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GENESIS ANNOUNCES ALL-NEW 2021 GENESIS G80 PRICING; STARTS AT COMPETITIVE $47,700

If you want to change your argument to that position fine, but if you are talking about the number of dealers (or amount of dealers as you put it) as you originally were then your statement was incorrect. Why do you and others find it so hard to admit making a mistake? I just don't understand it. Are people's egos that fragile that they can't handle it. We all make mistakes when posting/speaking, it is nothing to get worked up about and try and tap dance around.

What in the wide world are on about honestly. I clearly clarified STAND-ALONE dealerships in my follow up post, but you’re still banging on about dealerships that have Elantra’s on the floor as G70s.

The original argument was the access to the G70 vs the IS, I honestly had no idea that in the US brand new Genesis are sold on the same floor and serviced at the same Hyundai dealership. In Canada Genesis has been a separate entity since the G80 Sport debut.
 
What in the wide world are on about honestly. I clearly clarified STAND-ALONE dealerships in my follow up post, but you’re still banging on about dealerships that have Elantra’s on the floor as G70s.

The original argument was the access to the G70 vs the IS, I honestly had no idea that in the US brand new Genesis are sold on the same floor and serviced at the same Hyundai dealership. In Canada Genesis has been a separate entity since the G80 Sport debut.

LOL Whatever makes you feel better but at least you acknowledge you had no idea what you were talking about.
 
There is little change within the same generation. For example 2017 G90 is virtually identical to 2019 G90. Same holds for G80 too. For me, what I actually get is the most important, the four digit number in front of the car model name does not bother me at all.

So go buy a 2019 G80, why are you in a 2021 G80 thread talking about price????
 
LOL Whatever makes you feel better but at least you acknowledge you had no idea what you were talking about.
So let me get this straight, your argument is that the G70 has the exact same sales and dealership experience as the Lexus IS...do I have this correct?
 
We are discussing about rear seat dimensions, not the front seats. More specifically, look at definition #L51 (sec. 6.2.29)

Actually we were discussing how manufactures can use different ways to measure the dimensions and I was just pointing out that even in the standards (which are not mandatory and are many times not followed by German and Japanese manufacturers) there are multiple ways to measure the dimensions.
 
So let me get this straight, your argument is that the G70 has the exact same sales and dealership experience as the Lexus IS...do I have this correct?

You can’t be serious, you have to be able to follow a discussion better than you are showing. As mentioned quite a few times in this thread, the number of dealers does not depend on the experience or size of the dealer. Obviously we would hope all dealers improve what they are doing jut that is not a function of four walls with only one brand of vehicle inside. The experience is mostly dependent on the philosophy of the ownership and the staff.
 
So let me get this straight, your argument is that the G70 has the exact same sales and dealership experience as the Lexus IS...do I have this correct?

Well, I don't know about him, but although it's been about 10 years since I last owned a Lexus (SC430), I can categorically state that my dealership experience was a helluva lot better with Lexus than it has been with Genesis. As I and others have written previously on these boards, the Genesis experience sucks in South Florida. It's one of the major reasons why I'm currently in negotiations to unload my 2019 G80 3.3T Sport and go back to Jaguar. It's a shame too, because the 2021 G80 (what this thread is supposed to be about!) looks great.
 
So go buy a 2019 G80, why are you in a 2021 G80 thread talking about price????

You did not read my previous posts carefully - in the current market situation, if I was in the position of purchasing a mid-size luxury sedan, I will probably go for the Audi A6, which I can get for ~$35k brand new. Is it possible that the most base 2021 G80 can be had for that price?
 
Actually we were discussing how manufactures can use different ways to measure the dimensions and I was just pointing out that even in the standards (which are not mandatory and are many times not followed by German and Japanese manufacturers) there are multiple ways to measure the dimensions.

There are just very limited items that in the SAE standard which have alternate definitions. Many parameters, for example hip room, shoulder room etc., have only one definition. For leg room, only the driver seat has 2nd definition, others all have one single definition. So most of the publicly available measurements can be compared horizontally across different makes and models.

When German/Japanese brands selling vehicles in countries other than the US, they can report measurements on their own or following the local regulation. For vehicles sold in US, the measurements published for the US market should be using the SAE standard. So most of the foreign brands simply use the SAE standard internationally to avoid the hassle, except some terms such as weight and power.
 
When German/Japanese brands selling vehicles in countries other than the US, they can report measurements on their own or following the local regulation. For vehicles sold in US, the measurements published for the US market should be using the SAE standard. So most of the foreign brands simply use the SAE standard internationally to avoid the hassle, except some terms such as weight and power.


You will have to provide a citation on that since no article I have found says that. As @YEH mentioned, different manufactures can use different methods of measuring when calculating vehicle dimensions.

Edit: I'm not sure if this is of any value but I found something from 2008 where an SAE standard for a measuring device appears to be made into code/regulations. Whether anything similar exists for how manufactures measure for the marketing materials who knows. What was interesting while reading it I notice that it also provides two methods for using the device and it says that it may provide two different results but neither one is preferred.

https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/005/sae.j826.1995.pdf
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You will have to provide a citation on that since no article I have found says that. As @YEH mentioned, different manufactures can use different methods of measuring when calculating vehicle dimensions.

