2015 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 lower front timing cover replacement

[carguy75]

I am impressed with your grit and determination to see this thing through as a DIY project. Enjoy following it. Like many (most?) DIY projects unexpected issues arise. Also like many a DIY project, probably not much of a time or money saver in the end after factoring in the opporrunity cost of your time, yet a nice payoff in the satisfaction of a DIY job + you know its done Right!

Thank You.

I nominally only perform this type of work on my older back up rides. This is my first main ride that I kept long enough to do this type of work on.

Wish me luck.

 

[surprisinguy]

I wouldnt even know where to start on something like this. Good luck!

 

[Charlie1982]

I wouldnt even know where to start on something like this. Good luck!

Yep, this is a big job, and most people would just whip out the credit card. Which is fine, if you wouldn't know what you’re doing. Hope it all goes well.

 

[carguy75]

I wouldnt even know where to start on something like this. Good luck!

It is not that bad to be honest if you can work on an engine. The hardest part is getting the right tools for the job. It basically come down to removing nuts and bolts and applying RTV sealant.

I have broken down a few engines in my time to replace similar parts. I know enough to get the job done. The Genesis would the newest model car I have worked on. But it seems pretty straight forward.

My latest projects before this one.

My 2006 Cadillac Escalade( my current back up ride) where I changed out the front timing cover,timing chain, valve covers, oil pump,oil pan etc. Basically a new refreshed engine at 226k miles. Runs like new.

My son's 2007 Toyota Highlander timing belt, valve covers, water-let housing reseal, cam/crank seals, etc.

 

[carguy75]

Yep, this is a big job, and most people would just whip out the credit card. Which is fine, if you wouldn't know what you’re doing. Hope it all goes well.

Thank you.

I did consider just dropping the $3500(or even charge it to my credit card), but really did not trust my local Hyundai dealership to perform the repair work to my standards. Plus, they was only going to change the front lower timing cover and hopeful the gaskets of the parts they removed to access the front timing cover.

They was not going to do the fuel pump cam rollers, spark plugs, or clean the valve stems unless I pay extra. Too much money to spend just to be lazy since I can actually do the work myself. I am spending about $1500 to get it all done vs. $3500+.

 

[carguy75]

This is basically what I have to do on my 5.0 Tau engine; the same as this 4.6 lower front cover removal.

Note: I will not remove the engine from the car!

 

[carguy75]

Today I finally got most the AC tools needed, but not the actual recovery machine. It is amazing that you can get darn near anything from Amazon.com.

I am waiting for the AC recovery machine so that I can pull the AC lines and compressor off the engine before I continue.

The AC tools(scale,recovery tank, and gauges). Cheap no name brands, but will get the job done.

 

[carguy75]

Heck, I just bought a vacuum pump and micron meter since I was this far into it, because you must prep the recovery tank by vacuuming it down to less than 500 microns of negative pressure. So, I just said screw it and just bought the whole entire HVAC setup.

Now, my friends will hit me up everytime they have an refrigerant leak in their cars or need an ac repair.

 

[skipgen]

Heck, I just bought a vacuum pump and micron meter since I was this far into it, because you must prep the recovery tank by vacuuming it down to less than 500 microns of negative pressure. So, I just said screw it and just bought the whole entire HVAC setup.

Now, my friends will hit me up everytime they have an refrigerant leak in their cars or need an ac repair.

Well... That opens up some opportunities for barter or some extra side cash to compensate the equipment cost at least!

 

[carguy75]

Well... That opens up some opportunities for barter or some extra side cash to compensate the equipment cost at least!

I have always been the one in the group to buy the expensive repair tools. The problem is that I have a crap load of VW,Mercedes,Volvo,GM,etc specialty repair tools that I never use after I traded in the cars over the years. But, the tools does come in handy when a friend or family member need to use them every so often.

The HVAC tools can be used to fix other HVAC related problems around the house as well as my other cars that I normally would call a HVAC technician for. I took some HVAC courses years ago before working in Radiology and know how to recharge HVAC systems. I could also braze some copper pipe if need be, but have just paid a technician since I did not have the proper tools to do it myself.

Before Amazon; HVAC tools were hard to find other than the expensive well known brands that professionals use. Now I can buy the whole HVAC tool set for less than what a HVAC technican will charge to change a run capacitor in my heat pump and charge up my system.

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[carguy75]

Well, I am glad that I did not send back the used lower timing cover. The part seller just informed me that a new cover is on back order(or discontinued) and my order has been cancelled. To make matters worst; I cannot find a used lower timing cover for a 2015+ 5.0 Tau engine online for sell that is not part of the entire engine for sell.

Therefore, i will just install the replacement timing cover I have and then just dump the 5.0. The parts for the 5.0 Tau engine is just too scarce and expensive to keep this engine running over time it seems. If it was my back up ride then I could let it sit for months until I find a part. But my Genesis is my main ride.

Darn. So I will start car shopping and just prepare to have a car note again.

