2020 G90 (USA)

[leggy]

So I went to the dealership today in SoCal to check out the 2020 G90. Couldn't test drive it but sat in the car. First impression, the rear is nice, better than the picture, the front is less impressive, the headlights look small. It had the turbine wheels.
The shiny metal on the front grill looks fake, and because of that the grill looks cheap.
The inside was hard to tell it got changed from the previous model. The color was the light brown/orangish, which looked better in the pictures but personally didn't like it.
Overall I have mixed feeling. Unless I will get very good price I don't think I will shell out over low 800 including tax and out of the door.
May even hold longer and see how the GV80 looks in real.
Exterior was white which seemed to fit the car better than the previous model

 

[turnne]

Exactly, not to mention limo drivers. Few really need those back seat options.

I thought they actually thought a full size german car buyer would look at a G90?...Granted I never thought so

As for the room...there are a few other full size , and far more expensive cars, that have similar rear seat room

Some of those come with V-12 engine options as well...so there is a market

Warren

 

[turnne]

Discounts already!! AWD 5.0 gets almost $6k off...

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And I bet you can get about $15K off on one of the remaining 2019's

I have seen $14K off a new Kia K900

Warren

 

[PMCErnie]

I thought they actually thought a full size german car buyer would look at a G90?...Granted I never thought so

As for the room...there are a few other full size , and far more expensive cars, that have similar rear seat room

Some of those come with V-12 engine options as well...so there is a market

Warren

Do I recall correctly that you have a limo stable of vehicles?

 

[turnne]

Do I recall correctly that you have a limo stable of vehicles?

I do not...just two of them

Warren

 

[PMCErnie]

I do not...just two of them

Warren

Thanks. Somehow I had that impression.

 

[turnne]

Thanks. Somehow I had that impression.

Thanks.....Now You seem smart

Warren

 

[PMCErnie]

Thanks.....Now You seem smart

Warren

How do you utilize the two vehicles? For biz, or pleasure?

 

[turnne]

How do you utilize the two vehicles? For biz, or pleasure?

One for both..and one for pleasure
And how do you utilize your multiple vehichles?

Warren

 

[PMCErnie]

One for both..and one for pleasure
And how do you utilize your multiple vehichles?

Warren

I drive them both for pleasure; one at a time.

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[hero1975]

Having seen it at 2 different auto shows, I can say that in person it is a stunner! And it received a lot of attention and positive response at both shows. That said, it is a “big” car meant as a luxury cruiser. Nothing sport about it. It is also designed in some configurations for people with a driver, of which there are a lot in this metro area. I would also say that it will do well in the huge ”black car” business in this part of the country.

Personally, I like my G80 size better for me, just like my previous BMW 5-Series cars. But in person, it is hard to not appreciate how stunning the new G90 is and how much positive attention it draws. At the LA Auto Show for example, it drew as much attention as the Audis and Caddies right next to it.

Not for everybody, nor will everyone appreciate the design cues. But that’s what auto design is about. If it doesn’t ”offend” anyone, it won’t attract many people either. Good design has to make a statement and stand out from the crowd. And it should not appeal to everyone.

I've gotten alot of comments of how my 2019 G90 looks sporty. I love this car !

 

[Twolf]

I've gotten alot of comments of how my 2019 G90 looks sporty. I love this car !View attachment 26416

I have the same car and so glad I took the '19 over the '20. The surgeons who facelifted the '20 need their license revoked, what a botch. Good design stands on its own without gimmicks. That Adriatic blue is superb. My only regret is I do not have a garage.

 

[Twolf]

Having seen it at 2 different auto shows, I can say that in person it is a stunner! And it received a lot of attention and positive response at both shows. That said, it is a “big” car meant as a luxury cruiser. Nothing sport about it. It is also designed in some configurations for people with a driver, of which there are a lot in this metro area. I would also say that it will do well in the huge ”black car” business in this part of the country.

Personally, I like my G80 size better for me, just like my previous BMW 5-Series cars. But in person, it is hard to not appreciate how stunning the new G90 is and how much positive attention it draws. At the LA Auto Show for example, it drew as much attention as the Audis and Caddies right next to it.

Not for everybody, nor will everyone appreciate the design cues. But that’s what auto design is about. If it doesn’t ”offend” anyone, it won’t attract many people either. Good design has to make a statement and stand out from the crowd. And it should not appeal to everyone.

It is important to differentiate design from styling. A well designed car does not need to be overstyled. There is just way too much going on with the '20 facelift. Simple trumps overwrought every time.

 

[nwhit]

As when Bangle changed the BMW look, styling and design are personal preference. With 50+ years in the auto industry, I’ve seen many, many style changes. Some of the best/most successful had resistance/rejection initially. Having seen the G90 in person, I think the very qualified and talented team at Genesis did a decent job. But that is only the opinion of a group of people I’ve spoken with who also saw it in person. I also remember the day the Edsel showroom opened their doors on day one. Boy, was that a fiasco! Weren’t too many people around claiming it looked good! I was personally shocked when I first saw it and sat in it! Including the push button drive in the center of the steering wheel! Not all new designs work out, but I don’t think the G90 will have a significant acceptance problem.

