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2015 Genesis Sedan - V6 AWD 60-90 MPH

Looking at it another way that zero substance answer they give can also be a stock answer to most questions. If they truly believe the V6 will make up 90% of sales, I am not sure there is room for a real R-Spec, when this 2015 5.0 is essentially an R-spec using the previous requirements. Taking on the luxury market is one thing, to the go after the high performance sport market would likely mean some major changes - no way a different name will do it this time.

IMO a stock answer would have been more along the lines of 'we're not looking into it at this point'. The fact that there have been so many rumors about a higher performance model leads me to believe there is some substance. I don't think it would take a lot to compete at all. Hyundai could easily retune the CDC for a higher spring rate(or just add another setting with stiffer suspension), add a performance tire and wheel option and maybe retune the steering to be slightly faster. Most of the changes would be software related as the mechanical pieces are already in place.
 
Well I wouldn't put it past them to try either. Will they get to BMW 5M territory? Doubt it but they did bring in Lotus and they spent a lot of time at Nürburgring. I hope it was for more than just daily driving chassis tuning. :)

I agree. They didn't bring in Lotus and build a test facility at the Nurburgring for nothing. Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but something tells me they have something up their sleeve.
 
Well I wouldn't put it past them to try either. Will they get to BMW 5M territory? Doubt it but they did bring in Lotus and they spent a lot of time at Nürburgring. I hope it was for more than just daily driving chassis tuning. :)


That's a good point but they're going to need to supercharge or turbocharge either the V6 or V8 to even be in CTS "V-Sport" and 550i territory. The Genesis Sedan is a heavy car and both aforementioned competitors are using twin turbo configurations.
 
That's a good point but they're going to need to supercharge or turbocharge either the V6 or V8 to even be in CTS "V-Sport" and 550i territory. The Genesis Sedan is a heavy car and both aforementioned competitors are using twin turbo configurations.

They could turbocharge the 5.0 or even the 4.6 and get at least 485hp. That's not enough to get in CTS-V or M5 territory, but it will get them in the low 4s. To get them in that company, they'd have to go all out and twin turbo the 5.0 to at least 550hp.

The turbo V6 is less of a possibility, at least for now. I do think it will be here for the MCE, though, as the Genesis will have only turbocharged engine options. I wouldn't mind seeing:

3.0T: 350hp
3.8T: 420hp
4.6T: 485hp
5.0T: 550hp
 
I bet the third generation Genesis Sedan will be a little smaller and have that "N-Line" designation with a twin turbo'd engine. I'd love a TT V8 but I think V8s are slowly going away and being replaced with V6s. I believe GM has a 1,000 horsepower 2.0 liter 4 cylinder. Anything is possible these days...

But for Hyundai to directly compete with cars like the BMW M5, it's going to need to lose some girth... And I bet we'll see that in the next generation. With the Equus here, there's really no need for the Genesis to be the HUGE midsize car that it is...
 
They could turbocharge the 5.0 or even the 4.6 and get at least 485hp. A kid in an old Mustang with a part time job could get HP. That's not enough to get in CTS-V or M5 territory, but it will get them in the low 4s. To get them in that company, they'd have to go all out and twin turbo the 5.0 to at least 550hp.

It is much more than HP in that class. The driving dynamics and pieces that make up an M5 is more than the sum of its parts. Getting more HP alone and adding a beefy anti-sway bar is a cakewalk, turning that into an M5 league competitor or close, is a much different game that would be a challenge on that platform.
 
It is much more than HP in that class. The driving dynamics and pieces that make up an M5 is more than the sum of its parts. Getting more HP alone and adding a beefy anti-sway bar is a cakewalk, turning that into an M5 league competitor or close, is a much different game that would be a challenge on that platform.

I know what it takes to make an M5 competitor. More than half the battle is having the right platform to start. The 2015 Genesis has that. Even Car and Driver, lover of all things BMW, says that BMW should be worried. The 2015 Genesis has had extensive testing and I believethat with Lotus' help, they could make it happen.
 
They could turbocharge the 5.0 or even the 4.6 and get at least 485hp. That's not enough to get in CTS-V or M5 territory, but it will get them in the low 4s. To get them in that company, they'd have to go all out and twin turbo the 5.0 to at least 550hp.

The turbo V6 is less of a possibility, at least for now. I do think it will be here for the MCE, though, as the Genesis will have only turbocharged engine options. I wouldn't mind seeing:

3.0T: 350hp
3.8T: 420hp
4.6T: 485hp
5.0T: 550hp

Hyundai has done a proto-types of a supercharged Tau but supposedly they have switched to TTs.

