2016 Audi A8 L - The bar is still pretty high

[YEH]

If Hyundai were able to sell the Genesis for more profit, they would. They can't ask anywhere near the money that Lexus, or the German brands are getting because most people would not chose to get a Genesis in that case.

While the Genesis has to be sold at value pricing, esp. since it doesn't offer (at least currently) the benefits of a luxury marque (separate luxury dealer network, luxury service such as loaner vehicles, etc.) and has to take a lower margin, they are making it up in volume.

April sales:

Genesis - 2,274
A6 - 1,619
GS - 1,001

And let's not forget that the A6 starts at $46,200 and the G80 by the time of its MCE should pass the $40k mark to start.

The A6 doesn't command the price premium of the 5 Series, much less the E Class.

I know I would be driving an Audi A6 if the prices were closer. I assume the Genesis for most people is a choice based on value for money, not because it's the better car than what the established luxury brands are selling.

Even if the prices were closer, still would rock this over the A6.

The G80 is going to have to step things up for the MCE or the next gen or else the Kia is going to steal some sales.

No doubt Audi makes fine autos, but the only ones that really stand out for me are the A7 and A3.

Nonetheless, I agree that there are bits of the interior of the Genesis that need upgrading to get closer to its competition (A6 and not the A8); had more of an issue w/ the interior of the 1G Genesis.

From everything that I had hear, the touch-points/switchgear of the G90 have gotten a significant improvement, so we'll probably see those bits trickle down to the G80.

But I'm going to bet that even with any of the improvements for the interior for the G80's MCE, the production version of the Kia GT will have the nicer interior.

As the Genesis lineup expands - we'll see less parts sharing with Hyundais as there will be enough models/volume for Hyundai to make separate and higher quality components for the Genesis models.

 

[TbonePdx]

I don't think we want our beloved Genesis to continue vying for the A8 bar. I mean, at some point the Genesis will be so expensive (albeit still less than the A8) that for many of us (myself included) it will be out of our price range.

But holy cow, a new S8 with the Bang & Olufsen system would quite honestly be my dream car.

Tony

 

[Genentec]

not talking about msrp.

im talking what u can get them for right now.

and I dont even own a genesis

You sound like a fanboy, and you shouldn't post things that are so obviously not correct.

A base A4 is $37,300 - You can get a base Audi S4 for $49,200
A base Genesis 5.0L (no longer available in 2016) was $52,450

There is no Audi A4 with a 150 HP engine in the US, there hasn't been one sold since 2000 (16 years ago).

Also, the Audi A4 has never shared a platform with the VW jetta - it shared a platform with the VW Passat back in 2000. The current and last generation (since 2008) A4 are based on a platform not shared with any VW models.

In 2000 (when the 150 HP Audi A4 was last sold), Hyundai was building shitboxes like the Accent (88 HP) and the XG300 (front wheel drive).

If Hyundai were able to sell the Genesis for more profit, they would. They can't ask anywhere near the money that Lexus, or the German brands are getting because most people would not chose to get a Genesis in that case. I know I would be driving an Audi A6 if the prices were closer. I assume the Genesis for most people is a choice based on value for money, not because it's the better car than what the established luxury brands are selling.

I like my Genesis, but your fanboy posts are factually wrong and remind me of the old "Amiga vs Atari ST vs PC" days, the Apple/Android fanboys and other people who need to elevate their choices by putting other brands down. Audi builds great cars, anyone who argues otherwise is kidding themselves.

 

[Jaeger]

Depreciation on the Audi is pretty brutal. My brother is on the road just about all day, every day in the NY Metro area. He drives about 50K miles a year.

He just bought an A7 with 25k miles, I believe he said it was a 2013. Paid in the low $30's with a bumper to bumper to 60K miles. He usually keeps 2-3 cars going at the same time.

Yes, although this is true to a degree for the entire luxury sedan category. I had shopped a used LS before settling on the Genesis and was amazed at how cheap A7s were on the used market. I wouldn't have the stomach for an out of warranty high end German car, but for those with a higher risk tolerance there are some sweet deals to be had. Conversely, shelling out THAT much cash new on a car whose value is going to drop like a stone does not appeal to me. There's a reason most of these things are leased.

 

[ksoze]

I don't think we want our beloved Genesis to continue vying for the A8 bar.

The bar being strived for should be for quality, detail and well-executed engineering and tech. The Audi comparison was made not for economics but how some things can elevate the Genesis while still maintaining its many advantages.

