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Interesting. I had not heard of this testing standard. Thanks. I haven't read the linked article yet, but I wonder if it takes into account some more subtle things, like the amount of toe/foot room for the back seat passengers under the front seats? I think this may be one reason some cars seem roomier, despite the numbers.
That certainly could make a difference in the perceived comfort for a backseat passenger. Although, this sort of variances are precisely why mfrs and test agencies would use the H-Point Machine, which simulates a sitting person with properly-sized legs and feet, instead of sending an intern with a tape measure to do the job.

Another tell-tale matrix is the wheelbase:

G70 - 111.6"
C300 - 111.4 to 112.8" (I believe the later models have the higher number)
M340i - 112.2"

They are all within an inch or so of each other. No matter how ingenious each of these mfr's engineers might be, there is just no bucking physics. These 4-dr compact sport sedans with roughly the same WB are all gonna share very similar interior dimensional constraints.

At the end of the day, a customer could walk into a Genesis dealership, takes a look at a G70, tells the salesperson the rear seat is too cramped, then buys a GV70. That doesn't mean the G70 doesn't sell because the rear seat is too cramped. It simply means that customer really wasn't even shopping for cars like the G70 anyway. That just reflects the general trend of the motoring public gravitating toward SUVs.

Now... if a customer test drives a G70, then goes to buy a C-class or 3-series, then that is a legit loss of market competitiveness.
 
And evidently, based on the sales data, more buyers opt for similar vehicles (compact sedans) with roomier 2nd rows and trunks.

The Miata and Corvette aren't good comparisons since neither really have competition (altho, there have been complaints by taller drivers who no longer fit as comfortably in the current Miata as they did in previous iterations).

Otoh, as we have seen with Pony car sales, sales of the Camaro (once it switched to the Alpha platform) started falling off a cliff with the most common complaint being its unusable 2nd row.

Also, not a coincidence that the Pony car with the roomier backseat became the best seller despite being on an ancient platform and being well behind the Camaro and Mustang when it comes to handling.
Yes, I get all that. And that was really my point. People buy what they need. My point was that not everyone needs more back seat room.

My point was don’t bitch about the Genesis if doesn’t fit what you need, go buy something else. Give credit to Hyundai/Kia/Genesis. They build a mechanically identical Stinger for people who need or want more interior room
 
The discussion seems to be pretty simple to me. If you need more room buy a different car. I’m sure people on the Miata forum don’t bitch about the lack of rear seat room. Ditto the Corvette forum.

I bought the G70 because is is a true sport sedan. I don’t need anymore room. If I did I would have bought a different car.
That's exactly my case, I have no issues with room. I love my G70, for its performance, technology, looks, and price!
 
That's exactly my case, I have no issues with room. I love my G70, for its performance, technology, looks, and price!
It's me, wife, and our dog, PERFECT!
And as much as we liked our 23 G70 AWD w/ 2.0, we are infatuated w/ our current 21 3.3 RWD Sport Prestige, just a great overall sport sedan, and they nailed the styling as well (y)
 
I have been toying with looking at the BMW M2 as a replacement for my 22 G70 3.3L AWD. The M2 gets great reviews as a driver's car, but I am having trouble justifying the 10k minimum additional cost since it is lesser equipped and I really enjoy the G70. Anyone ever drive one for comparison?
 
I have been toying with looking at the BMW M2 as a replacement for my 22 G70 3.3L AWD. The M2 gets great reviews as a driver's car, but I am having trouble justifying the 10k minimum additional cost since it is lesser equipped and I really enjoy the G70. Anyone ever drive one for comparison?
I have considered it also, but not willing on paying that much. The M240 is actually damn near as fast as the M2, much cheaper, much better gas mileage. But I fully get the lust factor for the M2.
 