They need to take their time and launch a proper performance variant and not the previous R-Spec which was like the IPL or F-Sport and not a real peformance trim.

Will probably see a 3.3TT for the mid-cycle refresh.


I bet the third generation Genesis Sedan will be a little smaller and have that "N-Line" designation with a twin turbo'd engine. I'd love a TT V8 but I think V8s are slowly going away and being replaced with V6s. I believe GM has a 1,000 horsepower 2.0 liter 4 cylinder. Anything is possible these days...

But for Hyundai to directly compete with cars like the BMW M5, it's going to need to lose some girth... And I bet we'll see that in the next generation. With the Equus here, there's really no need for the Genesis to be the HUGE midsize car that it is...

I doubt the 3G Genesis will get smaller.

Lighter - yes, but not smaller.
 
I doubt the 3G Genesis will get smaller. Lighter - yes, but not smaller.

Do you feel it's more likely that Hyundai will introduce another car to compete with the M5? Because from here on in, every BMW will be coming in much lighter. Unless Hyundai has no interest in this area - which I find difficult to believe. But a Genesis "N" that's in between a 5-Series and 7-Series in size is going to have an extremely tough time competing with an M5.
 
^ Well, BMW is going to great lengths to make the next 5 Series lighter after all the criticisms about the F10 being a porker (having gone to a shortened version of the 7 Series platform instead of a stretched version of the 3 Series platform), but the new 5 Series will likely still be larger than the CTS or GS (which are built on a stretched version of the ATS and IS, respectively).

Hyundai's appeal in this segment is more bang for the buck - part of which is size/interior room - so I'll be surprised if Hyundai makes the next gen smaller (while the wheelbase has been lengthened, actually lose some headroom in the back due to the sloping roofline).

This is pretty much what Infiniti has done w/ the G/Q50 and Cadillac formerly w/ the 1G/2G CTS - and what Acura, Lincoln and Cadillac are doing w/ the FWD-based RLX, MKS and XTS.

Along the same lines, I would think that Hyundai's upcoming compact sedan, the RK, will be on the larger side of the compact segment.

However, if being a sport sedan is a premium for you - Kia will have one based on the GT concept that will be inbtwn the size of the RK and Genesis (as the K900 is btwn the size of the Genesis and Equus).

5 Series - 117"/193"

Genesis - 118.5"/196.5"

7 Series (SWB) - 121"/200"

K900 - 120"/200.4"
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I have this funny feeling Hyundai is going to be priced higher than Lincoln, Acura and Infiniti very soon... Cadillac is going to the moon... But Hyundai isn't going to be a "more bang for your buck" brand for very long.

Plus, with the Equus - there's really no need for a big Genesis. My "guess" is the third generation Genesis will be a little sportier than the current model. That might mean a little smaller. But maybe not...
 
^ Lincoln and Acura but probably not Infiniti (as they are working to bring back a flagship sedan - well, more like a 4-door coupe).

Sans luxury badge - the Equus is already at a higher pricepoint than the RLX and the Genesis will now be as well over the TLX (which should remain about the same as the TL, if not not dip slightly).
 
^ Lincoln and Acura but probably not Infiniti (as they are working to bring back a flagship sedan - well, more like a 4-door coupe).

Sans luxury badge - the Equus is already at a higher pricepoint than the RLX and the Genesis will now be as well over the TLX (which should remain about the same as the TL, if not not dip slightly).

It's a shame to see Acura fall. Lincoln too... Hyundai has definitely taken a lot of sales from both brands. But that's the way the cookie crumbles...
 
^ I would think that w/ the Genesis, Hyundai has taken more sales away from the M and GS rather than FWD-based models (as seen in the drop in sales from the previous gen to the current gen of the M and GS).

Hyundai is going to debut a new model, the AG, next month and its supposed to be larger and more luxurious than the Azera (but smaller than the Genesis) and FWD-based.

Don't know if Hyundai will bring it to NA.

But yes, Cadillac is going to the moon.

Cadillac always had the brand name and history, but they just didn't have the products to go along w/ it.

Now, w/ the ATS, CTS, the new Escalade and the upcoming Omega flagship - Caddy will have the basis for a lineup to go head to head w/ the best.
 
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I guess I should order my winged badge, huh? Where do people buy them these days?
The wing badges that are OEM parts on the Korean version are sold by several small companies that purchase them from Korean Hyundai dealers and import those items to the USA. Most of them have websites and some of them advertise on eBay.

We don't know for sure whether the 2015 rear badge has changed from the 2009-2014 on the Korean model Genesis. I would make inquires to one the importers and ask them about it. They probably will starting selling them once the 2015's go on sale in North America.
 
