2015 Genesis 3.8 vs 5.0

[jimb100]

Its too bad you have to drive a V6 because you can't handle a V8 in winter.

But to say you wouldn't drive a Grand Marquis sounds farfetched. What would you have been driving 25 years ago?

Everything you've written says Grand Marquis, unless you tell me you're an LTD kind of guy, which would also make sense.

 

[ksoze]

They said something about those car washes using really high pressure and it damaging paint I can find the links I just really would hate to dig through my history and try to find vids I watched 3 months ago.

The damage from salt and other corrosives left on a car is worse than water being sprayed on the car. I would not be fearful of a touchless wash if done infrequently. The worse thing that can happen is the harsh soaps which will strip the wax off the car over time.

 

[Nikgen]

Its too bad you have to drive a V6 because you can't handle a V8 in winter.

But to say you wouldn't drive a Grand Marquis sounds farfetched. What would you have been driving 25 years ago?

Everything you've written says Grand Marquis, unless you tell me you're an LTD kind of guy, which would also make sense.

Once again, you show that you know nothing about AWD - it's benefits can be realized in all kinds of road conditions: dry, wet, snowy, etc.,. That may not be important to you, but it is to many others. Gee, - just like V8 power is important to some, but not others. Oh... wait... sorry, I forgot - you can't handle that fact.

BTW, 25 years ago, I was driving a Toyota Celica GT-S so you could not be farther off wrt the cars I've owned - but that makes sense as everything you've written says pompous, arrogant, presumptuous and not someone I care to interact with, even in an Internet forum. Have a happy new year, life, etc.,

 

[Nikgen]

Your absolutely correct I don't know the car very well and dont claim that at all. That drl subject was a thread that I made to ask questions if I recall correctly. Your also correct about there being no evidence of induction sound being tweeked. My question to you is do you honestly think that if they wanted to, they couldn't have made it just as quiet as the v8? If your answer is they could have then it was tweeked.

Actually, what you appeared to be suggesting was that they tweaked ths V6 to make it sound more aggressive - I disagree. I believe they just tuned the engine and intake to get the best balance for low end torque and driveability (as they stated in their promotional materials) and didn't worry too much about the sound. The fact is that the V8 is just a smoother, quieter engine. Could they have made the V6 as quiet? I don't know - maybe? But that would have been tweaking - the current sound is not (imho).

 

[MoabGen]

The damage from salt and other corrosives left on a car is worse than water being sprayed on the car. I would not be fearful of a touchless wash if done infrequently. The worse thing that can happen is the harsh soaps which will strip the wax off the car over time.

Leaving the salt on the car is clearly not an option, thus it comes down to touchless or touch. I think the decision is easy, although, to a prior point made, I also read that touchless car washes can cause scratches in the paint do to the high pressure and the water being reused (filtered). If I were driving a $75K+ sports car that never saw a drop of precipitation, then I can understand why people would want to avoid these, but hand washing is out of the question in the winter.

 

[Fight4Hemp]

Actually, what you appeared to be suggesting was that they tweaked ths V6 to make it sound more aggressive - I disagree. I believe they just tuned the engine and intake to get the best balance for low end torque and driveability (as they stated in their promotional materials) and didn't worry too much about the sound. The fact is that the V8 is just a smoother, quieter engine. Could they have made the V6 as quiet? I don't know - maybe? But that would have been tweaking - the current sound is not (imho).

Do you really think they spent half a billion dollars on design and that they didn't even consider the induction sound within the cabin? With the low end torque they was mainly talking about why they lost horsepower. There is no maybe about it they could have made it louder or quieter. All I'm saying is they made it extra loud on purpose expecially noticable after driving in the v8.

 

[ksoze]

I also read that touchless car washes can cause scratches in the paint do to the high pressure and the water being reused (filtered).

I have read the same and find it a stretch that water being pushed against a car can cause a scratch. What about a driving rain storm? The recycled water in those washes would have such small particles remaining not already filtered, the effect on paint would be negligible. Most reputable sources I have read do not buy into that theory and recommend touchless washes over a contact one or no washing at all.

