535 v genesis V8

[Skywagon]

Nextcar,
Understand. If you want more power and afford a 535 then, again, get an R-spec, 300HP vs. 429HP and a V8's torque. I drove both the 4.6 and R-Spec back to back and the 8 speed R-spec transmission is almost seamless in the auto mode. One thing about both the 4.6 and the R-Spec is in manual both transmissions lag considerably, about a second, after throwing the handle to another gear, up or down. BMW's don't do that but my wife's Cayenne S, with paddle shifters, lags as well. If anyone wants to make a "chip" for the Genesis, they should concentrate on the transmission. It's plane old annoying how long it takes to shift.

 

[TJPark01]

The new single scroll turbo inline 6 has not had the reliability issues of the previous N54 engines used in last generation 5 series. The car has been out for 2 years now and there hasn't been been the problematic issues with the fuel pump. Unfortunately other electronic gremlins still plague BMW's as a whole and I've had my share. Nothing major, but still annoying.
The 535i and V8 Genesis are about even in terms of power, but the 535i puts in down in a more sporty, controllable way. However, the Genesis has been hassle free and cost half as much as the loaded 535i I bought.

 

[acoga]

One thing about both the 4.6 and the R-Spec is in manual both transmissions lag considerably, about a second, after throwing the handle to another gear, up or down. BMW's don't do that but my wife's Cayenne S, with paddle shifters, lags as well. If anyone wants to make a "chip" for the Genesis, they should concentrate on the transmission. It's plane old annoying how long it takes to shift.

I was surprised about the "hmm, let me think about it for a few moments" reaction from the transmission when manually shifting my R-Spec. As much as I love that engine, it is most definitely not a sport sedan.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Today, I traded my 2011 BMW 535xi for the R-Spec. Manager's demo, black/black, 2,000 miles. While I enjoyed the beauty and the precision of the BMW, I didn't enjoy some of the software gremlins lurking in the car, and the prospect of owning it out of warranty. I owned it 13 months and put 22,000 miles on it.

I'm exhausted from grinning so much with the Genesis I haven't had time to miss the BMW. Snows have to go on next week.

I'll review soon and post pictures.

 

[TJPark01]

Today, I traded my 2011 BMW 535xi for the R-Spec. Manager's demo, black/black, 2,000 miles. While I enjoyed the beauty and the precision of the BMW, I didn't enjoy some of the software gremlins lurking in the car, and the prospect of owning it out of warranty. I owned it 13 months and put 22,000 miles on it.

I'm exhausted from grinning so much with the Genesis I haven't had time to miss the BMW. Snows have to go on next week.

I'll review soon and post pictures.

Did you have the throttle tip in thing, or was it something else?

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Did you have the throttle tip in thing, or was it something else?

The tip-in issue was fixed with an update that caused other problems. With all the little things I experienced, I began to lose confidence and patience. After a while, it reaches an unacceptable level. I knew I would take a huge beating in depeciation (which I did) but better now than later, I thought.

I'll PM you a picture of the new car on Bimmerfest.

 

[TJPark01]

The tip-in issue was fixed with an update that caused other problems. With all the little things I experienced, I began to lose confidence and patience. After a while, it reaches an unacceptable level. I knew I would take a huge beating in depeciation (which I did) but better now than later, I thought.

I'll PM you a picture of the new car on Bimmerfest.

What other problems did you have with the car. I have had some minor electrical issues but all have been fixed in a timely manner and the car runs great. Did you have the pull to the right thing or RFT bubbles?

 

[EXBMWGUY]

What other problems did you have with the car. I have had some minor electrical issues but all have been fixed in a timely manner and the car runs great. Did you have the pull to the right thing or RFT bubbles?

18" wheels standard suspension - no problems with bubbles. X drive - no problem with steering. Tip- in corrected with s/w update. New problems: telephone steering wheel controls stopped working consistently; Nav screen didn't ever start in the same place twice at startup.

