2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Spy Photos

[italiabrain]

2015 MPG
3.8 RWD
18 city 22 combined 29 highway
3.8 AWD
16/19/25
5.0 RWD
15/18/23
If these numbers are acurate, it is likely then that CAFE standards may prevent release of 5.0 AWD in States.
www.fueleconomy.gov

If these numbers are accurate there are potentially two .gov issues at play. One is the gas guzzler tax, which requires 22.5mpg (under unrealistically ideal driving conditions) to avoid tax. The RWD 5.0 must be just a hair over that mark, and if the AWD system causes that much loss it would definitely dip under. CAFE wouldn't directly prevent the 5.0/AWD combo since it looks at Hyundai's fleet average. Ironically for CAFE purposes (and CAFE only) the more 5.0 AWD's Hyundai thinks they would sell the worse it would be for them to offer them.

 

[tompass]

Does not bode will for release of 5.0AWD here. Truthfully now giving thought to the anticipaited not so good MPG with the 5.0 AWD should it be offered. Can't to drive the 3.8 AWD and if sub 6 seconds 0-60, may relent..

 

[ksoze]

Does not bode will for release of 5.0AWD here. Truthfully now giving thought to the anticipaited not so good MPG with the 5.0 AWD should it be offered. Can't to drive the 3.8 AWD and if sub 6 seconds 0-60, may relent..

Disagree. The majority of premium sedans sold north of the Carolinas are AWD cars. Many are V8 models also. After this winter, that trend will expand and increase.

 

[Mark_888]

Disagree. The majority of premium sedans sold north of the Carolinas are AWD cars. Many are V8 models also. After this winter, that trend will expand and increase.

How many of those luxury V8 AWD cars can be purchased for anywhere near $50K?

 

[ksoze]

How many of those luxury V8 AWD cars can be purchased for anywhere near $50K?

None if any, which is exactly why Hyundai needs to have the AWD V8.

 

[tompass]

I would overjoyed if the 5.0 AWD does get released but Hyundai USA may not want to deal with a gas guzzler tax if indeed the car does not meet requirements. Perhaps when numbers of sales of other models meet expectations and CAFE standards, consideration for the release may be given near end of year. If you apply percentage of drop in MPG from RWD to AWD of 3.8 to proposed AWD 5.0, could be close to 13 MPG city.

 

[Mark_888]

2015 MPG
3.8 RWD
18 city 22 combined 29 highway
3.8 AWD
16/19/25
5.0 RWD
15/18/23
If these numbers are acurate, it is likely then that CAFE standards may prevent release of 5.0 AWD in States.
www.fueleconomy.gov

Should also be noted that the 5.0 numbers were with premium gas, while the 3.8 numbers were with regular. If someone were to use regular with the 5.0 (as some members do now) the MPG will drop a bit, maybe as much as 1 MPG.

 

[ksoze]

Should also be noted that the 5.0 numbers were with premium gas, while the 3.8 numbers were with regular. If someone were to use regular with the 5.0 (as some members do now) the MPG will drop a bit, maybe as much as 1 MPG.

I will pay a few extra dollars at the pump with the savings I will have from not buying one of the more expensive targeted competitors.

 

[Mark_888]

I will pay a few extra dollars at the pump with the savings I will have from not buying one of the more expensive targeted competitors.

Just a guess, but I suspect that you are in a small minority of potential customers who are willing to buy a Hyundai that gets 13 MPG in city and 19 MPG on Highway on premium fuel (probably less on regular). These are the extrapolated numbers for a possible 5.0 with AWD.

 

[ksoze]

I may not be getting it. If the 2014 R-Spec is also listed as 15/18/23 on premium and sold here, why is the 2015 5.0 AWD an issue with the same numbers?

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[tompass]

You are referring the numbers for the '15 5.0 RWD. AWD MPG will likely be 2 MPG less in city.

 

[ksoze]

You are referring the numbers for the '15 5.0 RWD. AWD MPG will likely be 2 MPG less in city.

The 2014 BMW 550i and 550iX have a 1 MPG difference, as does the MB E350 and E350 4MATIC. That is not much of a deterrent or penalty for the benefits of AWD. Let's see how it plays out, but I am not shocked that the 2015 car with AWD gets worse gas milage than the RWD model - were there others here expecting otherwise?

 

[tompass]

Expectations certainly were that AWD would get less mileage per gallon but it seems Hyundai decided to be a bit more realistic with MPG numbers given what has transpired in past. I really want to see some good performance numbers regarding the 3.8 AWD.

 

[YEH]

^ That still doesn't explain the discrepancy btwn RWD and AWD.

The thing is that the HTRAC system is a more complicated and heavier AWD system and hence has a harsher fuel penalty than simpler AWD systems and also have to keep in mind what features come standard in AWD for the Genesis which further adds weight.

 

[italiabrain]

^ That still doesn't explain the discrepancy btwn RWD and AWD.

The thing is that the HTRAC system is a more complicated and heavier AWD system and hence has a harsher fuel penalty than simpler AWD systems and also have to keep in mind what features come standard in AWD for the Genesis which further adds weight.

HTRAC is not heavy, and the design shouldn't (in theory) be a high friction/loss system.

 

[tompass]

But there is a substantial difference in MPG between AWD and RWD 3.8.

 

[YEH]

HTRAC is not heavy, and the design shouldn't (in theory) be a high friction/loss system.

It's probably heavier than simpler AWD systems.

The Santa Fe sees a similarly large drop in MPG due to its new torque-vectoring AWD system.

Acura dropped the SH-AWD system on the RDX since it was heavier, less fuel efficient and costlier (and most buyers of CUVs don't want the trade-off and just want a basic AWD system).

 

[italiabrain]

But there is a substantial difference in MPG between AWD and RWD 3.8.

I wasn't defending the gas mileage. YEH, was just making things up from nowhere in his last post. The system is not heavy, the weight has been discussed by Hyundai... it's actually particularly light. It could be as simple as the numbers being rounded to whole numbers with a .4 on the AWD and a .6 on the RWD and that makes the diff look bigger.

 

[ksoze]

HTRAC is not heavy, and the design shouldn't (in theory) be a high friction/loss system.

The HTRAC system adds 165 lbs (75 kg) to the car.

 

[italiabrain]

The HTRAC system adds 165 pounds 165 lbs (75 kg) to the car.

MotorTrend had it at 140, but even using your number it's still lighter than the BMW system by about 35lbs. If MotorTrend happened to be right then it's much lighter than X-drive.... either way, far from heavy for the category.