Electric GV70

[descartesfool]

40,000 cycles in 8 years? Not really relevant for an EV. In 8 years there are only 2920 days. If you drive 100 kms per day, you might be charging every 3 days so that's less than 1000 cycles. Likely most people would be using much less full charging cycles in 8 years, perhaps 500-750. NASA stuff might be interesting for satellites, but for me something from Genesis on their own batteries is more relevant. The battery charging is controlled by the car's ICCU and monitored for temperature and rate all controlled by a battery conditioning unit. It would be nice to see something from Genesis that there might be a battery longevity issue with AC charging at 11 kW or less to 100% charge. The lower the charge rate, the lower the heat generated in the battery. DC charging at a 50-350 kW rate is vastly different than 6-11 kW AC charging rate. I found nothing in the owner's manual or any Genesis online document related to battery longevity vs AC charge %. EV Battery warranty is for 8 years in Canada and covers battery capacity being at least 70% of new. The expectation is that battery capacity goes down over time based on usage, but by how much actually.

 

[oilerlord]

I wasn't looking to enter a debate, only provided an example of one study out of dozens available on the subject of charging to 100%. In short, and notwithstanding other factors (number of cycles, ambient temperature, charging rate, etc.), they generally conclude there is benefit in avoiding it.

To what extent, well...keep googling if you're looking to arrive at a definitive answer. If you've made up your mind that you will always charge to 100%, that's fine too.

I'm guessing there is no right and wrong as Genesis likely user-proofed the battery via it's BMS to offer that amazing 10-year / 100K mile warranty regardless how people choose to charge their batteries.

Why Genesis (Kia, Hyundai, Tesla, etc) decided to allow owners to set their own charge limits, is curious though. Perhaps it's only because it's a well-known best practice to not leave the battery fully charged for extended periods. Perhaps it's because they figured give customers what they want.

Anyway, enjoy your car. From what I see it's an amazing machine.

 

[Wolf359fb]

I wasn't looking to enter a debate, only provided an example of one study out of dozens available on the subject of charging to 100%. In short, and notwithstanding other factors (number of cycles, ambient temperature, charging rate, etc.), they generally conclude there is benefit in avoiding it.

To what extent, well...keep googling if you're looking to arrive at a definitive answer. If you've made up your mind that you will always charge to 100%, that's fine too.

I'm guessing there is no right and wrong as Genesis likely user-proofed the battery via it's BMS to offer that amazing 10-year / 100K mile warranty regardless how people choose to charge their batteries.

Why Genesis (Kia, Hyundai, Tesla, etc) decided to allow owners to set their own charge limits, is curious though. Perhaps it's only because it's a well-known best practice to not leave the battery fully charged for extended periods. Perhaps it's because they figured give customers what they want.

Anyway, enjoy your car. From what I see it's an amazing machine.

I don't remember exactly where I got this from, but there's always a 3% buffer of the battery that is not used, to help with long term longevity. So basically, every time you charge to 100%, you're effectively at 97%, but every calculation of range is based on that 97% of available capacity. How that small 3% makes that much of a difference is not something I have details about, sadly, but we often see usable capacity vs total capacity in EV battery technical descriptions.

 

[oilerlord]

Yeah, well aware as my B250e had a 36 kWh battery but only 28 kWh usable. Of note, there was a model that had a range + option that allowed you to charge and access the entire 36 kWh, but the manual specifically stated not to use it often as it shortened the battery's lifespan.

 

[oilerlord]

So, I took my wife to see the GV70e - she didn't like that it was a large vehicle, about the same size as our X3. Coincidentally on the way back we came up behind a copper GV60. Wife said "Wow, what's that?"

Decision made.

 

[oilerlord]

I want one...

 

[steveinarizona]

So, I took my wife to see the GV70e - she didn't like that it was a large vehicle, about the same size as our X3. Coincidentally on the way back we came up behind a copper GV60. Wife said "Wow, what's that?"