 

[ksoze]

not talking about msrp u idiote.

im talking what u can get them for right now.

and I dont even own a genesis u numbskull

You may want to change your profile then. I'd also invest in a dictionary as well as get the " ' " key fixed on your keyboard

 

[jsmit86]

While the Genesis has to be sold at value pricing, esp. since it doesn't offer (at least currently) the benefits of a luxury marque (separate luxury dealer network, luxury service such as loaner vehicles, etc.) and has to take a lower margin, they are making it up in volume.

April sales:

Genesis - 2,274
A6 - 1,619
GS - 1,001

....

Just wondering... where did you get the April sales?

Goodcarbadcar.net shows April Genesis sales of 3,374 units. They don't usually break out Sedans vs. Coupes separately, but when they have, they seem to mix out at about 85% sedans. That would put sedans around 2,870 units in April.

Either way, the data supports your point.

(Note... this is not intended as snarky in any way... just wondering if you had better data than what I am seeing)

 

[AustinTX]

not talking about msrp u idiote.

im talking what u can get them for right now.

and I dont even own a genesis u numbskull

I didn't realize I was writing to a 5 year old - my apologies.

Things you should learn before mum let's you back on the keyboard:

- proper English
"u" is not a word, it's spelled "you"
"idiote" is spelled without the "e" at the end: "idiot"
"im" is spelled "I'm" or "I am"
"dont" is spelled "don't"
The words at the beginning of a sentence are capitalized
...

- it's rude to insult people, although I forgive you because I think you still have time to grow up and learn

I understand that you can't drive/own a car yet given your age, but you should change your forum status from "Drives a Hyundai Genesis 3.8 V6 Sedan" to "Drives a Hyundai in his dreams" if you don't have one.

 

[Aquineas]

Just wondering... where did you get the April sales?

Goodcarbadcar.net shows April Genesis sales of 3,374 units. They don't usually break out Sedans vs. Coupes separately, but when they have, they seem to mix out at about 85% sedans. That would put sedans around 2,870 units in April.

Either way, the data supports your point.

(Note... this is not intended as snarky in any way... just wondering if you had better data than what I am seeing)

YEH somehow routinely gets inside info. He says he's not a Hyundai employee, but that doesn't mean he's not a KIA employee . I don't question it anymore, I just kinda take it in.

 

[dareckibmw]

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[OneFunGenesis]

Hey all -

Just wanted to pop in to let everyone know that personal attacks are not tolerated. Lets keep it respectful and attack ideas, not people.

Thanks!

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[Genentec]

it's called bypassing the spell check mechanism numbskulle. u didnt figure it out ?

its a automotive forum, not a resume submission. it's called posting on my smartphone and not having time for pity things like spelling errors.

I didn't realize I was writing to a 5 year old - my apologies.

Things you should learn before mum let's you back on the keyboard:

- proper English
"u" is not a word, it's spelled "you"
"idiote" is spelled without the "e" at the end: "idiot"
"im" is spelled "I'm" or "I am"
"dont" is spelled "don't"
The words at the beginning of a sentence are capitalized
...

- it's rude to insult people, although I forgive you because I think you still have time to grow up and learn

I understand that you can't drive/own a car yet given your age, but you should change your forum status from "Drives a Hyundai Genesis 3.8 V6 Sedan" to "Drives a Hyundai in his dreams" if you don't have one.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Just an FYI. You "can" say "idiot" - but you also "can't".

Be nice, everyone...

 

[Nikgen]

..not having time for pity things like spelling errors.

Or using the proper word! How ironic...

 

[Genentec]

wow all mighty spelling bee champion you.

the spelling hero and the wing badge, your all set.

Or using the proper word! How ironic...

 

[Genentec]

idiote is actually french. seriously some peeps need to catch up on foreign languages.

Just an FYI. You "can" say "idiot" - but you also "can't".

Be nice, everyone...

 

[Nikgen]

wow all mighty spelling bee champion you.

the spelling hero and the wing badge, your all set.

I suddenly have an urge to watch Star Wars...

 

[YEH]

YEH somehow routinely gets inside info. He says he's not a Hyundai employee, but that doesn't mean he's not a KIA employee . I don't question it anymore, I just kinda take it in.

Haha, sorry to disappoint - everything is public knowledge (don't think Kia employees would be privy to Hyundai info. unless it's someone like Herr Schreyer).

Just wondering... where did you get the April sales?

Goodcarbadcar.net shows April Genesis sales of 3,374 units. They don't usually break out Sedans vs. Coupes separately, but when they have, they seem to mix out at about 85% sedans. That would put sedans around 2,870 units in April.

Either way, the data supports your point.

(Note... this is not intended as snarky in any way... just wondering if you had better data than what I am seeing)

HMA has been breaking out the monthly sales of the sedan in the comment section of their monthly sales report the past couple of months and previously, from time to time, would release the # of sedans sold for a certain time period.

