2015 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 lower front timing cover replacement

[carguy75]

I decided to try the 4.6 cover and see if it will work on the 5.0 engine. It has an 30 day return on it so why not.

I could still use the one I bought with the chipped lip, but I assume the lip serves a purpose to probably help keep the lower timing chain lubricated since it is dish-shaped to probably hold some oil while the chain spins.

The 4.6 timing cover I bought. Hopefully it is an exact fit for the 5.0 engine.

 

[skipgen]

I decided to try the 4.6 cover and see if it will work on the 5.0 engine. It has an 30 day return on it so why not.

I could still use the one I bought with the chipped lip, but I assume the lip serves a purpose to probably help keep the lower timing chain lubricated since it is dish-shaped to probably hold some oil while the chain spins.

The 4.6 timing cover I bought. Hopefully it is an exact fit for the 5.0 engine.
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Good Luck!

 

[carguy75]

Thank you.

It seems that I may be the only DIY owner for this engine on this forum; so it is a learning process for me for sure. Hopefully, my experience makes the next person job a bit easier when they perform a similar repair on the 5.0 engine.

I understand why some people just stick with the mainstream basic engines(Toyota,Honda, GM) for long-term ownership. Easy to fix and plenty of information about fixing them is available as well as easy to find parts.

Hyundai 5.0 engine is a rare and not well known engine; which is making this project more complicated than it should be. Hopefully, the 4.6 cover is the same cover which provide some more options for timing cover replacements.

 

[JEBIV]

I'm a diy'r and have a 2012 5.0 so I'm following, I'm pretty close and can lend a hand if needed ! 40 plus years in the automotive business

 

[carguy75]

I'm a diy'r and have a 2012 5.0 so I'm following, I'm pretty close and can lend a hand if needed ! 40 plus years in the automotive business

Thank you for the offer.

My main issue is just getting the parts/tools I need to finish this job.

 

[carguy75]

My engine brace arrived and is just the right size at 71in long. I will start new threads on dropping the sub-frame and dropping the upper oil pan. I will return to this thread when I install a new timing cover.

My Omega Lift engine support brace.

 

[JEBIV]

coming along nicely

 

[carguy75]

coming along nicely

Thank you.

I have just ordered some heavy duty Curt brand trailer safety chains to use instead of the wire rope included with the engine brace that has crimped loops. I do not trust the crimped wire rope to support my expensive engine for an extended amount of time.

In the mean time I will start pulling the power steering rack. I will post that in a new thread as well.

 

[carguy75]

Crap!!! The 4.6 lower timing cover is not an exact part compared to the 5.0 lower timing cover. The two parts only have one difference that I have noticed by eyeing them without doing measurements. The inside of the cover 4.6 have a slightly different casting over a timing chain guide. I will assume that the difference is for clearance since the 4.6 and 5.0 have different timing chain guide assemblies.

The 4.6 lower timing cover may still work on my 5.0, but I am not going to risk it. So I will probably just spend the money and just buy a new cover from my local dealership. It was worth a try, but it does not seem like a 4.6 cover will work if timing chain guide clearance will be an issue.

Note: The 4.6 that was parted out has a rough life. It has old caked on coolant residue from a leak and did not receive proper oil changes based on the dark oil staining on the inside of the cover.

The two timing covers(5.0 on left,4.6 on right) are nearly exact copies; except for the inside casting.

 

[carguy75]

Screw this!!!! I have just called my local Hyundai dealership part department and was informed that a new lower timing cover will cost me $690 + shipping. Furthermore, the clerk stated the part is on backorder and that only a few lower timing covers are available in the nation hence the shipping charge to get it from a New Jersey dealership that has one in stock. He also stated that 5.0 Genesis parts are very expensive in general and very hard to come by including the transmission and engines.

I will just slap on the used lower timing cover I have with the chip and just trade in this car. I am done with my 5.0 after this repair; since it not possible to keep it running without paying German luxury car prices to repair anything on it engine or transmission related if the parts can even be acquired.

I will still post the repairs in the threads I promised, but I will be starting a new car note it seems. Too bad since I do like the 2015 Genesis 5.0 ultimate. But it seems that the car is not a keeper after 100k miles or when the warranty expires.

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[carguy75]

The 5.0 Equus lower timing cover is an exact match if you can find one. The one I have does have a chipped off lip on the cover that sits under the crankshaft chain sprocket. So I will just go with this cover and trade in my Genesis for an easier to maintain ride as my primary car.

