No, you put a mat PPF on.