"While Genesis sedan and our all-new Tucson CUV had their best-ever April sales, we are still seeing softness in car sales, which was the headwind our Sonata and Elantra sedans faced," said Derrick Hatami, vice president of national sales for Hyundai Motor America.

Tucson, Veloster and Accent all experienced sales gains during the month of April, up 92, 69 percent and 58 percent, respectively. Genesis sedan sales were up nine percent for the month, with sales of 2,724 units.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-motor-america-reports-april-sales-300261970.html

 

[srobak]

Can you guys ALL cut it out, please? If I want this kind of conduct I'll go on the Battlefield forums. Genentec - some of your posts are getting out of line. Reel it in, please. To the others - you guys aren't helping either in the responses. Let's just all stay on target?

leasing it just means u absorb the massive first 3 years of depreciation. I guess if your filthy rich and use it as a tax write off then its somewhat worth it.

This is not entirely true. For many people leasing is a very good option - especially if they frequently get new(er) cars. I actually just got both of my nephews into leases on a couple of different VWs and my ex is now on her 2nd Honda lease.

I had to break it down into a spreadsheet for them to see the advantages. But basically say on something like a decently equipped CC the MSRP is 35k. a 5 year note at a decent APR (2.9%) with 3k down and no trade would be roughly $600 a month. After 5 years you will have actually spent $37,400 in payments - plus your 3k down puts you at $40,400 - and you will be well out of warranty with miles racked up, things will start breaking and you will most likely be looking to sell it and finance into another new car anyhow - so any "gain" you get from being able to say "I now OWN the car" is lost - because you are gonna get right back into a loan payment. If you are lucky - you will be able to sell it for just under 10k or a dealer will give you about 7500 for it.

The same car & package with the same money down on a lease would only cost you $330 per month which after 3 years you will have spent ~$11900 plus the 3k down you put - $14900. If you stick with the same brand you probably would not have to put more money down, and worst case scenario it would only be $1k. They payments will be roughly the same if you stayed with the same model - and would only get cheaper if you got into anything else other than the SUVs. Either way - by the end of year 5 you will have paid out less than $24000 total and will be on your way into your 3rd new car if you do yet another lease and you will have been covered by warranty the entire time.

Even if you got 10k for the purchased car that still puts you $6000 over the lease costs at the end of year 5. In that case the crossover point on money is at the end of year 6 or a little into year 7 - but again you are into your 3rd new car at that point and had warranty and maintenance the entire time.

Once into a recurring lease - it's a no-hassle option that in the end leaves you pretty much worry-free. For a lot of people that lack of hassle of having to get money back out of your old car, plus having everything always covered with a loaner available if anything does go wrong, not to mention getting fresh wheels every few years - it ends up being worth the money, nevermind actually costing less both up front and over time.

this is a sign that the trans will probably be done at about 100k miles. I would not trust to own it long term.

To be fair & honest - if you follow the (lack of) maintenance schedule on any car including the Genesis that says they have "lifetime trans fluid" - they will all be done right after 100k - which is what Hyundai considers to be "lifetime" (the term of the powertrain warranty). Even the "lifetimes" you should service regularly if you REALLY want it to last - and well beyond the 100k.

I then extrapolate that to the 3rd generation, likely coming in 2021.

I'm banking on 2019 for the G80 and 2020 or 2021 for the G90 refreshes.

The dealers make all the red flags go up with their sleazy tactics. Low ball trade offers, I need to talk to my manager crap

The Germans avoid this by simply having higher pricepoints. To me - I would spend the time to negotiate a deal rather than pay 20-40% more for a similarly trimmed & equipped vehicle in the same class.

you are still under factory warranty. too early to warrant a car as reliable.

He is also under a lease... so in reality - he doesn't care. He will have a new ride long before reliability becomes an issue.

Audi, Benz, Bimmers are the blonde one- night stand, hit and quit girls with fake double Ds ready to take all your sh*t once you turn your back. The Genesis is the girl you take home to meet the family, the hard working, college educated girl WITH natural double Ds that you want to marry. Let that marinate...

To be honest - I would almost say the exact opposite. One-nighters are usually cheap - even over the long term if they are "repeat customers" The German cars are certainly not that. that being said - the German cars are also much more prestigious in appearance, refinement and luxuriousness. Problem is - like most women of the same categories... they just don't age very well - at least not without a lot of paint and bodywork. In both cases.

 

[Genentec]

clublexus carchat usually has monthly sales figures of all manufacturers.

actually the dh should be more compared with the a7. a8 comparisons are nice to.