The 6.0 V8 engine in my Cadillac is easy to find parts for new or used in comparison; it will remain my back up ride and I will have to find an easier to maintain main car to replace my Genesis.

I tried.

 

[carguy75]

I have an crazy idea. I am stilling working it out while I am at work. But, I may just buy a used entire 5.0 engine for about $4K online plus shipping and then part it out as needed. The individual parts alone like valve covers, intake manifold upper and lower timing covers will be more than $4k when sold alone; if they are not on back order when trying to buy them new.

I am still debating on it. I do have space in my basement for an engine so it could work if I decide to keep this car long term.

I found this here that sparked my interest.

 

[JEBIV]

not a bad idea!

 

[carguy75]

not a bad idea!

Thanks. It does make sense if I am to keep the car since Hyundai 5.0 engines and parts are hard to source for this car. Having a spare engine to pick parts from does solve that problem.

I have tried to order a new lower front timing cover under the old part number for 2014-2015 5.0 models. Hopefully that it is still in stock since the covers are for the older early models. For some reason newer 2017-2020 5.0 V8 front lower timing covers are on back order.

If not then I may go the used engine pick and pull route, but after much thought i will probably just buy a used 2018 Lexus GS350 F-sport I found with only 36k miles. Lexus GS350 parts are readily available and the engine is pretty reliable. Still debating.

 

[skipgen]

Thanks. It does make sense if I am to keep the car since Hyundai 5.0 engines and parts are hard to source for this car. Having a spare engine to pick parts from does solve that problem.

I have tried to order a new lower front timing cover under the old part number for 2014-2015 5.0 models. Hopefully that it is still in stock since the covers are for the older early models. For some reason newer 2017-2020 5.0 V8 front lower timing covers are on back order.

If not then I may go the used engine pick and pull route, but after much thought i will probably just buy a used 2018 Lexus GS350 F-sport I found with only 36k miles. Lexus GS350 parts are readily available and the engine is pretty reliable. Still debating.

It's a pickle.... If it were me & I had the means & the space, I'd buy the engine. Still cheaper than another car, especially in this climate.

Parts availability will likely improve when the economy / supply chain sorts itself out.

 

[JEdwards]

Parts availability will likely improve when the economy / supply chain sorts itself out.

In general, yes, but remember that is is an older vehicle, and relatively few of these were ever built.

Genesis still has a pretty low volume compared to other manufacturers and it was even smaller 5-6 years ago.

 

[carguy75]

It's a pickle.... If it were me & I had the means & the space, I'd buy the engine. Still cheaper than another car, especially in this climate.

Parts availability will likely improve when the economy / supply chain sorts itself out.

I am doing the math.

Buy a used 2018 Lexus GS350 F-Sport fully loaded for $40k with only 36k miles( about a $600-$800 monthly car note depending on loan term) or just buy a used engine with the parts I need to keep this car running for while longer for $4-5K?

I am leaning more to the used part engine. I will also add in the cost of a engine stand and engine host to move the engine around with. Space is not issue in my walk out basement. To be honest, the easier route would be to just buy the Lexus.

Well, i did order an new cover under the older part number for the 2014-2015 5.0 models and the online Hyundai part seller( a local dealership I believe) stated that it can have one shipped from the Hyundai warehouse by the middle of the month; so no need to buy an used part engine maybe to get simple parts that I may need.

Here is the status received. So my new lower timing engine cover should be coming.

 

[skipgen]

I am doing the math.

Buy a used 2018 Lexus GS350 F-Sport fully loaded for $40k with only 36k miles( about a $600-$800 monthly car note depending on loan term) or just buy a used engine with the parts I need to keep this car running for while longer for $4-5K?

I am leaning more to the used part engine. I will also add in the cost of a engine stand and engine host to move the engine around with. Space is not issue in my walk out basement. To be honest, the easier route would be to just buy the Lexus.

Well, i did order an new cover under the older part number for the 2014-2015 5.0 models and the online Hyundai part seller( a local dealership I believe) stated that it can have one shipped from the Hyundai warehouse by the middle of the month; so no need to buy an used part engine maybe to get simple parts that I may need.

Here is the status received. So my new lower timing engine cover should be coming.
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Way cheaper than a Lexus....!

 

[carguy75]

Way cheaper than a Lexus....!

Yes. I rather just fix the current car than start a new car note. Hopefully, the part will be available and shipped like promised.

It is curious that there is a shortage of lower timing covers for the 5.0 engine for the newer 5.0 models. The 5.0 engine is only on a couple of models(G80 and G90) and I assume that the 2017-2020 models are too new to need any major repair work related to the timing covers.

Weird, I wonder if some lower timing covers are being damaged at dealership service centers like how I did mine when changing out bad oil pressure or coolant temp sensors. Both are installed the same way on the timing cover and have similar incorrect torque specs in the service manual, which can cause some broken ports. Broken ports means new timing covers for simple sensor swaps due to incorrect tightening specs; not good if that is the reason.

Just speculation.

 

[5.0KDM]

The 5.0 engine is only on a couple of models(G80 and G90)

I think the K900 has it too.