333Hp? Why is Genesis so slow?

[drpearso]

Possibly but it's more likely that Hyundai is maturing as a company and going beyond chasing numbers. Lower HP (by only 9) in return for more low end torque is a great trade-off for the average driver. I wouldn't be surprised to see better performance in 30 to 80 passing tests.

I noticed that the 420HP numbers for the 2015 5.0 are the same as the 2013 5.0 IF you run regular gas. It says so in the books that come with the 2013. "420 HP using regular, 429 HP using premium."

 

[tompass]

Also noted that on the Hyundai USA site, HP and Torque figures are followed by "TBD".

 

[chronic]

After 60mph the Genesis does pull very strongly.

I'd imagine the R-spec V8 to be crazy after 60mph?

 

[EXBMWGUY]

^ Correct

 

[rsdukes]

Re: my 2 cents

First off, Thanks to all the previous posts for all the good info and the debunking of the bad....... which is why I am even in this forum!

Now for my 2 cents. Want to feel fast and input from the ground up? Try my $1,000 dollar 2002 Sebring convertible! V6 with 200 hp delivered for coming up to 170,000 miles. Oh Ya, Stomp on that petal and "feel" her fly. The throaty rumble from the leaky exhaust, the torque input felt in the steering wheel. Feels fast feels fun. really! But as fast as my Genesis???
Had 3 cars in mind, the Taurus, the Lacross, and the Genesis. None could compete with the felt "quickness" of my Sebring but only one could replace the driving experience I had from my 2000 740il, and that my boy was the Genesis. I guess I was the one the engineers designed her for.

Regards,
Berni



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[PMCErnie]

Re: my 2 cents

First off, Thanks to all the previous posts for all the good info and the debunking of the bad....... which is why I am even in this forum!

Now for my 2 cents. Want to feel fast and input from the ground up? Try my $1,000 dollar 2002 Sebring convertible! V6 with 200 hp delivered for coming up to 170,000 miles. Oh Ya, Stomp on that petal and "feel" her fly. The throaty rumble from the leaky exhaust, the torque input felt in the steering wheel. Feels fast feels fun. really! But as fast as my Genesis???
Had 3 cars in mind, the Taurus, the Lacross, and the Genesis. None could compete with the felt "quickness" of my Sebring but only one could replace the driving experience I had from my 2000 740il, and that my boy was the Genesis. I guess I was the one the engineers designed her for.

Regards,
Berni

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Well put! It's the whole tree that counts, not just one branch.

 

[zielritter]

Re: my 2 cents

First off, Thanks to all the previous posts for all the good info and the debunking of the bad....... which is why I am even in this forum!

Now for my 2 cents. Want to feel fast and input from the ground up? Try my $1,000 dollar 2002 Sebring convertible! V6 with 200 hp delivered for coming up to 170,000 miles. Oh Ya, Stomp on that petal and "feel" her fly. The throaty rumble from the leaky exhaust, the torque input felt in the steering wheel. Feels fast feels fun. really! But as fast as my Genesis???
Had 3 cars in mind, the Taurus, the Lacross, and the Genesis. None could compete with the felt "quickness" of my Sebring but only one could replace the driving experience I had from my 2000 740il, and that my boy was the Genesis. I guess I was the one the engineers designed her for.

Regards,
Berni



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Throw an exhaust and intake on the Genesis and you can produce some of the same "aura" that people equate with speed as well. As many have stated, it's the throttle tip in that causes people to mis-evaluate this car's speed.

My 5-speed Elantra with 138hp would jump off the line and squeal its tires at will, but it couldn't break 7 seconds 0-60. Still fun as hell to drive. Same reason people buy the MX-5/Miata. The illusion of speed through tuning of gears, peak torque, throttle, and even suspension is just as thrilling some times as actually having a quantitatively fast vehicle.

 

[7i bigblock]

Very debatable issue. Ive followed most all Hyundai and Brother KIA testing. Ive driven the older and new Genesis v6 and v8. The v6 seems slow, the v8 , seems very peppy -fast. The v6 transmission does not help the feel of the car. My theory is , to help meet the longevity of the Warranty , the electronic controls are set very Conservative and limit performance---in a lot of cases , not all . Also, there is a large lack of consistency in performance times-- in Hyundai and KIA ---talking within all models--- dont specifically know where , but its within a mechanical build variance or electronic control variance. Or maybe limited quality control. As for the Genesis v6 seeming slow ,but has pretty good 0-60 times. It indicates poor partial throttle response, which is a continuous thing we do with our cars--- not flooring it all the time. Fuel efficiency is going on -especially with the v6 and customers expect. Modern Hyundai is a young company --- that is in a lot of ways light-years ahead of the competition, but has a few wrinkles to iron out. Thanks 7i bigblock

 

[consilius]

Driven camry back to back with my 4.6. Camry definitely quicker 0-50km/h. But 80-130km/h, genesis is definitely faster.