I have been toying with looking at the BMW M2 as a replacement for my 22 G70 3.3L AWD. The M2 gets great reviews as a driver's car, but I am having trouble justifying the 10k minimum additional cost since it is lesser equipped and I really enjoy the G70. Anyone ever drive one for comparison?
One thing to consider is whether or not the manual transmission in the M2 will help slow the depreciation. It might be more now but could be worth more when you sell. Obviously I don’t have a crystal ball but if you need a justification this could be one 😎
 
I test drove the G87 at the BMW Ultimate Driving Experience back in 2023/09. The highlight, of course, is the S58 engine. If you are a HP-junkie, it is for sure a very nice car. Personally, I prefer to have my fun in the corners, where I don't need 400-500HP. BMW tuned the chassis to hide its weight well. Handling is typical recent BMW, which is to say, excellent if not a bit clinical. In any case, I still cannot fathom why it has to weigh almost as much as the M4. Realistically, if I wanted a 2-door coupe with a BMW turbo6, I'd rather get the 500lbs-lighter GR Supra with the still very impressive B58. Plus it's less expensive... well, at least comparing sticker prices. From what I can gather, good luck buying a GR Supra at MSRP.

As much as I have dinked with the Stinger/G70 chassis, I know I can get a G70 to handle pretty darn close to the G87, for less than $3k. Half that, if I can sell the stock 19" boat anchors in exchange for a nice set of lightweight wheels. I don't mind paying extra $$, if it buys tangible benefits I care about, and I just don't see enough of it.
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I test drove the G87 at the BMW Ultimate Driving Experience back in 2023/09. The highlight, of course, is the S58 engine. If you are a HP-junkie, it is for sure a very nice car. Personally, I prefer to have my fun in the corners, where I don't need 400-500HP. BMW tuned the chassis to hide its weight well. Handling is typical recent BMW, which is to say, excellent if not a bit clinical. In any case, I still cannot fathom why it has to weigh almost as much as the M4. Realistically, if I wanted a 2-door coupe with a BMW turbo6, I'd rather get the 500lbs-lighter GR Supra with the still very impressive B58. Plus it's less expensive... well, at least comparing sticker prices. From what I can gather, good luck buying a GR Supra at MSRP.

As much as I have dinked with the Stinger/G70 chassis, I know I can get a G70 to handle pretty darn close to the G87, for less than $3k. Half that, if I can sell the stock 19" boat anchors in exchange for a nice set of lightweight wheels. I don't mind paying extra $$, if it buys tangible benefits I care about, and I just don't see enough of it.
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I've been curious about this since the G70 compares to the M340i and everyone says if you want the performance BMW is where it's at. I've never been in a sports level BMW (just some older 330i and SUVs that never impressed me).

It's made me wonder how close a G70 with eibach springs and sway bars is compared to an M340i. If you're comparing a G70 with suspension mods to their M2, I'd imagine the eibach kit by itself would be close if not better than the M340i.

It's just seemed silly to me to go with an M340i for horsepower and handling for $12k more money than a fully loaded G70 3.3t. I can get a full eibach kit for $850 and if I really wanted the horsepower the LAP3 ECU stage one is basically 450hp on their lowest tune, which is crazy, and I'd still be almost $10k cheaper than the BMW that comes with less features overall.
 
The look of the Supra never really appealed to me and the initial cost and cost of ownership of BMWs kept me away all these years. Being a bit older and having better resources I have thought about the M2, M3 or 340i M sport, with the M3 being the most desirable but also too expensive. I have read a lot on this forum and may be better served to consider lighter wheels, suspension, and brakes mods. There is zero chance I will be drag racing, but I do appreciate a car that accelerates and handles well.
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I've really given some thought to getting an M car but I when I think about all the costs, maintenance, complexity etc.. It feels like the experience would be relatively short lived because I would get worried the car would break and cost an arm and a leg to fix. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm on the M340i group and I have noticed that owners don't tend to stay in them very long. Excited at the beginning and then they sell them... Not entirely sure why but that's the trend.

I strongly considered the IS500 because the V8... and its a Lexus... but was underwhelmed during the test drive. To be fair, I didn't really get to know the car.

The G70 just seems to check all the boxes that meet my requirements right now...and it's relatively inexpensive.
 
