G70 US Availability?

[Genny Guy]

With the G70 announced at the NY autoshow and it looks like cars are starting to be delivered in Canada....when you you think the US will see the official launch? I stopped at a dealer last week, and they were clueless about the G70.

At this point, us at dealerships know as much as you. Nothing has started to show in our systems yet. Hyundai always releases late. I would not expect this vehicle until September.

 

[devellis]

This probably has nothing to do with when the car will be released but I was reading recently about how turbo engines can perform appreciably less well in high temperatures, especially if their heat exchangers are a bit on the small side. Don't know if that applies to the G70, although I suspect if it did, we'd have heard about the issue with the Stinger by now. But the denser air and more efficient heat dissipation that September weather affords, relative to July for example, may help the G70 garner better performance and thus more positive reviews once formal road tests are done. Canada and Korea (Seoul is at about the same latitude as Richmond, VA) both have cooler average temperatures, I imagine, than many parts of the US or Australia. Probably just a coincidence but, as I say, it might have a benefit if automotive journalists do their testing after the summer's hottest weather has passed.

 

[Genny Guy]

This probably has nothing to do with when the car will be released but I was reading recently about how turbo engines can perform appreciably less well in high temperatures, especially if their heat exchangers are a bit on the small side. Don't know if that applies to the G70, although I suspect if it did, we'd have heard about the issue with the Stinger by now. But the denser air and more efficient heat dissipation that September weather affords, relative to July for example, may help the G70 garner better performance and thus more positive reviews once formal road tests are done. Canada and Korea (Seoul is at about the same latitude as Richmond, VA) both have cooler average temperatures, I imagine, than many parts of the US or Australia. Probably just a coincidence but, as I say, it might have a benefit if automotive journalists do their testing after the summer's hottest weather has passed.

Very interesting, but I dont believe that to be the case. For one, the G80 Sport was in showrooms in May of last year. Take it from a guy that has worked for Hyundai the last 5 years, they just are always late. In September of 2016 we were supposed to receive our 1st G90, the vehicle did not arrive until November and that was on lm y because we already the car sold and had to twist Genesis' arm to get the vehicle out of port. They are slow.

 

[devellis]

Very interesting, but I dont believe that to be the case. For one, the G80 Sport was in showrooms in May of last year. Take it from a guy that has worked for Hyundai the last 5 years, they just are always late. In September of 2016 we were supposed to receive our 1st G90, the vehicle did not arrive until November and that was on lm y because we already the car sold and had to twist Genesis' arm to get the vehicle out of port. They are slow.

I don't think we're disagreeing. Note, I said that "This probably has nothing to do with when the car will be released..." I totally agree with you that other factors are the reasons for the delay.

I was merely speculating that there might be an unintended marketing advantage to a later arrival if there actually is a performance benefit to cooler weather, which I'm pretty sure there is. Not sure how big that difference is, but I do know that at a drag strip, competitors sometimes pack ice around their air intake pathway to chill the air prior to combustion. It doesn't make much difference for the gas, but chilling the air increases its density and thus the amount of oxygen the engine gets. Obviously, for anything longer than the duration of a drag race, it would be a futile exercise because the engine heat warms the the air pathway in pretty short order. But cooler ambient temperatures should make some difference and might make timed runs just a tiny bit quicker. Shaving a fraction of a second off the 0-60 or quarter-mile or lap time for a road test is good for bragging rights.

 

[Mark_888]

I was merely speculating that there might be an unintended marketing advantage to a later arrival if there actually is a performance benefit to cooler weather, which I'm pretty sure there is.

For a new model, they usually invite all the automotive press to a central location where they can all test the car for a couple of days. I would not be surprised if that has already happened.

 

[Genny Guy]

I don't think we're disagreeing. Note, I said that "This probably has nothing to do with when the car will be released..." I totally agree with you that other factors are the reasons for the delay.

I was merely speculating that there might be an unintended marketing advantage to a later arrival if there actually is a performance benefit to cooler weather, which I'm pretty sure there is. Not sure how big that difference is, but I do know that at a drag strip, competitors sometimes pack ice around their air intake pathway to chill the air prior to combustion. It doesn't make much difference for the gas, but chilling the air increases its density and thus the amount of oxygen the engine gets. Obviously, for anything longer than the duration of a drag race, it would be a futile exercise because the engine heat warms the the air pathway in pretty short order. But cooler ambient temperatures should make some difference and might make timed runs just a tiny bit quicker. Shaving a fraction of a second off the 0-60 or quarter-mile or lap time for a road test is good for bragging rights.

