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Re: watching dvd while car in motion

Very true.

Exceeding the speed limit is illegal as well. The "moderator" should "moderate" and move the 'side' discussion (ie, harassment) to the Lounge area. If I ask a question on a technical subject I don't need moral or ethical DEBATE, public forum or not. As I said before, we're all adults here, and we can ask and exchange technical information without the harassment from a morality "know-it-all"...public forum or not, asking a technical question (and answering one) is no justification to be attacked with name-calling, etc. Moderator, MODERATE.
 
Re: watching dvd while car in motion

Sounds like we have touched a nerve from the entitled ones. Exhaust cutouts are maybe annoying but in no way put the public at risk. Watching movies while driving on an illegally modified dash screen does in fact put the public at risk, probably more so than speeding in certain cases and certainly as much as texting or putting on makeup or reading a book or even possibly drinking. Those that commented against this should take comfort in the fact that they will never cross paths with those selfish enough to put their own wants in front of the safety of their family and the motoring public in general. I personally could'nt care less about who makes your payments or whose car it is. I see these screens on all the time particularly in cars with the giant wheels and the bumper rattling stereos, I just call the Highway Patrol and report the tag number and location and let them handle it.
 
Re: watching dvd while car in motion

Doesn't matter. Once the line got crossed into name-calling, you ceased to be a moderator. And I'll call you on it.

I thought that this forum would be good place to ask and exchange technical information, not a forum for being judged as an idiot or fool simply because I choose (or choose not to) to do something that somebody else doesn't like, or a legalist who will point out anything 'wrong' with what I wish to do. We're adults here, so behave like adults. Spare us the LECTURES.

:cool:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 
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Re: watching dvd while car in motion

Doesn't matter. Once the line got crossed into name-calling, you ceased to be a moderator. And I'll call you on it.

I thought that this forum would be good place to ask and exchange technical information, not a forum for being judged as an idiot or fool simply because I choose (or choose not to) to do something that somebody else doesn't like, or a legalist who will point out anything 'wrong' with what I wish to do. We're adults here, so behave like adults. Spare us the LECTURES.

:cool:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
You're not worth my time. However... I never called you any names, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR.

Good luck. I hope that if you do plow into a tree, you don't take anyone else with you.
 
Re: watching dvd while car in motion

Exhaust cutouts are maybe annoying but in no way put the public at risk. Watching movies while driving on an illegally modified dash screen does in fact put the public at risk, probably more so than speeding in certain cases and certainly as much as texting or putting on makeup or reading a book or even possibly drinking.

Who said anything about the driver watching the screen? My daughter, sitting in the center rear, absolutely loves the screen when it's playing while parked.

BTW - exhaust cut outs permanently damage my ears. And people modifying halogen headlight housings with aftermarket HID lights can temporarily blind me and can cause me to crash.:rolleyes:

The above is the similar level of rhetoric you're using for somebody having a DVD screen visible from the front.
 
Re: watching dvd while car in motion

This is a recurring tech subject in most, if not all other forums I've been a member of or visited. To no surprise, the technicity of the original subject usually takes the same legal/safety tangent as it did here, which says something about behavior predictability. The fact is that most of these head units are programmed with the option for VIM and it's turned off in the US or other countries where it's illegal.

Whether legal or not, is not a question of right or wrong necessarily, as there are laws in some states related to our bedroom behavior that would make many of us felons or at least misdemeanants :D. Also, bringing this or any other issue to a personal level and/or thread hijacking is bad forum etiquette. It was a simple question which should have yielded good tech discussion with another thread open for safety discussion.

The safety issue is a valid point but I wonder how neat it would be if I was a car manufacturer with a powerful lobby and the ability to charge $1200-2000 for an option that costs $200-300 at retail to attach to our cars' headrests with Velcro or other adjustable strap. Ironically, wouldn't that address the safety/legal issue for the same or less money than VIM without the technical complexity or risk of voiding the warranty?

At the end of the day, there are so many different directions this discussion could go on, therefore, let's stick to the subject as some of you suggested and open other threads for the tangents.
 
Re: watching dvd while car in motion

Calming words, but what would any forum thread be without tangential, as well as derivative points?
 
Re: watching dvd while car in motion

Just when I think I'm going to stirr up the pot I'm accused of being "calming" :D.