 

[Midnightsun]

Reality is hand washes do more damage than touchless pressure washes. Unless you are religious in cleaning your brush/mitt which will never be absolute you are actually wet sanding with that aging tool. This is obviously exaggerated but rather true. You would need to change or machine wash your mitt after every wash to keep things as close to perfect as possible but we all know 99.9% of us do not go to this extreme. One of the most important tools is a grill several inches from the bottom of your wash pail which will allow the grit to settle and not be picked up by your washing media each time you dunk. Like this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRIT-GUARD-...:g:L9sAAOSwVFlT9Pwp&item=271582394789&vxp=mtr This is about as extreme as I get. I prefer to change cars every 3-4 years or whenever the Gen3 comes out. Heck, if the Genesis SUV is a looker and has power I may jump styles.

 

[Fight4Hemp]

. Unless you are religious in cleaning

I also think someone who doesn't know how to wash a car would do alot less damage using touchless. To be honest I been washing my cars wrong for years till I looked it(thanks youtube). I still swear that drying your car with your leaf blower is one of the coolest tricks I have ever used.

 

[Focusin]

I too was washing all wrong for years. With black paint, I now use three bucket method.

One small bucket for wheels, one bucket with soap and a rinse bucket with double grit guard. Filling 3 instead of one is not much extra effort.

Once I'm ready to final rinse I take the nozzle off the hose and let the water sheet off the car. This dries about 3/4 and the rest I do with dedicated microfiber towels.

A leaf blower is a great way to go but it has to be clean lest you be firing high powered particles at your paint. A good test is to point the blower at your face, if your skin doesn't peel off, you're good to go A cheap, dedicated blower is a good idea.

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[Nikgen]

Do you really think they spent half a billion dollars on design and that they didn't even consider the induction sound within the cabin? With the low end torque they was mainly talking about why they lost horsepower. There is no maybe about it they could have made it louder or quieter. All I'm saying is they made it extra loud on purpose expecially noticable after driving in the v8.

I think they found the induction noise to be in line with what one would expect from a high revving V6 and had no reason to try to mask it.

Comparing it to the V8 is doesn't prove anything as they are completely different engines with completely different intake systems.

Thinking that they intentionally tweaked it to make it louder just makes no sense based on how the car is positioned - but believe whatever you decide makes sense to you.

 

[Fight4Hemp]

I too was washing all wrong for years. With black paint, I now use three bucket method.

One small bucket for wheels, one bucket with soap and a rinse bucket with double grit guard. Filling 3 instead of one is not much extra effort.

Once I'm ready to final rinse I take the nozzle off the hose and let the water sheet off the car. This dries about 3/4 and the rest I do with dedicated microfiber towels.

A leaf blower is a great way to go but it has to be clean lest you be firing high powered particles at your paint. A good test is to point the blower at your face, if your skin doesn't peel off, you're good to go A cheap, dedicated blower is a good idea.

just got to make sure the filter is clean and test it on my hand, it would be a crime against humanity if I damaged my face but I see your point expecially on black paint.

 

[jimb100]

Once again, you show that you know nothing about AWD - it's benefits can be realized in all kinds of road conditions: dry, wet, snowy, etc.,. That may not be important to you, but it is to many others. Gee, - just like V8 power is important to some, but not others. Oh... wait... sorry, I forgot - you can't handle that fact.

BTW, 25 years ago, I was driving a Toyota Celica GT-S so you could not be farther off wrt the cars I've owned - but that makes sense as everything you've written says pompous, arrogant, presumptuous and not someone I care to interact with, even in an Internet forum. Have a happy new year, life, etc.,

Wow! Pot-Kettle? But anyway, its clear from your remarks you are not a driving enthusiast or even someone knowledgeable about cars and performance. It does kind of make sense that you drove a wannabe sports car 25 years ago and now drive a V6 Genesis with AWD sapping even more power. But then again, at your current age 25 years ago you would have been driving that Grand Marquis, everything you post says its true.

Certainly I can handle the fact that AWD is important to some drivers, mostly those driving in very snowy conditions as its of very little benefit in the dry unless you are taking your AWD Genesis off road, which I don't doubt you may claim next.