I see your point, forgive the misread. However a lot of media outlets have had access to the vehicle and posted times and breakdowns. I dont know if any US outlets have however. Also, those would not have been with US spec vehicles.On another note from what I understand, ours should be lighter than what's in Korea and possibly Canada. Nothing has been confirmed. Not even an official curb weight, just "lighter" and possibly a louder exhaust, although I doubt it.

 

[tymless]

They just posted another tweet.

"It’s coming soon. It will be released late Summer 2018. To pass the time, think of those kappa leather seats with premium stitching."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1007316128593399808

The tweet @Aquineas is referring to:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1007246335739875328

FWIW, they're starting to tweet more regarding the G70.

Genesis USA (@GenesisUSA) | Twitter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1009798096958709761

https://twitter.com/x/status/1009982052794585093

 

[devellis]

Yeah, the effort to spread the word of the G70's US appearance is definitely gearing up. A good sign.

 

[ctrcbob]

I just think about these cars sitting in a port holding area, in the hot summer sun, for weeks and momths. Can't be doing the interiors any good. For this reason alone. I would not want an early build car. (Assuming I like the car once I see it in person and like the test drive).

 

[Tonester]

Another new tweet from Genesis USA promoting a G70 article from @autoevolution

https://twitter.com/x/status/1010507770423062528

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[larrymg1]

Here is the Genesis USA twitter link:
Genesis USA (@GenesisUSA) | Twitter

 

[Tonester]

I just think about these cars sitting in a port holding area, in the hot summer sun, for weeks and momths. Can't be doing the interiors any good. For this reason alone. I would not want an early build car. (Assuming I like the car once I see it in person and like the test drive).

It's been stated on this forum that what you're saying is true and that cars are sitting somewhere in port; presumably near San Pedro, CA? If this is true, how can it be that nobody has gotten spy shots of them? Also, one would hope the cars are at least covered and out of the elements.

I agree with you that if it's true and these cars are exposed to the elements in some shipping port, I wouldn't want one of these early cars for the same reasons you state.

 

[Mark_888]

It's been stated on this forum that what you're saying is true and that cars are sitting somewhere in port; presumably near San Pedro, CA? If this is true, how can it be that nobody has gotten spy shots of them? Also, one would hope the cars are at least covered and out of the elements.

I agree with you that if it's true and these cars are exposed to the elements in some shipping port, I wouldn't want one of these early cars for the same reasons you state.

I believe there are about 4 ports that Hyundai uses, some on east coast and some on west coast.

I don't see why spy shots are needed, since it has been released in Korea, and recently in Canada, as was shown at some US auto shows. There is nothing secret about what they look like, the only questions are the trim levels and prices.

 

[AnyVare]

Another new tweet from Genesis USA promoting a G70 article from @autoevolution

https://twitter.com/x/status/1010507770423062528

The only issue with these tweets is that the information is old already. It's odd that GenesisUSA is tweeting on the 23rd about an article dated the 12th. Typically tweets are a way to get "new" information out. I think there is "NO" new information about the release and these tweets are just filler while they argue with the US dealers. And as for the speculation about the cars already being here and sitting in the port for months... If that is true, then what a complete and utter Fxxx Up this car launch has been. At this point, I would guess they have missed their opportunity and are losing a ton of cash every day. Not good. Not good at all.

 

[Tonester]

I believe there are about 4 ports that Hyundai uses, some on east coast and some on west coast.

I don't see why spy shots are needed, since it has been released in Korea, and recently in Canada, as was shown at some US auto shows. There is nothing secret about what they look like, the only questions are the trim levels and prices.

Regarding spy shots, I'm not suggesting we'd be able to see any US specific info about trims or other, just suggesting that a spy shot of cars in a known US location would at least prove that the cars have arrived on US soil. Agreed the more interesting info would have to come from Genesis USA as far as pricing and trim levels / options for the US and not from spy shots.

So do most people on this forum believe the cars are here in the US or was that just propaganda/rumors to get us excited?

