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Genesis G70 Reviews

May 2018 production date still?
I saw that too. This is a vert long time for a car seating on a lot.


Yup. Was thinking the exact same thing. Also, another annoying thing is that the dealer put on paint protection film, adding another $1,500 to the MSRP. Dumb. May end up being a tough test of my negotiating skills when it comes time to buy.
 
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Let us know how the price negotiation goes, especially with those dealer options. It seems like economy dealerships like Hyundais cling onto those options much more strongly than luxury ones, so we will have to live with that until separate dealerships are a thing.
 
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Let us know how the price negotiation goes, especially with those dealer options. It seems like economy dealerships like Hyundais cling onto those options much more strongly than luxury ones, so we will have to live with that until separate dealerships are a thing.

Will do.

One encouraging thing was that right off the bat he offered me a discount off MSRP, said "we think word of mouth is the best advertising, and having someone who knows a lot about the car, also being an early adopter, would help us out a lot too." Didn't give me an exact number, but it was a nice thought. I told him I am only considering the 3.3, so he said he'd let me know when they get some in. Makes me want to buy from this dealership a little more. Pretty cool.
 
2019 Genesis G70 2.0T Manual Makes a Play for Enthusiasts

Car and Driver don't seem happy with the manual G70. And I don't understand the obsession with the Audi A4's interior. It's bland, there is more soft touch plastic instead of leatherette wrapping the G70 has, and the extended fan vent look is ridiculous. The C Class interior is definitely class-leading, but you're paying class-leading prices for it too.
 
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2019 Genesis G70 2.0T Manual Makes a Play for Enthusiasts

Car and Driver don't seem happy with the manual G70. And I don't understand the obsession with the Audi A4's interior. It's bland, there is more soft touch plastic instead of leatherette wrapping the G70 has, and the extended fan vent look is ridiculous. The C Class interior is definitely class-leading, but you're paying class-leading prices for it too.


Like for Honda, C/D seems to have a hard-on for Audi.

For a supposed more driver-focused publication (compared to MT), never quite understood why they always seem to give high marks to Audis in the driving enjoyment/handling dept.

Not that there aren't some Audis that are good in that area, but never cared for the feel w/ too much weight over the front axle.



Don't know why the reviewers keeps referring the Germans (when it comes to the interior).

The G70 has a nicer interior than the F30 3er (yeah, the G20 is on its way and I'm sure BMW has upped its game, but it's not here yet).

As for Audi, there are some areas where the A4 is better than the G70 and others were the G70 is better.

Now, one area where Genesis needs to update quickly (waiting for the MCE would be a mistake) is the tablet/screen.

Too small (new Hyundai models have wider screens) and needs both a higher screen resolution and a differentiated operation system from Hyundai (supposed Genesis will do that when there are enough models to support it).
 
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2019 Genesis G70 2.0T Manual Makes a Play for Enthusiasts

Car and Driver don't seem happy with the manual G70. And I don't understand the obsession with the Audi A4's interior. It's bland, there is more soft touch plastic instead of leatherette wrapping the G70 has, and the extended fan vent look is ridiculous. The C Class interior is definitely class-leading, but you're paying class-leading prices for it too.

My biggest problem with the 2.0T is how slow it is. A Honda Accord shouldn't be able to beat it.
 


Hmmm... Was hoping for more of a driving/performance focused comparison. I thought the Giulia Ti Sport had a beautiful interior when I drove it, and the suspension, steering feedback and responsiveness were untouchable. It felt strong too, but for me it was lacking - also that short redline was frustrating (though the long stroke for a 2.0 made it virtually turbo lag free). He didn't compare the transmissions either - the shifts are lightning quick (though the G70 is pretty dang close!), and those paddle shifters are perfect.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the G70. But if Alfa made the Ti Sport put out 350hp, I'd have to go for the Giulia instead. But - I would instantly regret it when I'm stranded on the side of the road. Haha.
 
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Hmmm... Was hoping for more of a driving/performance focused comparison. I thought the Giulia Ti Sport had a beautiful interior when I drove it, and the suspension, steering feedback and responsiveness were untouchable. It felt strong too, but for me it was lacking - also that short redline was frustrating (though the long stroke for a 2.0 made it virtually turbo lag free). He didn't compare the transmissions either - the shifts are lightning quick (though the G70 is pretty dang close!), and those paddle shifters are perfect.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the G70. But if Alfa made the Ti Sport put out 350hp, I'd have to go for the Giulia instead. But, since that's not the case, I'm happily committing to the G70, as it is amazing in its own way.
Regardless of the AR setup...quality SUCKS. I wouldn’t take one if it was free. Neighbor has one. Been in the shop more than his driveway.
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Regardless of the AR setup...quality SUCKS. I wouldn’t take one if it was free. Neighbor has one. Been in the shop more than his driveway.