 

[hero1975]

As when Bangle changed the BMW look, styling and design are personal preference. With 50+ years in the auto industry, I’ve seen many, many style changes. Some of the best/most successful had resistance/rejection initially. Having seen the G90 in person, I think the very qualified and talented team at Genesis did a decent job. But that is only the opinion of a group of people I’ve spoken with who also saw it in person. I also remember the day the Edsel showroom opened their doors on day one. Boy, was that a fiasco! Weren’t too many people around claiming it looked good! I was personally shocked when I first saw it and sat in it! Including the push button drive in the center of the steering wheel! Not all new designs work out, but I don’t think the G90 will have a significant acceptance problem.

Very good points. GM is going through the same thing with the new C-8 Corvette.

 

[nwhit]

When Chris Bangle changed the BMW look, I myself, along with many others, hated the new design and swore I would stay with my current 530. But I (and many others) were wrong. Bangle's new, highly curved/complex styling won out and BMW finally surpassed Merc as global premium car provider. It was, however, a real struggle. And it could only happen due to BMW's breakthrough technology that allowed a single stamping of compound curves.

Meanwhile, Audi, for example, elected to stay with very conservative, straight/clean, uncluttered styling. They didn't go out of business, but it did not help in their competition with BMW or Merc (who also changed to a more complex curve styling).

I remember also when Ford introduced the new Taurus years ago where that then "breakthrough" styling had no angles anywhere, only curves in what was termed an "organic" shape. They were highly criticized and sales were initially poor until the styling grew on people. Ironically, when Ford tried to discontinue the then very old Taurus in favor of the newly styled 500, there was such a backlash that Ford had to bring back the then-ancient Taurus.

I think Genesis' Luc and Sangyup both have excellent credentials and a reputation for good design decisions plus true talent. But any industrial design consists of making choices: personal, financial, time and technology-based (like with BMW). Each of the Genesis products, including the new G90 and GV80 involve making tough choices by those two people and others that contributed to the overall decision-making process. So far, both new vehicles are receiving pretty favourable press, and the G90 received very good response at the two major auto shows I attended.

But that doesn't mean they will please everyone, nor are they intended to. Anytime a company launches any new industrial design, it should be intened to create a certain amount of controversy or it will also not create any real attention or attraction. There are still many automobile customers who prefer the "conservative" look of Audi as compared to the BMW or Mercedes "complex" styling. Obviously there is room in the market for each of them.

 

[Mcc]

I thought they actually thought a full size german car buyer would look at a G90?...Granted I never thought so

As for the room...there are a few other full size , and far more expensive cars, that have similar rear seat room

Some of those come with V-12 engine options as well...so there is a market

Warren

According to MT: More than ever before, the 2020 G90 is a credible alternative to the traditional flagship sedan, and it's a compelling option for those hoping to stand out from the sea of S-Classes, 7 Series, and Audi A8s.

 

[Twolf]

According to MT: More than ever before, the 2020 G90 is a credible alternative to the traditional flagship sedan, and it's a compelling option for those hoping to stand out from the sea of S-Classes, 7 Series, and Audi A8s.

I have read your points and agree, however, you are referring to full designs front to back with Bangle BMW and Audi and Benz and even the new GV80. That means that even if one prefers one over the other, the design/styling is intentional and cohesive throughout the entire car. What Genesis has done to the G90 is not a redesign [whole new car], it is a sylistic facelift that altered pieces of it without considering how it relates and flows with the rest of the car's design. The 19's grille is obviously a variation on Audi, the 20's grille is a variation on Acura - huh?

By contrast, since you point it out, the S Class headlights have been reworked without affecting how the cluster fits into the body , same for tail lights . Those are updates, not facelifts. Just look at the seam between the rear bumper and rear quarter panel in the 19 compared to the 20, can't possibly call that an improvement. Details matter, where is the guy from Bentley objecting to this stuff?

Motor Trend, if I remember correctly, was a magazine that criticized the same practice when the Genesis coupe was facelifted citing that it should have been left alone, same here in my opinion. The Genesis design team may be good, but the faclift team needs an enema.

I admit that time may allow the eyes to adapt and accept the 20, but not like it for sure. I will hold on to my 19 until a redesign and see what that looks like when my lease ends in 2022. All very subjective I agree. Like I wrote elsewhere - I like it - and - I want it - is the deciding factor for these cars. Everyone decides for themselves.

 

[cmw]

I don't care for the matte wood trim that seem to be the trend with the G90.

 

[EdP]

I don't care for the matte wood trim that seem to be the trend with the G90.

My hand car wash place put something on it that brings out a nice luster. No a gloss, but better than the original dull. Looks great. Probably a dozen things at the auto store that will do the same.