So in closing, you can take your bad attitude and shove it, this year, next year and on into the future.

 

[Nikgen]

Wow! Pot-Kettle? But anyway, its clear from your remarks you are not a driving enthusiast or even someone knowledgeable about cars and performance. It does kind of make sense that you drove a wannabe sports car 25 years ago and now drive a V6 Genesis with AWD sapping even more power. But then again, at your current age 25 years ago you would have been driving that Grand Marquis, everything you post says its true.

Certainly I can handle the fact that AWD is important to some drivers, mostly those driving in very snowy conditions as its of very little benefit in the dry unless you are taking your AWD Genesis off road, which I don't doubt you may claim next.

So in closing, you can take your bad attitude and shove it, this year, next year and on into the future.

Bad attitude? I've only responded to your incessant belittling of V6 owners. Your posting history speaks for itself - you presume things that are so far from the truth that it's comical. So enjoy your V8 with the suspension that offered such meaningful performance improvements that they discontinued it after 1 year. I'll enjoy the car that works for me.

 

[ksoze]

So enjoy your V8 with the suspension that offered such meaningful performance improvements that they discontinued it after 1 year.

Would not jump to conclusions why the ECS suspension was dropped. I believe it was a economic choice as was the dropping of the rear power shades. The ECS was never properly "sold" and many buyers who were already complaining about loud low profile tires and rough rides were not going to need a more sporty suspension.

 

[Nikgen]

Would not jump to conclusions why the ECS suspension was dropped. I believe it was a economic choice as was the dropping of the rear power shades. The ECS was never properly "sold" and many buyers who were already complaining about loud low profile tires and rough rides were not going to need a more sporty suspension.

I know - and it might have some value. I was just trying to make a point about how some talk up the CDC suspension as the be all/end all but minimize the more obvious benefits of AWD. Will just ignore the V6 haters for 2016 now.

 

[jimb100]

Bad attitude? I've only responded to your incessant belittling of V6 owners. Your posting history speaks for itself - you presume things that are so far from the truth that it's comical. So enjoy your V8 with the suspension that offered such meaningful performance improvements that they discontinued it after 1 year. I'll enjoy the car that works for me.

Discontinued because of guys like you who only want the cheapest "luxury" car you can find.

Its guys like you who give New Jersey the reputation it has. Why not buy yourself a '96 Camaro and take your personality all the way.

Incessant belittling of V6 owners? You did nothing more than create a strawman there. Your constant belittling of V8 owners as wasteful and unnecessary is more like it.

But like I said, that's the typical New Jersey guy for you. Well, Bayonne, anyway.

 

[Nikgen]

Discontinued because of guys like you who only want the cheapest "luxury" car you can find.

Its guys like you who give New Jersey the reputation it has. Why not buy yourself a '96 Camaro and take your personality all the way.

Incessant belittling of V6 owners? You did nothing more than create a strawman there. Your constant belittling of V8 owners as wasteful and unnecessary is more like it.

But like I said, that's the typical New Jersey guy for you. Well, Bayonne, anyway.

Wow - talk about twisted reality - I've not been belittling V8 owers. Please do post all of the links that show where I have constantly belittled V8 owners - especially show me where I said the V8 was wasteful? I've just called out specific V8 owners like you that try to make ridiculous statements like the V6 power makes it unsafe for merging on highways.

I've actually specifically said I understand why folks might want a V8 for the extra power/performance.

All someone has to do is check our posting histories and they can see who is the one that belittles others - as is very obvious in your last several posts. I'll call it a day with you at that so I don't get tempted to sink to your low class/level of personal insults.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Buy the V8. You'll be very happy with it.

Some people here say you don't need the V8. That's true. Technically, you don't need a lot of things you have, but they make life nicer.

Also, the people who say you don't need a V8 don't own one and never have. Its hard to take them seriously when you know they have no basis for comparison. I've owned and driven lots of 6 cyl cars. We also have a Lexus with a 6 cyl engine. The Genny with the 8 is the way to go, if you can afford it.

I've owned a car with a 775hp V8 and I'm happy with my V6 Genesis and tell people all the time - they don't need the V8... So?

 

[Midnightsun]