Buying the new 2015 Hyundai Genesis

[tonyboysmith]

Hello Everyone,
I am new to this forum.
I am in the market for a new sedan.
Loved the 2015 genesis among all the cars I drove. These are the things I like in the car:
1- looks
2- standard options
3- interior
4- drive & feel.
5- Price -better competitive/negotiable than any other car
6- wonderful warranty
7- Rear space

The only other car I am considering is the new TLX. The base TLX v6 is more or less in the same price range and has almost similar power as the '15 genesis 3.8.
I agree that the genesis is a better looker, also comes with many standard options than TLX.
However there are a few things that still pulls me towards TLX:
1- The acura brand's name & Reliability.
2- MPG. Tlx has the concept of shutting down one of the cylinders at slow speeds thereby increasing fuel efficiency [mpg as 22-34] - i know its not a lot & I shouldn't look for mpg when shopping cars in this class. But common !!! who wouldn't be interested.
3- All wheel steer- Fancy new stuff they are introducing, but not sure how good that may be.
4- Drive feel is almost up there with the genesis
5- Call me cheap, but insurance is $80 less than the Genesis for 6 months ,
I understand this is a genesis forum, though I still need your honest opinion since you are already driving or have driven one. I would like to know the following
1- MPG , does the eco mode has any significance on gas consumption
2- How good is the cost of maintenance (heard Acura requires premium gas and high service maintenance), does Genesis require premium gas and how much you spend on maintenance
3- Reliability- any major complaints/issues , recalls
4- I m planning to keep the car for long , so is it reliable when it comes to running beyond 100k miles.
Please don't mind my ignorance and point anything if I may have overlooked. Your opinion will help me a lot in making the decision.
Thank you in advance,
Tony.

 

[kev4]

Nice ad, I am sure you will make the right decision. I am on my seventh Hyundai and I classify Hyundai as an extremely dependable car.

 

[italiabrain]

Hello Everyone,
I am new to this forum.
I am in the market for a new sedan.
Loved the 2015 genesis among all the cars I drove. These are the things I like in the car:
1- looks
2- standard options
3- interior
4- drive & feel.
5- Price -better competitive/negotiable than any other car
6- wonderful warranty
7- Rear space

The only other car I am considering is the new TLX. The base TLX v6 is more or less in the same price range and has almost similar power as the '15 genesis 3.8.
I agree that the genesis is a better looker, also comes with many standard options than TLX.
However there are a few things that still pulls me towards TLX:
1- The acura brand's name & Reliability.
2- MPG. Tlx has the concept of shutting down one of the cylinders at slow speeds thereby increasing fuel efficiency [mpg as 22-34] - i know its not a lot & I shouldn't look for mpg when shopping cars in this class. But common !!! who wouldn't be interested.
3- All wheel steer- Fancy new stuff they are introducing, but not sure how good that may be.
4- Drive feel is almost up there with the genesis
5- Call me cheap, but insurance is $80 less than the Genesis for 6 months ,
I understand this is a genesis forum, though I still need your honest opinion since you are already driving or have driven one. I would like to know the following
1- MPG , does the eco mode has any significance on gas consumption
2- How good is the cost of maintenance (heard Acura requires premium gas and high service maintenance), does Genesis require premium gas and how much you spend on maintenance
3- Reliability- any major complaints/issues , recalls
4- I m planning to keep the car for long , so is it reliable when it comes to running beyond 100k miles.
Please don't mind my ignorance and point anything if I may have overlooked. Your opinion will help me a lot in making the decision.
Thank you in advance,
Tony.

A couple scattered comments on what you've discussed:
The TLX is a perfectly nice car. The biggest detractors for me are front wheel drive and rear seat space, and some options. The car now straddles the spaces vacated by the TL and TSX. The all wheel steer is a neat feature if the entire group of cars you're looking at are front wheel drive, but the entire point of the system is to make it handle less like a front wheel drive car.