Decision made.

Exactly my attitude. I was on the waiting list for a Lucid Air when the GV60P popped up in my neighborhood. It met as many of my desires as the Lucid, just different ones. The big positive for me is that I wanted a small vehicle and the Lucid is too large for me, In BMW terms (I traded in a 5 series for the GV60P) it is the length of an X2, the width of an X3, just a tiny bit lower than an X2 and the power of an M car. I call it my "little pocket rocket).

The only negatives for me were two: (1) the range which isn't really a negative for me since it meets and exceeds all of my local driving needs and I will rent an ICE car for intercity trips until the charging infrastructure gets significantly better); and (2) the handling (compared to the Lucid sedan). The GV60P is a little floaty for me and I hope to at least partially fix that by changing out the tires when I wear down the Primacy tires to Pilot tires. But that is compared to driving a sedan. On the other hand, it hit a bunch of my key targets: Luxury including lots of buttons and switches; small size; powerful; Headup display; loaner service when my car needs service (apparently this differs widely by dealer: mine has been good at Genesis of Scottsdale); lots of customization features; easy exit/easy entry (now available on the Lucid but not when I got my GV60P); etc. It allegedly can do self parking but I don't know since I haven't used that and don't plan to but it does have a feature that while I haven't had to use it yet, I do like: one can use the fob to stand outside of the car and back it out of a parking space if some ahole has parked too close to the driver's door of my car.

Aside from size, the biggest difference between the EGV70 and the GV60 is that the 70 is designed to be either an ICE or EV vehicle whereas the 60 was designed from the ground up as an EV. They have the same power train.

I predict that you and your spouse will be fighting over who gets to drive the GV60 instead of the X3.

 

[SebringSilver]

This looks like a lot of fun!

 

[Wolf359fb]

This looks like a lot of fun!

Indeed it does, Koreans are on fire with EV's!

 

[oilerlord]

I predict that you and your spouse will be fighting over who gets to drive the GV60 instead of the X3.

She already calls the Lexus UX250h "her" car. The GV60 will be no different

We're going to head out to North Scottsdale and visit the same dealership you bought your car at, and take one out for a drive. In my experience dealing with the Porsche and other dealerships in the area - they seem a cut above the lot lizards in Mesa.

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[steveinarizona]

She already calls the Lexus UX250h "her" car. The GV60 will be no different

We're going to head out to North Scottsdale and visit the same dealership you bought your car at, and take one out for a drive. In my experience dealing with the Porsche and other dealerships in the area - they seem a cut above the lot lizards in Mesa.

My previous cars were BMW. While I have had excellent service from Genesis, it is still not quite up to the BMW service standards. Out here in North Scottsdale Penske has just about all the alien luxury brands: Porsche, Audi, BMW, JLR, MB, Ferrari, RR, etc. But Genesis of Scottsdale has served me well. And, unfortunately, the new BMW electrics drive great but are butt ugly.

Genesis of Scottsdale has moved its showroom to an upscale mall near my house: Scottsdale Quarter. They are currently sharing the Hyundai service building but there is a separate service building going up for Genesis next to the Hyundai dealership, about 3 miles from the showroom.

If you guys would like to grab a cup of coffee or something when you are here, let me know.

 

[Blitz118]

I made the switch from GV70 gas to GV70 electric.

 

[Wolf359fb]

I made the switch from GV70 gas to GV70 electric.

Congrats, nice car and I like the color, I believe it is now available here too but first year production of the EV we only had from black to white and no colors, it was a bit like fifty shades of grey...!

I hope you enjoy, personally after almost a year I really still dig it.

 

[Blitz118]

Congrats, nice car and I like the color, I believe it is now available here too but first year production of the EV we only had from black to white and no colors, it was a bit like fifty shades of grey...!

I hope you enjoy, personally after almost a year I really still dig it.

I'm enjoying this electric car more than the gasoline version. The ride is smoother, and the power is superior.