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I've been curious about this since the G70 compares to the M340i and everyone says if you want the performance BMW is where it's at. I've never been in a sports level BMW (just some older 330i and SUVs that never impressed me).

It's made me wonder how close a G70 with eibach springs and sway bars is compared to an M340i. If you're comparing a G70 with suspension mods to their M2, I'd imagine the eibach kit by itself would be close if not better than the M340i.

It's just seemed silly to me to go with an M340i for horsepower and handling for $12k more money than a fully loaded G70 3.3t. I can get a full eibach kit for $850 and if I really wanted the horsepower the LAP3 ECU stage one is basically 450hp on their lowest tune, which is crazy, and I'd still be almost $10k cheaper than the BMW that comes with less features overall.
Stock, the Sport Prestige 3.3T is closer to the M340i. The M2/3/4 are at another level. Yes, I'm only comparing on chassis dynamics with available G70 mods.

Eibach sport springs and anti-roll bars (mine are Whiteline) were exactly what we started with. IMO, for purely street applications, that is the ideal setup. Ride quality is just about exactly the same as stock suspension, and the slightly stiffer springs rates (~10-12%), along with the lowered CG really helped to reduced the wallowing on turn-in and squatting on power-on corner exit. When you start pushing the limits, the stock shocks become the Achille's heel. Those of you with electronic suspension can at least firm up the damping rate, but even then, the adjustments are overall and not front-rear independently adjustable, needed for fine-tuning cornering attitude. If Koni/KYB/Bilstein made aftermarket adjustable shocks, that would solve this issue. But... apparently most Stinger/G70 owners are lowering just for looks, so nobody care to buy shocks, so the majors haven't bothered. That is a shame. Independent damping adjustment is one of the best tool for chassis tuning for optimum vehicle dynamics.

The saving grace is that coilovers are available. That is what we migrated to. With ours, the front camber plates allow for up to about 3degs of negative camber. If this were a track car, I would dial in max allowable (especially for 18" tires), but ours are everyday drivers, so we settle for between 1.5 and 2.0deg, so we don't chew up our street tires.

Wheels and tires, or course, make the most difference. Ironically, that is also the easiest thing to upgrade. So too are brakes. With good brake pads, the stock Brembos work just fine, albeit for the lighter weight trims of the G70 line, around 3600 lbs (or below, with mods). G70 V6 AWD pushing 3900-lbs, and especially 4000-lbs Stingers, really need larger rotors and 6-pot front, IMO.

As far as HP/TQ go, even the 2.0T with our 6MT is plenty enough for the HPDE we are after. We don't drag, and we don't do roll-on grudge matches with the Stangs and Scats. We get our kicks carving corners and doing slice and dice at the track. With the 8AT, the 2.5T hits the sweep spot for me. But I can certain appreciate the appeal of the stout 3.3T. That's where I think BMW has the upper hand. Some of the S58s are pushing 560HP stock, and they are know for underrating their engine output. I might not care, but there are plenty that do.
 
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As y'all know by now, i just took delivery of my second G70 yesterday. Consider the four cars i owned directly before my 2021 G70…..

2017BMW 540 M Sport
2016 Audi A7 Sport
2015 Audi A7 Sport
2012 BMW 550 M Sport

I did give thought to an M2 or M340 again this time. But what you are getting for the extra $10K is the engine. It truly is as good as the BMW crowd says it is. Maybe better.

But what I learned with the Genesis, and why i bought a second one, is that its not just about the fact you save a butt load of money, it really is every bit as good of a car as the S4 and M340.

We could nit pick that the BMW is a little quicker, get better gas mileage or whatever is important to each of us. Buy for everything the BMW is a little better at the G70 has its own “little bit better at” strengths. I push my G70s pretty hard on some really good “technical” roads that I know really well. Its handling (Sport package) is fabulous.
 
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I could see them discontinuing the G80, but not the G70. I see a lot more G70s around than 80s. I would be surprised if they really do kill it. Then again, it could just be people in my area prefer G70s.
In North Scottsdale I see more G80s but even more GV80s.
 
As y'all know by now, i just took delivery of my second G70 yesterday. Consider the four cars i owned directly before my 2021 G70…..