As proof to both our points, I see you're also part of this separate VIM discussion here http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=2450&page=3

Same tangents, derivatives, name calling, and drama...never thought VIM was such an emotionally charged subject. That's entertainment.
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nb_mike I agree there are people texting and driving something that is very dangerous. Having this mod on my car is not going to change the fact that these people exist. I will assure you that you won't have to worry about me, and comparing this to texting is not a valid comparison, see my points below. On my post i mentioned 2 use cases : sitting in traffic (not driving) , and for passengers watching on long trips.

Driving is dangerous in general and to be a safe driver you have to manage risks. Risks when driving are distractions within the cockpit (most of which you can control) as well as external risks (that "idiot" texting in the car next to you driving into your lane, or someone running a red light, etc). I am a pilot, and I race motorcycles, two things were you are constantly managing risks. That is the most important thing you can do to be a safe driver is manage risk.

I can't speak for anyone else but in my case just because I have a car with this mod doesn't mean my eyes are glued to a screen watching a movie. The car has a great 7.1 surround sound with 11 channels of audio piped through 17 speakers. It is great to listen to and for my passengers to watch.

Do you ever do one or more of the following:
  • look at your navigation map screen while driving
  • check your blindspot
  • look in your side mirrors
  • look in your rear view mirrors
  • look at your passenger when they talk to you
  • Take your eyes off the road for 1 or more seconds
  • Talk on your cell phone

If you answered yes to any of those you are just as dangerous as the someone who has this modification done to their car. Driving comes first, if you want to glance at a screen that your passengers are watching for 1 or 2 seconds when you are (name your scenario: stuck in traffic, driving with no one around you, have the ability to look away from the road without harm to yourself or others around you) that is a risk, the same risk you take when you move your eyes of the road to perform any of the tasks above.

I left texting out of that list because that it a completely different scenario that shouldn't even be compared to this. Texting is an active activity usually two hands on the phone and eyes off the road looking at a small screen.

All the aforementioned activities above were really just passive activities where you, the driver, are taking in information from various inputs in the car. Mirrors, passenger conversations, information around your vehicle, cars pedestrians, blind spots are all sources of information you need to process. If adding another source of passive information (keep in mind this source already exists in the form of an 8in nav screen which you can already look at for radio information, navigation information,etc), if you switch that video source from "nav" to "dvd" and all the sudden the driver loses their ability to manage risks anymore, then I would argue that person shouldn't have this mod. If the driver is unaffected by that particular scenario then they will be fine and you won't have to worry about them on the road because they are a good driver who understands how to manage risk. I hope i am making my point, sometimes its hard to understand without having had a system like this in your car before. Again if someone is truly watching a movie and that is taking priority over their driving then they shouldn't have this unit.

Drive Safe.
 
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Re: watching dvd while car in motion

Your kind words touch my heart. :o

Just to be "clear", I never said that I (that is ME, personally) was going to be the one driving AND watching the "DVD in motion" or eating popcorn or clipping my toenails or washing my hair. The fact that it is "there" does not mean that it will be problem for ME. When I drive, I concentrate on DRIVING. So that we're all CLEAR here. :D

I did not accuse you of name calling. Clearly, one of the functions ("duties, if you will) of a FORUM moderator is to STEP IN and issue 'warnings' to those that step outside the bounds of etiquette or forum rules.


You're not worth my time. However... I never called you any names, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR.

Good luck. I hope that if you do plow into a tree, you don't take anyone else with you.
 
Re: watching dvd while car in motion

+10

Good points. If you want to see vehemence, name-calling, or just plain yellin' (that does NOT involve politics or religion), just pick out a motorcycle board and search for the threads that have to do with installing a CAR tire on the back of a motorcycle. I too am a pilot and I too ride a motorcycle. Currently I own a Suzuki Burgman 650, and some of the most "spirited" conversations involve users who have "gone to the Dark Side" and installed a motorcycle tire on the rear of their motorcycles. Now, all physics and design intentions aside, if you as much point out that there might be a traction problem there, or a safety issue, or an insurance issue, or whatever, you will usually be denounced as an idiot who has not tried it - therefore you cannot comment on it. IN about all cases, it's the moderator who has to step in and issue warnigs or delete entire posts. Just do a search and see what you find. LoL...



This is a recurring tech subject in most, if not all other forums I've been a member of or visited. To no surprise, the technicity of the original subject usually takes the same legal/safety tangent as it did here, which says something about behavior predictability. The fact is that most of these head units are programmed with the option for VIM and it's turned off in the US or other countries where it's illegal.