 

[devellis]

Regarding spy shots, I'm not suggesting we'd be able to see any US specific info about trims or other, just suggesting that a spy shot of cars in a known US location would at least prove that the cars have arrived on US soil. Agreed the more interesting info would have to come from Genesis USA as far as pricing and trim levels / options for the US and not from spy shots.

So do most people on this forum believe the cars are here in the US or was that just propaganda/rumors to get us excited?

I agree that spy shots would serve the purpose of verifying that cars are in the US (something I would think automotive journalists would have some interest in confirming) rather than providing images of what the car looks like (something we already know). As far as whether they're actually in port, that, by definition, is a rumor. I doubt that it's propaganda or necessarily intended to get people excited, as it seems to produce more frustration than actual excitement. But we just don't know yet whether it's true or not (hence, "rumor"). And I don't think it really matters all that much. If the cars aren't going to hit dealer lots before August or September, it doesn't matter much to me where they are before then. When cars leave a factory, they have to sit somewhere. Whether it's in a big lot in Korea, at a Korean port, or at a US port, I have to believe that a manufacturer based in a peninsular nation would know how to protect them from the elements. I remember back in the day when I got my first Datsun (pre-Nissan) 240-Z, the car had rust under the chrome trim. It was pretty much a ubiquitous problem with those cars back then and might have been exacerbated by the cars' sitting in a port somewhere. But things have changed a lot since 1972 and car manufacturers are well aware of the hazards cars might face and do a good job of mitigating them. Even with cars on transport trucks, we now see a lot of panel-protecting plastic that was unheard of back in 1972. Manufacturers have learned their lessons and take pretty good care of their cars. If I'm wrong about this, there would certainly be a stormy reception when these premium cars show up at dealerships with obvious signs of poor handling in transit. I just don't think that will happen.

No matter where the cars actually are, I think it's pretty clear that Genesis USA hasn't done a very good job of introducing the G70 in the US. In fact, it's been a fiasco. Hopefully, it will all end well when they finally get the cars onto lots. The company has a lot riding on this. I hope they realize that. More importantly, I hope they act in accordance with that realization.

 

[Slides]

Genesis USA are a bunch of c.o.c.k teasers

 

[YEH]

Likely not having much to do w/ the situation for Genesis in the US, but the Australian launch (which originally had been slated for around the same time as the US launch - April-May) is set for Oct.

Genesis Australia will be taking a diff. tack by going w/ Genesis/Hyundai owned showrooms (starting w/ Sydney, then Melbourne and Brisbane in 2019) - so similar to what Genesis Canada has done, but company-owned.

Has to do w/ dealer groups not willing to pony up the $$ for what is currently a 2 model brand (the G90 will not be offered in Australia); not surprising considering how Infiniti has fared down under (the Kia Stinger, alone, outsells the entire Infiniti lineup).

Genesis to launch without dealerships | Drive.com.au

On a side note, Genesis, including the G70, is doing pretty well in Saudi Arabia.

 

[Aquineas]

Kind of a tangent related to storage yards, but in the Houston area there is a *massive* fenced-in area next to a rail yard off the Hardy toll road that has a boatload of new vehicles from various manufacturers, presumably waiting for local transport to dealerships in the Houston metropolitan area. I don't *believe* Houston is a port for new vehicles (though I could be wrong), so in the case of Genesis, it's entirely possible that some of these vehicles have been shipped off to similar rail yards in other metro areas until the green-light for delivery happens. No real info here other than it's a possibility that they're not sitting in California or Jacksonville or wherever. Of course, Houston isn't that far from the coast either...

 

[Mark_888]

Kind of a tangent related to storage yards, but in the Houston area there is a *massive* fenced-in area next to a rail yard off the Hardy toll road that has a boatload of new vehicles from various manufacturers, presumably waiting for local transport to dealerships in the Houston metropolitan area. I don't *believe* Houston is a port for new vehicles (though I could be wrong), so in the case of Genesis, it's entirely possible that some of these vehicles have been shipped off to similar rail yards in other metro areas until the green-light for delivery happens. No real info here other than it's a possibility that they're not sitting in California or Jacksonville or wherever. Of course, Houston isn't that far from the coast either...

I am not sure why you say Houston is not a port for new vehicles. A quick google search shows that many automakers import cars into the Houston area, either port of Houston or nearby ports in Galveston, Freeport, Bayport, etc.