2017BMW 540 M Sport
2016 Audi A7 Sport
2015 Audi A7 Sport
2012 BMW 550 M Sport

I did give thought to an M2 or M340 again this time. But what you are getting for the extra $10K is the engine. It truly is as good as the BMW crowd says it is. Maybe better.

But what I learned with the Genesis, and why i bought a second one, is that its not just about the fact you save a butt load of money, it really is every bit as good of a car as the S4 and M340.

We could nit pick that the BMW is a little quicker, get better gas mileage or whatever is important to each of us. Buy for everything the BMW is a little better at the G70 has its owned “little bit better at” strengths. I push my G70s pretty hard on some really good “technical” roads that I know really well. Its handling (Sport package) is fabulous.

Nice to hear your perspective. I test drove the M340i, S5, C43 and IS500. All have their strengths and I can appreciate them for what they bring to the table. The G70 just checked more boxes for me. I'm on my second.
 
In North Scottsdale I see more G80s but even more GV80s.
I live in a small town but a nice country club neighborhood. There are several GV80s in our neighborhood. I very seldom see any Genesis cars anywhere in our city, but it is mostly older folks. I‘m 71 and i probably bring the average down 😉. I did see a newer G90 today though.
 
what you are getting for the extra $10K is the engine. It truly is as good as the BMW crowd says it is. Maybe better.
B58 and S58 are indeed spectacular engines. To some they are worth every penny of that extra $10k. I like good power but I am not a HP junkie. For the same reason a 600 Supersport is a better canyon carver than most literbikes, in tight twisties, that 500HP straight-six just adds more dead weight. I fact, the latest G87 M2 tips the scale at 3,747 pounds, whereas the previous-gen F87 M2 weighs in at 3,296 pounds. If I wanted a BMW 2door Coupe, I'd rather get a GR Supra, instead of the overweight M2.

That's why even though I could've gotten a 3.3T for almost the same money, I went with the 2.5T instead. When it comes time for me to get another G70, the 2.5T will likely get the nod.
 
B58 and S58 are indeed spectacular engines. To some they are worth every penny of that extra $10k. I like good power but I am not a HP junkie. For the same reason a 600 Supersport is a better canyon carver than most literbikes, in tight twisties, that 500HP straight-six just adds more dead weight. I fact, the latest G87 M2 tips the scale at 3,747 pounds, whereas the previous-gen F87 M2 weighs in at 3,296 pounds. If I wanted a BMW 2door Coupe, I'd rather get a GR Supra, instead of the overweight M2.

That's why even though I could've gotten a 3.3T for almost the same money, I went with the 2.5T instead. When it comes time for me to get another G70, the 2.5T will likely get the nod.
And you do know that I have a CBR1000rr 😜
 
And you do know that I have a CBR1000rr 😜
Nice. The Fireblade has always been a literbike that rides "small", in more sense than one. Dunno about the latest gen, but past Fireblades fitted my small frame better than most other 1000cc's. Plus they felt nimbler and lighter on their feet than, say, the ZX10R and RSV1000R Factory I've had. IMO all these 210+HP literbikes of today are just nuts. Good for bragging rights is 'bout it. If my driveway drains into FM336 (or Mulholland Drive, if I were so lucky), I wouldn't need - or want - anything more than a Daytona 675R.

And it'd probably park next to a ND2 Miata.

But I'm not so lucky, so that's what the big sport touring bikes - and the Stinger/G70 - are for. :)
 
I went from seven years of a 1199 Panigale that i owned when i was in Houston. The only good thing about sport bikes in Houston is having a lot of wide open roads to wring it out through the gears.

I was still in Houston when I bought the CBR, but have been in the Hill Country the past three years, 20 minutes to the closest “sister”. I never was really uncomfortable for 200 mile rides on the Panigale, but the CBR is more comfortable. The CBR is a bit more nimble, but the Panigale was extremely stable and overall a better handling bike. But on public roads the differences really dont matter much. To your point, handling and speed at the limits are for bragging rights.
 
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