 

[SebringSilver]

I made the switch from GV70 gas to GV70 electric.

Was your gas powered GV70 a 2.5T or 3.5T?

 

[Wolf359fb]

I'm enjoying this electric car more than the gasoline version. The ride is smoother, and the power is superior.

I never tried the ICE version, the numbers for acceleration and sound measurements speak from themselves but as for the ride, could it be the extra weight of the battery that makes it feel more buttoned down (On the other hand it would be a disadvantage when come the curves)?

 

[SebringSilver]

I never tried the ICE version, the numbers for acceleration and sound measurements speak from themselves but as for the ride, could it be the extra weight of the battery that makes it feel more buttoned down (On the other hand it would be a disadvantage when come the curves)?

The electrified version has a much stiffer body, 24% to be exact, so the car feels much more solid and flexes far less. Suspension tuning was also tweaked to accommodate the greater acceleration and heavier weight. The day they can make EVs weigh roughly the same as an equivalent ICE car will be a true game changer.

 

[Wolf359fb]

The electrified version has a much stiffer body, 24% to be exact, so the car feels much more solid and flexes far less. Suspension tuning was also tweaked to accommodate the greater acceleration and heavier weight. The day they can make EVs weigh roughly the same as an equivalent ICE car will be a true game changer.

Indeed, at the same time I'm not sure all drivers need that much power. I mean by that two things:

- A cheaper and slower Electrified GV70 trim would be more attainable and popular. On the other hand Genesis doesn't see itself as much as a mass market producer (The likes of Acura or Lexus) but more of a niche player with more exclusivity (Like Porsche, but without the recognition or pedigree yet). I mean, Audi gets away with a considerably slower Q4 e-Tron, Genesis could too.

- I'm a bit scared of the potential this brings with regards for wrong manoeuvers. Last year my wife and I saw and old lady ride her Altima in the door of a dollar store (Probably got confused with her transmission/pedals), and I couldn't help but think if someone did the same with my car, with the extra weight and power it might make it halfway through the store instead of stopping at the entrance... Not everybody needs or can handle that level of performance. I know it's some sort of selling point to help adopt EV's that they can make a lot of ICE cars bite the dust, it's like a crazy horsepower war out there, but there are drivers out there that are just ill-equipped to deal with that (Wether they should still have a licence is another question)...

But yes, nimbler in the curves would be even nicer...

 

[Blitz118]

Was your gas powered GV70 a 2.5T or 3.5T?

It was the 3.5T.

 

[Blitz118]

Indeed, at the same time I'm not sure all drivers need that much power. I mean by that two things:

- A cheaper and slower Electrified GV70 trim would be more attainable and popular. On the other hand Genesis doesn't see itself as much as a mass market producer (The likes of Acura or Lexus) but more of a niche player with more exclusivity (Like Porsche, but without the recognition or pedigree yet). I mean, Audi gets away with a considerably slower Q4 e-Tron, Genesis could too.

- I'm a bit scared of the potential this brings with regards for wrong manoeuvers. Last year my wife and I saw and old lady ride her Altima in the door of a dollar store (Probably got confused with her transmission/pedals), and I couldn't help but think if someone did the same with my car, with the extra weight and power it might make it halfway through the store instead of stopping at the entrance... Not everybody needs or can handle that level of performance. I know it's some sort of selling point to help adopt EV's that they can make a lot of ICE cars bite the dust, it's like a crazy horsepower war out there, but there are drivers out there that are just ill-equipped to deal with that (Wether they should still have a licence is another question)...

But yes, nimbler in the curves would be even nicer...

Using their right foot, the driver has complete control over the vehicle's power. I don't want to see a GV70E version that is lower-powered, cheaper, or less sophisticated. I particularly enjoy the constant power that allows for strong and consistent acceleration without any transmission issues. I ease off the pedal when I don't require as much energy. It would be great if the battery could provide a more extended driving range, and I believe this might be addressed in the upcoming refresh.