Whether legal or not, is not a question of right or wrong necessarily, as there are laws in some states related to our bedroom behavior that would make many of us felons or at least misdemeanants :D. Also, bringing this or any other issue to a personal level and/or thread hijacking is bad forum etiquette. It was a simple question which should have yielded good tech discussion with another thread open for safety discussion.

The safety issue is a valid point but I wonder how neat it would be if I was a car manufacturer with a powerful lobby and the ability to charge $1200-2000 for an option that costs $200-300 at retail to attach to our cars' headrests with Velcro or other adjustable strap. Ironically, wouldn't that address the safety/legal issue for the same or less money than VIM without the technical complexity or risk of voiding the warranty?

At the end of the day, there are so many different directions this discussion could go on, therefore, let's stick to the subject as some of you suggested and open other threads for the tangents.
 
Bring it on!
:p

QuantumRift, I'll have to try a motorcycle forum if that's the case. Lively forums have no demographic boundaries either. Go ck out MBWORLD. The tuning trash talk between vendors a year or two ago was funny as s**t.

Hey Philth, I'm getting teary eyed already :grouphug:

To all...That's enough of my two cents, if I don't get back on topic, I'm part of the problem.

The head units have an engineering menu which, if the subject is searched, i believe can be found in this forum. What I'm not sure of is whether it has a VIM option or whether it can be turned on. Now Geek-wannabes beware, I've been known to do this with another car and "play" with engineering options. Only to accidentally leave the DVD region in another country because the code would only allow three country changes!! After numerous phone discussions with dealer management, manufacturer management and the US-based lead electronics engineer, the manufacturer agreed to replace the unit on their coin, which I never "played" with again and out the door went my desire to have VIM.

Lesson learned: do your homework before installing a piggy back VIM or playing with the engineering menu.

Btw, I'm not bragging about my debating skills. I consider myself LUCKY to have gone through that, unscathed.
 
My VIM arrived Friday and I made an attempt to install it this morning. Getting the plastic cover from off the front of the unit wasn't too difficult with a plastic knife and a plastic grapfruit knife. You can pry it out enought start popping out the fasteners. Easy process.

I had a problem as I had disconnected the factory wiring harness...the fiber optic cable retainer would not easily release from the connector, so I set the head unit on a couple of towels on the console (you have to move the shifter to N to give enough room). Anways, I went to get another small tool (paperclip) and whilst I did, the unit tipped and hung by the wire cable that goes to the center of the unit. It's like an "L" connector, with a bit of cheap shrink wrap on it. Anyways, when it tipped over, the cable pulled up a bit and the small wires in the bundle slipped between the cheap round metal 'sheath' screwed to the back of the unit. When I got back I saw it and examined them...the wires are flimsy inside the cable, smaller than Cat5 wires (network engineer). the metal was split and the crimp job was bad, so the wires slid between the two sharp parts of the small "tube" of the conector and sliced thru the insulation on the wires. Well, that wasn't good, so I removed everything I'd done, normalized things, and put it all back together and while the audio works fine, the VIDEO on the display is jacked up. It changes as I go over bumps. It's a badly designed cheap connector, that even had I not removed the head unit, I could see where there could be serious problems with it, causing video outage, blocky bad colors, etc. So I'll replace the cable and try again. NO big deal.






QuantumRift, I'll have to try a motorcycle forum if that's the case. Lively forums have no demographic boundaries either. Go ck out MBWORLD. The tuning trash talk between vendors a year or two ago was funny as s**t.
 
Re: watching dvd while car in motion

Sounds like we have touched a nerve from the entitled ones. Exhaust cutouts are maybe annoying but in no way put the public at risk. Watching movies while driving on an illegally modified dash screen does in fact put the public at risk, probably more so than speeding in certain cases and certainly as much as texting or putting on makeup or reading a book or even possibly drinking. Those that commented against this should take comfort in the fact that they will never cross paths with those selfish enough to put their own wants in front of the safety of their family and the motoring public in general. I personally could'nt care less about who makes your payments or whose car it is. I see these screens on all the time particularly in cars with the giant wheels and the bumper rattling stereos, I just call the Highway Patrol and report the tag number and location and let them handle it.

I hope you pull over to make that call because if not you are a hypocrite for distracting yourself while driving and putting people lives in danger. ;)
 
Re: watching dvd while car in motion

+10

I hope you pull over to make that call because if not you are a hypocrite for distracting yourself while driving and putting people lives in danger. ;)
 
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