Hyundai is going to debut a new model, the AG, next month and its supposed to be larger and more luxurious than the Azera (but smaller than the Genesis) and FWD-based. Don't know if Hyundai will bring it to NA.

There's no reason for the AG to come here unless it's replacing the Azera. How much more in between the Azera and Genesis can you get? Sure, one is FWD and the other is RWD/AWD but do they need both? The Lexus ES and LS work nicely together but the Azera, AG, Genesis and Equus - all in the same lineup - too much...

But yes, Cadillac is going to the moon.

Cadillac always had the brand name and history, but they just didn't have the products to go along w/ it.

Now, w/ the ATS, CTS, the new Escalade and the upcoming Omega flagship - Caddy will have the basis for a lineup to go head to head w/ the best.

Absolutely. They're really on the ball right now. I think part of that is because of brands like Hyundai bringing "Cadillacs" to the market - instead of Cadillac...

The wing badges that are OEM parts on the Korean version are sold by several small companies that purchase them from Korean Hyundai dealers and import those items to the USA. Most of them have websites and some of them advertise on eBay.

We don't know for sure whether the 2015 rear badge has changed from the 2009-2014 on the Korean model Genesis. I would make inquires to one the importers and ask them about it. They probably will starting selling them once the 2015's go on sale in North America.

Good advice. Thank you...
 
^ I would think that w/ the Genesis, Hyundai has taken more sales away from the M and GS rather than FWD-based models (as seen in the drop in sales from the previous gen to the current gen of the M and GS).
I kind of doubt that. There is too big a price difference between the Genesis and the M and GS to be considered as competitive, and even then the only Genesis that could possibly qualify based on sportiness is the R-Spec. If the R-Spec and M/GS were priced the same, I don't think anyone would purchase the R-Spec.

I think the main reason M and GS sales are slowing because there is not as much demand for sport sedans at that price point. A lot of younger people would opt for a BMW 3, Lexus IS Sport, or even a Camaro, etc. And we are still just now coming out of a recession.

It is interesting that, at least initially, there will be no 2015 Genesis R-Spec. I don't think that decision is a coincidence with John Krafcik being booted as CEO of HMA. I believe that Hyundai Korea wants to primarily position the Genesis a luxury sedan, and not a sport sedan (even if they come out with an R-Spec later on).
 
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Again, the Germans have seen their midsize sedans sell just as good, if not better than the pre-Great Recession days whereas the 2 Japanese RWD midsize sedans have seen their sales fall precipitously, even w/ newer and better regarded models.

Sure, there are some buyers who opted for the R-Spec instead of a V6 Japanese b/c they really wanted a V8.

But just b/c there's a price differential w/ the V6 Genesis - doesn't mean that other buyers looked at the Japanese and decided to pocket the diff.

It was the same thing when the LS400 was launched - at a price less than a loaded E Class.

There were some E Class buyers who switched for more room (and reliability) and there were some S Class buyers who decided to save the $$.

And even today, the LS460 is over $12k cheaper than a S550 - so there still remains a large price differential and people/the auto press still sees them as competitors.

And again, why would the Genesis/R-Spec be priced the same as the Japanese when it doesn't offer a luxury brand/dealer network and all the costs associated w/ it?

As well as being a new entrant (which was why Toyota bargain-priced the LS400 even w/ the luxury badge and dealer network).

I guess we'll see - it won't be too long and I venture that we'll see a dip in GS sales (or else Toyota will up the incentive spending to keep sales up).

As for the R-Spec, it was kinda a joke.

The 1G Genesis wasn't developed to be a sports sedan and the R-Spec just firmed up the suspension a bit and did nothing w/ regard to adding power, really sporting the suspension and doing other things like having better bolstered seats.

Now that the 2G Genesis has a somewhat variable suspension setting, including one for Sport - that pretty much does what the R-Spec did.

If Hyundai does come out w/ an R-Spec or whatever they decide to call it - it will much more like a proper performance trim/line.
 
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Personally I'd go with the V6 AWD, it's a lot of car for the $ and AWD appeals to me especially during our rainy season. That being said I'll hold out until next year once the first batch of refinements are made. They always run across something once it gets mass produced that needs to be addressed, at least that has been their track record so far.
 
Personally I'd go with the V6 AWD, it's a lot of car for the $ and AWD appeals to me especially during our rainy season. That being said I'll hold out until next year once the first batch of refinements are made. They always run across something once it gets mass produced that needs to be addressed, at least that has been their track record so far.
Did you see the difference in MPG between RWD and AWD on 2015 Genesis? I don't think it is worth it for those who don't get much snow.
 
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