I can't speak specifically for Acura, but with my previous Infiniti I had no issues getting service at a local Nissan dealer. The waiting area wasn't fancy, but everything was a good bit cheaper and the nearest Infiniti dealer was about an hour away. My G37s coupe was also nearly identical for them to work on as a 370Z. I had to go through an approval process on the phone with corporate, but they even let me have some warranty work done at the Nissan dealer. Point being, if you're really concerned about saving a couple dollars on general maintenance you may be able to take a TLX to a Honda dealer.

As far as complaints on the Genesis. It sounds like you're looking at a 3.8, so many people are unhappy that it doesn't have foglights. Some people have also reported a rattle around the sunroof which I have not experienced at all on my 5.0 with the same roof.

In the form of FWD V6 TLX vs RWD V6 Genesis I would go with the Genesis by a pretty large margin myself. If, however, you live in a snowy area and you're comparing AWD V6 to AWD V6 that gets a little bit hairier. I think I would still go with the Genesis, but I'd really have to think about that one.

 

[Nikgen]

As far as complaints on the Genesis. It sounds like you're looking at a 3.8, so many people are unhappy that it doesn't have foglights. Some people have also reported a rattle around the sunroof which I have not experienced at all on my 5.0 with the same roof.

While you may have not experienced it (and I hope you don't), there is no way that the sunroof rattle is a 3.8 "exclusive" - consider yourself lucky 😉.

 

[ksoze]

Motorweek just did a review of the 2015 TLX - may be up on their site. They seemed to like it overall but it is a smaller car and the rear legroom was no where near the Genesis. I also am not a fan of the front end at all.

I also think Acura is not the darling it once was. Questionable styling and model confusion over the last few years has lost a lot of fans.

 

[Alwaysforward]

We just spent 600 miles in our new 2015 5.0 Genesis Ultimate and have no regrets switching from Honda to a Hyundai. This car is truly amazing with all the bells and whistles. We got just under 23mpg with the ECO on. That my friend, is great gas mileage for a 5.0 engine.

The first leg of our trip we left it in Sport mode and got 19.6 (calculated, not just the cars tracker which said we got 19.9). The second leg of our trip was set to normal drive mode and got 20.6 (calculated). The last leg of our trip we got 22.4 (cars tracker, haven't filled it up yet to calculate it.)

If it was me, Genesis all the way... Just my 2 cents.

 

[italiabrain]

While you may have not experienced it (and I hope you don't), there is no way that the sunroof rattle is a 3.8 "exclusive" - consider yourself lucky 😉.

Didn't say or think it was. Tried to make that clear by explicitly stating I have the same roof, but yes very lucky indeed. It would aggravate me to no end.

 

[Onuriss]

I was in the market, not to long ago, and was also seriously considering the TLX. I was completely ready to get one as soon as they became available. Heck, I was even on the waiting list. I saw a new Genesis on the road and decided to do a test drive... It was just amazing! In one shot, I went from die-hard Honda fan (20 years worth of nothing but Hondas) and turned into a Genesis fan.

You can read everyone's feedback here, but in my mind I think it really depends on if you want a Sport/Semi-Luxury Vehicle (TLX) or a Luxury Vehicle (Genesis).

The Genesis is not a sports car. You will not get the same driving feedback from the Genesis that you could in the TLX. That said, no matter which Genesis configuration you go with it has plenty of power and feels super stable at any speed.

The Genesis is a luxury car. The Genesis safety features, crash test ratings, feature set, ride comfort, and noise isolation (to mention just a few) are far above anything you will get in the TLX (Sorry, no offense Honda).

For me, the Genesis was the way to go. I got the HTRAC (All Wheel Drive) Ultimate and am happy as can be. The feature set is not even close between the two. Additionally, the TLX doesn't hold a candle to the styling on the Genesis. The Genesis makes the TLX look like a bit of an ugly duckling (Again, sorry Honda).

 

[lobsenza]

The Genesis uses regular fuel on the V6. The V8 can use regular or premium, you will get slightly more power on premium.