 

[Gen 4.6]

according to "0-60 times" the 2012 genesis v-6 sedan....0-60=5.4 seconds 1/4 mile =13.8 seconds...hope that helps

Does it have the performance for the 4.6?...just curious.

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[flynblind]

I've owned both the 2012 V6 fully loaded and the 2013 RSpec. For a full sized, luxury sedan, both models are exceptional in acceleration. From my experience, the 2012 3.8 V6 accelerated 0-60 in 5.9 seconds. These are not track verifiable numbers but more ad hoc timing with "performance" friends. The greatest thing about the V6 model was the fuel economy. I drove 1700 miles on the highway (not being nice to the gas pedal at all) averaging about 75 MPH (some stretches well about 100) and averaged 33MPG for the entire trip which is great numbers for a heavy sedan.

The RSpec is another story. Drive it right and you will put a smile on anyone's face, spectators and passengers alike. I have had entire groups of grown men in this car exclaim, "Oh ****!", when I get on it. From my experience, the 2013 5.0 V8 RSpec accelerates 0-60 in 4.9 seconds. Again, not track verified. The greatest thing about the RSpec, as you might expect, IT IS NOT THE FUEL ECONOMY, is the performance of this 4200lb beast from about 60 to ~135. Well, that and outrunning a 2012 Mustang GT convertible that a co-worker owns in a big, luxury car.

Both models are great! The V6 lacks in the acceleration over the RSpec but does get considerably better gas mileage with a decent amount of get up and go. Own an RSpec for a month and get used to its little quirks like the lagging accelerator pedal and you will see what a truly fun car it is and still have all of the amenities could possibly want.

As an interesting side note, these numbers are pretty close to what this 0-60 calculator outputs (http://www.060calculator.com/ )

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Could not have said it better (about the R-Spec)!

 

[chronic]

Watch videos of the Toyota V6. Notice how agile and eager the Toyota/Lexus V6 is. Also notice how the noises generated by the engine are pleasant? The mechanical bits n pieces producing sonorous acoustics. The Genesis requires a tone of sound deadening to eliminate the drone cacophonous noise the engine makes.

Also interesting is how the RAV4 V6 was quicker than Genesis

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEr19ihnOSs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g5EZzPbbLaA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJWdW85rDk

 

[AgentSmith007]

Watch videos of the Toyota V6. Notice how agile and eager the Toyota/Lexus V6 is. Also notice how the noises generated by the engine are pleasant? The mechanical bits n pieces producing sonorous acoustics. The Genesis requires a tone of sound deadening to eliminate the drone cacophonous noise the engine makes.

Also interesting is how the RAV4 V6 was quicker than Genesis

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Are you Toyota salesman?

 

[Aquineas]

Are you Toyota salesman?

Either way, he/she is a troll .

 

[Audio]

just like with the original post.....3 years ago.... it needs to be mentioned that the Genesis is heavier. It weighs almost 4100lbs. It's also built more for comfort than a midsize eco sedan like a Camry so it's going to feel more numb, subdued, and have more sound insulation for engine/road/tire noise to be minimized(not just because the V6 which is only 1 of 2 engine options) doesn't sound pleasant per subjective opinion. The transmission electronics are not going to be set for sporty, fast, harsh shifts; they're setting it up for more smoothness and comfort which will feel more sluggish. People are comparing apples to oranges here. They're not anywhere near the same cars and 0-60 times are not everything to every vehicle. You're picking one tiny stat to compare vehicles overall.

 

[1FstYota]

It's probably all in how the throttle pedal is electrionically setup to give a slow off the start and linear feel. The V6 believe or not will smoke the tires and get the car sideways pretty easy, if the throttle is setup 1 to 1 with no traction control you can get this car sideways pretty easy and makes it super sketch in the wet.

There's many times on the stock 17s where merging in traffic with plenty of throttle input cause rear wheel slippage and traction control to kick in at the worst times where you need power the most.

 

[Audio]

traction control to kick in at the worst times where you need power the most.

That right there is a monstrous issue I find with my Genesis. It has one of the most intrusive TCS systems ever. It's WAY too eager to cut power at the slightest idea of losing traction and is FAR too intrusive in it's function.

 

[1FstYota]

That right there is a monstrous issue I find with my Genesis. It has one of the most intrusive TCS systems ever. It's WAY too eager to cut power at the slightest idea of losing traction and is FAR too intrusive in it's function.

Yea, believe me it almost caused a few wrecks. But the Gen 1 genesis does drift nicely on all 4 when you balance the car right.

So I'm for certain the throttle has been toned down quite a bit, you think your giving it 50 percent throttle the ecm probably giving it in a linear fashion.

 

[dhall57]

333HP? Why is the Genesis so slow as this post is titled. That's kind of funny because I have never thought that. In past threads I have even stated that the 333hp 3.8 V6 is no slouch and it's not IMO. If you purchased this car for the 0 to 60 times or drag racing from stop light to stop light you got the wrong car. It a 4 door luxury sedan for goodness sakes.