Also, engine vibration at idle;
engine rpm surge at startup;
turbo whine upon deceleration;
None of these are huge problems like other F10 owners have reported. Because my background is electronic manufacturing design, I am even more critical than most people -- it's the lack of repeatability in mfg., premature release of software before it's ready and thoroughly tested, lack of uniformity of SA training and dealer standardization, and if that's not quite enough, there is a general arrogance and lack of complete honesty that honors their relationship with their customers. Their cars are beautiful, but I vote with my wallet. In this case, I voted for Hyundai and against BMW.

 

[TJPark01]

18" wheels standard suspension - no problems with bubbles. X drive - no problem with steering. Tip- in corrected with s/w update. New problems: telephone steering wheel controls stopped working consistently; Nav screen didn't ever start in the same place twice at startup.

Also, engine vibration at idle;
engine rpm surge at startup;
turbo whine upon deceleration;
None of these are huge problems like other F10 owners have reported. Because my background is electronic manufacturing design, I am even more critical than most people -- it's the lack of repeatability in mfg., premature release of software before it's ready and thoroughly tested, lack of uniformity of SA training and dealer standardization, and if that's not quite enough, there is a general arrogance and lack of complete honesty that honors their relationship with their customers. Their cars are beautiful, but I vote with my wallet. In this case, I voted for Hyundai and against BMW.

I hear you loud and clear. There is a straightforwardness about the Genesis that you will learn to really appreciate. Have you gone on the service website yet? It actually tells you how to fix the car, torque settings, fluid capacities and more. BMW holds that information like it's the Holy Grail.

http://www.hmaservice.com/

 

[bradyb]

I shopped Jag BMW MB as well as Vettes the new Camaro etc. I ended up with the 4.6 B/B simply because of its value. It's (the Genny) a great car for the money. I agree with some fellow posters that the v-8 sounds more European - I have some minor modds made and when I apply 94-96 rsm/2 octane they really show. my 0-60 is faster than an R spec and mileage best is an 80mph hwy 35.9 for a 90 min commute--- tough to beat those... the ONE caveat IMO is the transmission. The ZF trans is great for what it does but i would really like to have something with a double clutch and in the range of handling 600lbs of torque - i know, i know, i know....I'm just saying.... I can just imagine the 4.6 with 6lbs of boost and bigger injectors, a double clutch trans and a 0-60 of 3.3 seconds!

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[EXBMWGUY]

I hear you loud and clear. There is a straightforwardness about the Genesis that you will learn to really appreciate. Have you gone on the service website yet? It actually tells you how to fix the car, torque settings, fluid capacities and more. BMW holds that information like it's the Holy Grail.

http://www.hmaservice.com/

No I haven't seen it yet. Haven't even registered the garage door opener with the Homelink yet! Thank you!

 

[MrLucky]

Picked up a '12 V6 with the Tech and Prem packages this week. Titanium/black.

I believe I will like this car a lot. Quiet, quick, comfortable, "purty" and nicely put together.

My last luxury car was an XJR Jaguar. Ran perfectly and very fast. Handling was good and the feel of luxury was all around you.

I think Hyundai has done well to compete in the lower end of the luxury market with their Gennesis sedans.

I am planning a few hundred mile trip next month. Will report my driving experience.

P.S. I found the tires over pressure also. They had the left rear at 45, the others at 38.

 

[MrLucky]

Picked up a '12 V6 with the Tech and Prem packages this week. Titanium/black.

I believe I will like this car a lot. Quiet, quick, comfortable, "purty" and nicely put together.

My last luxury car was an XJR Jaguar. Ran perfectly and very fast. Handling was good and the feel of luxury was all around you.

I think Hyundai has done well to compete in the lower end of the luxury market with their Genesis sedans.

I am planning a few hundred mile trip next month. Will report my driving experience.

P.S. I found the tires over pressure also. They had the left rear at 45, the others at 38.

 

[bradyb]

Picked up a '12 V6 with the Tech and Prem packages this week. Titanium/black.

I believe I will like this car a lot. Quiet, quick, comfortable, "purty" and nicely put together.

My last luxury car was an XJR Jaguar. Ran perfectly and very fast. Handling was good and the feel of luxury was all around you.

I think Hyundai has done well to compete in the lower end of the luxury market with their Genesis sedans.