The complete package on the Genesis is awesome, much better than most comparably priced vehicles. I recommend either the tech or the ultimate packages becuase of the safety features.

Remember to compare the TLX and Genesis safety features and crash tests. So far, I have not seen any vehicle from any manufacturer that performs better in crash safety than the Genesis. Do a Google search on Genesis Driverless Convoy to see the safety features in action. Very impressive.

 

[Onuriss]

The Genesis uses regular fuel on the V6. The V8 can use regular or premium, you will get slightly more power on premium.

The complete package on the Genesis is awesome, much better than most comparably priced vehicles. I recommend either the tech or the ultimate packages becuase of the safety features.

Remember to compare the TLX and Genesis safety features and crash tests. So far, I have not seen any vehicle from any manufacturer that performs better in crash safety than the Genesis. Do a Google search on Genesis Driverless Convoy to see the safety features in action. Very impressive.

Great points all around...

The Tech or Ultimate packages are definitely the way to go. There really is no comparing the TLX's features to the Genesis'. The TLX takes a beating in that arena, even though Honda has tried hard to add a lot of safety features. One of the main things I didn't like with the TLX was the dual screen infotainment unit. It always seems oddly out of place. I'm sure there are good reasons for it, but I don't get it. The HD 9.2-inch LCD screen is amazing. I love the clarity of it. Oh, and the Heads Up Display (HUD) is really great too.

The safety ratings should be close. The TLX hasn't been tested yet, but Honda projects a good rating across the board. Meanwhile the Genesis has been tested and is a IIHS 2014 Top Safety Pick.

The Empty Car Convoy and The Blind Test Drive videos are my favorites. Great videos showing the car's awesome features.

Lastly, on gas and mileage. The manufacturer suggested octane for the TLX is Premium 91+ octane for either the 2.4 or 3.5 engines. The Genesis can use Regular 87 octane (I usually use 89). When you compare the price per mile cost, the two cars are very comparable.

Hope this helps you decide

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[lobsenza]

I expect the TLX to get a good safety rating, but not as good as the Genesis. The Genesis did perfectly in almost every IIHS test. No other vehicle from any manufacturer has done that. Because of this, I think the Genesis is the safest vehicle sold in the US, perhaps in the world.

In addition, the Genesis excels in passive safety. It got the top IIHS rating. But, the reality is, it is better than the top IIHS rating. IIHS requires a vehicle to slow a specific amount from a low speed and high speed front object detection. The Genesis can come to a complete stop from up to 50 MPH. This far exceeds the criteria for the IIHS top passive accident avoidance rating.

 

[roblaw]

Thank you for bringing this comparison up. I have driven neither but will probably be replacing my 2012 Genesis next year.

From what I have read it sounds like you pay more, you get more, unless you really value sporty handling in which case the TLX AWD with probably provide a sportier drive overall.

It would seem to me the best comparison is the TLX Advance Model to the 3.8 Tech + Signature. In either event the overall cost over 5 years will be higher on the Genesis. Even with premium gas in the mix, the TLX is going to have markedly lower fuel costs if you do largely urban driving (like I do). I would expect a TLX to do 20 (+) in the city and I get 14-15 in my 2012 Genesis. Where I am premium runs about 8% higher than regular. I expect the 2015 to do no better given it weighs more with the same drive train. The difference will be much smaller if you do a lot of highway driving where the Genesis does upper 20s and I expect the Acura's advantage to be less.

A 2015 3.8 RWD is $46,500.00 with Signature and Tech compared to $41,500.00 for a FWD TLX Advance. While we all appreciate the value of the Genesis, the market is not there yet. So residuals on the Acura are likely to be better. The maintenance costs are probably a wash, although the dealer experience with Acura is likely to be a bit more upscale. I am, however, happy with my local Hyundai dealer who gives me a loaner for service and is very close by, so that alone would not make change my preference.