Edit: I'm not sure if this is of any value but I found something from 2008 where an SAE standard for a measuring device appears to be made into code/regulations. Whether anything similar exists for how manufactures measure for the marketing materials who knows. What was interesting while reading it I notice that it also provides two methods for using the device and it says that it may provide two different results but neither one is preferred.

https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/005/sae.j826.1995.pdf

In fact I am amazed we need to spend so many posts and time to debate a well-known fact. Not intend to give a legal 101 class here. Requirements for SAE standard measurement are all over NHTSA regulations, for example:

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There are just very limited items that in the SAE standard which have alternate definitions. Many parameters, for example hip room, shoulder room etc., have only one definition. For leg room, only the driver seat has 2nd definition, others all have one single definition. So most of the publicly available measurements can be compared horizontally across different makes and models.

When German/Japanese brands selling vehicles in countries other than the US, they can report measurements on their own or following the local regulation. For vehicles sold in US, the measurements published for the US market should be using the SAE standard. So most of the foreign brands simply use the SAE standard internationally to avoid the hassle, except some terms such as weight and power.

So all these reviewers (from different countries, much less different continents) are just imagining things when they state that the G70's space is tighter than the competition? lol

There is no standard that all automakers use in these measurements (BMW, for instance, is notorious for under-reporting its HP figure).

And even if there were, things don't always reflect in the real world - such as EPA mileage figures, esp. for turbo engines and BEV range.

There was a test done on a # of EVs in the UK to see what their actual range was compared to their claimed range.


The EV that did the poorest was the MB (75% of claimed range).

The EV that did the best was the Kia (90% of claimed range).

Why would it vary so much if the automakers are using some standard to measure range?



Rear legroom

A4 - 35.7 "
3 Series - 35.2 "
G70 - 34.8 "
C Class - 35.2 "

Rear headroom

A4 - 37.4 "
3 Series - 37.6 "
G70 - 36.9 "
C Class - 37.1 "

- Based on these measurements, the G70 has both the least amount of legroom and headroom at the rear.

Having the lowest amount of headroom causes taller passengers to slouch, pushing their legs forward and hence, making the tighter legroom situation even worse (and that's not even taking into the account the poor footwell space).


In their comparison (w/ the 3er), Cars.com states that there's more room in the BMW (19:07 mark).


At the 20:25 mark, they go into how the claimed 17.0 cu.ft. of trunk space in the BMW is bunk, going into how measurements from automaker to be unreliable and inconsistent (which is why they do their own measurements).
 
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In fact I am amazed we need to spend so many posts and time to debate a well-known fact. Not intend to give a legal 101 class here. Requirements for SAE standard measurement are all over NHTSA regulations, for example:

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Since neither of us can provide a definitive answer I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then since from everything I have ever seen or heard, there is no standard that is used by all manufactures for determine the values they publish in their marketing materials.
 
Since neither of us can provide a definitive answer I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then since from everything I have ever seen or heard, there is no standard that is used by all manufactures for determine the values they publish in their marketing materials.

Have you read the NHTSA document in my previous post? It clearly states that SAE J1100 standard is used. Every auto maker who wants to sell cars in the US market need to comply with it.
 
Have you read the NHTSA document in my previous post? It clearly states that SAE J1100 standard is used. Every auto maker who wants to sell cars in the US market need to comply with it.

Yes I read it and no where in there does it say what you are saying it says.
 
Have you read the NHTSA document in my previous post? It clearly states that SAE J1100 standard is used. Every auto maker who wants to sell cars in the US market need to comply with it.

I did some more digging and I think maybe you are reading too much into the NHTSA implementation of the SAE standards. First of all, it really wouldn't make sense for them to be involved with or have jurisdiction over the marketing materials used by various manufactures. From what I can tell, the standards that are being used are done so for the safety testing that is done on each vehicle. Your letter references 49 CFR Part 571.3 which are the definitions used in the Motor Vehicle Safety Act.

That said, I believe it makes sense that all manufactures should use the same standard when determining all vehicle dimensions and measurements. Perhaps nowadays they do but in the past that was not the case.
 
Holy.., they are still at it. Omg! This was, originally, a useful thread about the new G80 pricing. It's now pure cancer.

Why not start your own thread about G70s legroom, regulations, and such, so the rest of us know which thread to avoid.
 
Holy.., they are still at it. Omg! This was, originally, a useful thread about the new G80 pricing. It's now pure cancer.

Why not start your own thread about G70s legroom, regulations, and such, so the rest of us know which thread to avoid.

Amen!
I don't even read this thread anymore, if I want to know about korean cars I'll go to YouTube, I'm subscribed to AsianPetrolHead and always keep in the know with him. I really want a dedicated 2.5T engine review though.
 
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Amen!
I don't even read this thread anymore, if I want to know about korean cars I'll go to YouTube, I'm subscribed to AsianPetrolHead and always keep in the know with him. I really want a dedicated 2.5T engine review though.

Why does the 2.5 interest you? I'm actually curious. To save 2.5K? Is that savings worth the cognitive dissonance of ALWAYS knowing that you bought "the cheaper one". Or is it an ECO thing? (Which I can totally understand). Im just curious on your thoughts.

I just bought the 2020 G90 5.0 V8. After years and years of driving my lovely 2013 Genesis sedan. I dont spluge often..., but this time? I went for what I wanted! And I frickn love it! What a sound it makes!!
 
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