The 5.0 Equus lower timing cover(right in pic) is an exact match.

 

[carguy75]

To be fair after some thought; the lower timing cover is not a part that will be replaced often( if ever) unless a mistake was made like in my situation when changing the oil sensor that cracked mine. Usually the lower timing cover is reused with new gaskets and RTV sealant. So replacing one is a rare occurrence under normal circumstances.

Therefore I may just calm down and just order a new cover from my local dealership and keep the car. I looked into owning a used Lexus LS460 and the door actuators(which fail often) cost about $1500 for each door and as well some other components that are only made by Toyota which can be even more expensive than the Genesis timing cover.

So unless I spend money on a new ride; I will be dropping some money for repairing(maintaining) a used replacement for my Genesis.

I am still debating as I finish up the timing cover repair. The simplicity of the 5.0 engine does makes me want to keep it.

 

[Charlie1982]

Wow, those two covers (5.0/4.6) look close enough to identical I figured you could've used either one. (At least, just from looking at the pictures you posted) Is there any way you could modify the 4.6 cover enough to use it?

 

[arcman]

Now that it's off the engine, have you looked into getting the original piece welded?

 

[carguy75]

Wow, those two covers (5.0/4.6) look close enough to identical I figured you could've used either one. (At least, just from looking at the pictures you posted) Is there any way you could modify the 4.6 cover enough to use it?

If the lower timing cover was easier to remove then I would try to use a Dremel tool to modify the 4.6 cover to match the 5.0 cover.

It is best to just do it right the first time with a job as complex as this; hence why I am even debating about paying the high cost for a new lower timing cover. If I keep the car then I will use a new cover; if I trade it then I will use the used cover with a chip on it.

 

[carguy75]

Now that it's off the engine, have you looked into getting the original piece welded?

Good idea, but local welders charges about $400-$500 to repair it. I might as well just buy a new cover or use the used cover I already have.

If the part was easy to swap out then I would risk having a welder fix it, but as you can see; the lower timing cover requires a lot of work to swap out and it would suck if the weld was not done properly since that would lead to a massive oil leak.

The best course of action would be to just buy a new timing cover.

 

[skipgen]

Man... that's a real dick punch. But like a friend of mine is fond of saying - "It's usually cheaper to fix what you've got..."

 

[carguy75]

Man... that's a real dick punch. But like a friend of mine is fond of saying - "It's usually cheaper to fix what you've got..."

True.

I was upset and really wanted to dump the car. But I am actually impressed with how easy it has been to repair the 5.0 engine in general. My only hurdle in fixing the issue has been obtaining a lower timing cover in decent condition.

I was thinking about going Lexus, but it seems that Toyota reliability has taken a hit on the newer models after 2007. Lexus parts can be hard to obtain as well as be very expensive dealer only parts with no aftermarket support like the Genesis.

It may be cheaper to keep her as they say.

 

[Charlie1982]

If the lower timing cover was easier to remove then I would try to use a Dremel tool to modify the 4.6 cover to match the 5.0 cover.

It is best to just do it right the first time with a job as complex as this; hence why I am even debating about paying the high cost for a new lower timing cover. If I keep the car then I will use a new cover; if I trade it then I will use the used cover with a chip on it.

I'll tell the next owner you said that. (kidding)
I do understand your sentiment, though, lol

 

[Charlie1982]

True.

I was upset and really wanted to dump the car. But I am actually impressed with how easy it has been to repair the 5.0 engine in general. My only hurdle in fixing the issue has been obtaining a lower timing cover in decent condition.

I was thinking about going Lexus, but it seems that Toyota reliability has taken a hit on the newer models after 2007. Lexus parts can be hard to obtain as well as be very expensive dealer only parts with no aftermarket support like the Genesis.

It may be cheaper to keep her as they say.

I've seen other people (in other forums) post about how they think most car companies are building less reliable, less durable cars in general, this day and age. Maybe they are, or maybe it's just because we hear more about the failures/breakdowns people are dealing with, since the dawn of the internet forum.
I have to say, if I had seen threads like this, and threads about people dealing with broken sunroof tracks across a range of Hyundai models (not just the Genesis), I would've probably never considered a Hyundai again. As it is, I'll deal with it for the time being, but there are a few things that certainly don't leave a good impression by breaking so soon, even on cars with low miles. (Although, to be fair, I hadn't known about Lexus door handle problems, either...)