From what I have read the new TLX has remedied the noise problem from previous Acuras and is now competitively quiet for a luxury vehicle. Ride sounds OK but is probably not in the same league as the Genesis if the reviews I have read are accurate. But again, handling is likely sportier in a TLX. Room and interior quality seem squarely in the Genesis's favor. Reliability is probably a wash too. If you do not want to pay for AWD and live in a snowy area, the TLX has an advantage too.

Both cars are decent looking vehicles with the TLX looking sportier to me and the Genesis more elegant and upscale (again, to me).

So it seems like if you prefer luxury, comfort, room and elegance over sporty luxury and are willing pay about $2000.00+ more per year considering fuel, purchase price and resale value over a 5 year period, the Genesis is the right choice. If you are less concerned with ride and room and want to keep the extra cash you will not lose with a loaded TLX.

However, I am now more excited to drive both (and the C300 which is also under consideration).

 

[Genpire]

insurance on my Genesis coming from my 2011 Sorento....15 bucks more per 6 months. I fully expect this to either go up or down once insurance companies get a better understanding of what this car is going to cost them to fix. when more people wreck them, etc. the Genesis is too new right now. Heck, my insurance company didn't even have the VINs yet. I had to call them because the online tool didn't know what the car was based on the VIN I put in.

as far as TLX vs. Genesis....well you know where I stand on that arena and for most of all the reasons listed above.

every time I come out of the garage and see that new genesis....I feel so fancy. first few times....I thought...when did I buy an Aston Martin.

my 2001 f150 has the older 5.4....gets about 13-15 on the highway. so a 5.0 with more power getting low 20s on the highway is outsanding.

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

I drove an Acura TSX 2004 in my past life By the year 3 it was a damn rattle box. The Gen 1st generation I sold was absolutely rattle free for the 5 years before I sold it last month.

Just saying.

 

[tonyboysmith]

Really Appreciate all the responses.
Design wise the following things in the Acura TLX didn't impress me much
1) The "beak" grill - Seems old
2) For a car which is sportier [290hp] should have the rear diffuser out instead under the body
Just my opinion. The electronic gear selector though looks cool.
Also the base v6 model in the TLX has not many standard options when compared to the base genesis.

 

[Mark_888]

I drove an Acura TSX 2004 in my past life By the year 3 it was a damn rattle box. The Gen 1st generation I sold was absolutely rattle free for the 5 years before I sold it last month.

Just saying.

The 2004 TSX was basically a 2004 Civic. The TLX is based on the new Accord. 10 years is a long time. Have you driven any 2004 Hyundai's?

I am not saying that the 2015 TLX is as good as the 2015 Genesis, but comparisons to a totally different car built in 2004 may not be fair.

 

[YEH]

The TLX, while a midsize, is on the smaller end of scale (albeit Acura kept about the same interior room as the larger TL) and the Genesis sedan is on the larger end of the spectrum.

Despite being a midsize, like most FWD-based luxury models, is usually slotted against the compacts.

 

[tsandco]

Wouldn't the RL a better comparison to the Genesis?

 

[italiabrain]

The 2004 TSX was basically a 2004 Civic. The TLX is based on the new Accord. 10 years is a long time. Have you driven any 2004 Hyundai's?

I am not saying that the 2015 TLX is as good as the 2015 Genesis, but comparisons to a totally different car built in 2004 may not be fair.

The TSX was basically the non-US accord. The US accord isn't sold in most places from my understanding. The ILX is the model that is basically a Civic.

 

[italiabrain]

Wouldn't the RL a better comparison to the Genesis?

Sort of. The Genesis is positioned as an over-sized midsize for better or worse. Hyundai would prefer you compare the RL to the Equus if you're going to compare at all. That being said the RL has no V8, no turbo 6 and is FWD or heavily front-biased AWD so I personally wouldn't even consider when looking for a luxury car.

Other than the external styling I think there was a lot to like about the outgoing TL-SH at its pricepoint, particularly the manual option. With the decision to run their AWD systems with the engine driving the front I think they've diminished the SH-AWD system compared to the mechanical one that it replaces.