I am planning a few hundred mile trip next month. Will report my driving experience.

P.S. I found the tires over pressure also. They had the left rear at 45, the others at 38.

what was your final decision to go with a Gen vs a Jag? The cars are worlds apart. My thoughts were: " It's ( the Jag) is a wonderful car but felt disconnected from the driving experience"; much akin to being in a paneled home library with a fire, cognac and a pipe...... truth be told though if $ were no object I'd be driving a Bentley Continental Gt Speed... and probably with some stupid custom paint job.......
~B

 

[wjakridgeii]

I like my Genesis, but miss my 2007 525i. I like the drive better from the BMW and the seat holds you better than the Hyundai. I bought the Hyundai because of the price point. If money was not an option, I would have bought the 2012 535i. Hyundai will not match up to a BMW ever. They are not really trying, as much as some people want to believe on this board.

 

[Cut-Throat]

I like my Genesis, but miss my 2007 525i. I like the drive better from the BMW and the seat holds you better than the Hyundai. I bought the Hyundai because of the price point. If money was not an option, I would have bought the 2012 535i. Hyundai will not match up to a BMW ever. They are not really trying, as much as some people want to believe on this board.

Depends on what you consider 'Match Up'.....My friend's 2011 535i has spent a lot of time at the dealer fixing problems. I have not had a problem with my 2011 Genesis. So, in this regard the Genesis does not 'Match Up'. It doesn't match up; for me it's a far superior car.

Same with my Lexus 2007 GS350......Too much time in the Shop. I'll take my Genesis Reliability any day!

 

[TJPark01]

Depends on what you consider 'Match Up'.....My friend's 2011 535i has spent a lot of time at the dealer fixing problems. I have not had a problem with my 2011 Genesis. So, in this regard the Genesis does not 'Match Up'. It doesn't match up; for me it's a far superior car.

Same with my Lexus 2007 GS350......Too much time in the Shop. I'll take my Genesis Reliability any day!

I was worried about the year 1 Genesis reliability. I had to replace the head unit, but since that and some TSB service, the car has been completely trouble free. I have done a few DIY maintenance things on the Genny myself and the replacement procedures are very straightforward

The 5 series has a lot more complexity, which makes it a better (and more expensive) luxury car, if and when everything works properly. But it was 30k more than the Genesis. So it really depends what you want from a car. I think the Genesis vs 535i is 90% of what anyone needs at 60% of the price, and that's what makes it such a compelling package.

 

[YEH]

I like my Genesis, but miss my 2007 525i. I like the drive better from the BMW and the seat holds you better than the Hyundai. I bought the Hyundai because of the price point. If money was not an option, I would have bought the 2012 535i. Hyundai will not match up to a BMW ever. They are not really trying, as much as some people want to believe on this board.

The F10 is not nearly the same driver's car as the E60 and w/ the next gen Genesis (which is being designed w/ the Euro market in mind), the Genesis will get sportier.

I wouldn't say ever, but it may take some while; but I think the new compact RWD sedan that Hyundai is developing will be close to the 3 Series (not as good as the 3er but better than the C Class).

 

[acoga]

A slightly different perspective to keep in mind: Lexus has sold more luxury cars in the US than either BMW or Mercedes for the past 8 years. If you were a product planner, would you take aim at the German cars or would you instead emulate the virtues/characteristics of the sales leader?

I personally would be happy if future Gennies drove and handled more like BMWs, but I can certainly see the business thinking that could drive a decision to be more Lexus-like in execution.

 

[TJPark01]

A slightly different perspective to keep in mind: Lexus has sold more luxury cars in the US than either BMW or Mercedes for the past 8 years. If you were a product planner, would you take aim at the German cars or would you instead emulate the virtues/characteristics of the sales leader?

I personally would be happy if future Gennies drove and handled more like BMWs, but I can certainly see the business thinking that could drive a decision to be more Lexus-like in execution.

No mistake about it. from the 4.6 power plant to the dimensions, right down to the same $hitty dunlop tires. The Genesis benchmarks the LS460, minus the completely disconnected ride.