Yeah, just edited my post. I would regret everything as soon as it breaks down! Which would be sooner rather than later later. Haha.
 
I test drove the Jullia Ti sport and although it had very direct steering and handling, I couldn't shake the feeling like it was a higher end version of a Mitsubishi Evo.. Great car in many respects but build quality was a real unknown... The sales person mentioned a bit about service costs and I left thinking "why would anyone buy this car"? It all just seemed unreasonable. The interior was hit and miss for me as well.
 
Hmmm... Was hoping for more of a driving/performance focused comparison. I thought the Giulia Ti Sport had a beautiful interior when I drove it, and the suspension, steering feedback and responsiveness were untouchable. It felt strong too, but for me it was lacking - also that short redline was frustrating (though the long stroke for a 2.0 made it virtually turbo lag free). He didn't compare the transmissions either - the shifts are lightning quick (though the G70 is pretty dang close!), and those paddle shifters are perfect.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the G70. But if Alfa made the Ti Sport put out 350hp, I'd have to go for the Giulia instead. But - I would instantly regret it when I'm stranded on the side of the road. Haha.

I test drove the Giulia too, and was really impressed. It's gorgeous, inside and out, and yes the steering/handling was fantastic. I thought the car felt 'quick' (versus powerful on the G70 3.3) but that may be the difference in weight. But there were so many small things that bugged me, and then a little research on the reliability tipped the balance. For the same money as the Giulia Ti Sport, I was able to get into the 3.3T G70 Sport with very little in terms of compromise.
 
My biggest problem with the 2.0T is how slow it is. A Honda Accord shouldn't be able to beat it.

i posted the below in another 6MT-related thread - but i agree that the acceleration data do not seem logical:

as a 6MT owner, i do not entirely disagree with many of C&D's takes. i am a C&D fan and give them a reasonable amount of latitude, but they do make a few good points about the 6MT model execution. one big exception for CAD buyers is that the CAD and US trims vary quite a bit, so some of the C&D opinions do not apply. i focused mainly on the mechanical/performance aspects of the review.

C&D is correct that the default drive mode should be Sport. i have noted previously that Comfort mode introduces an annoying lag off-idle. it is ridiculous and should be mapped out of the ECU. i switch to Sport every time i start up and have no use for Comfort or Eco. Genesis has clearly marketed the 6MT trim to 'performance enthusiasts' moreso than any other G70 trim so why bother with a laggy mode as default?

as for the acceleration data, i also agree with C&D. i'm also waiting for a back-to-back comparo to test G70 alongside competitors under the same conditions. i cannot understand why the G70 2.0T shows so poorly in test data. seeing the C&D instrumented test numbers does not help. for the power/weight/gearing/aero, none of it makes any sense. how is it slower than the Stinger (which is a better comparion), nevermind the Accord. it should walk away from the Accord at the start due to the Accord being FWD. in day to day driving the 2.0T feels plenty quick, while not being a sledgehammer, but the tests say otherwise. weird.

i agree the clutch is without complaint. it is one of the better i've tried, and i love the hill-hold assist.

i do not agree with C&D about the gearbox feel. i guess if you are in their enviable position of driving the world's best gearboxes (porsche/bmw/honda) you can be picky. but for 99% of people the G70 stick is perfectly acceptable. i came from a G37 and people said its gearbox was 'too mechanical'. now, people say the G70 is 'too rubbery'. shift action is a subjective aspect and it can be tuned in the aftermarket if need be. and besides, as they note, what are our choices now that Audi and BMW have discontinued their 6MT offerings? at least it's available.

is the G70 6MT perfect? no. would it be great if they offered 6MT with the 3.3T? of course. will they? no. C&D and myself would love that option, but Genesis is not about to invest in a new gearbox R&D program from what i can tell. the 6MT comes from Genesis coupe and other Hyundai family offerings so they had a box to start with. the 3.3T would require a new box for all the torque.
 
I think Genesis just screwed up with the 2.0T engine tuning overall. If they had tuned it competitively with other German 2.0T engines, then I think the other issues with the manual would've been forgivable for journalists. I think the reasons for its poor performance are 1) the starting lag from idle (I noticed this even in a 5 minute test drive), 2) the weak 1st gear that Alex on Autos noticed, and maybe 3) inconsistent performance based on weather since we've seen 0-60 times ranging from mid 6 to mid 7 seconds. It may still feel fast regardless because after the starting lag and 1st gear, the engine pulls well. While comfort mode alleviates the lag, I don't want to have to switch modes every single time I start the car... but then again, I'd be turning on Brake Hold anyway so it may be a habit to have to learn.

Also, new video from AutoGuide for their Car of the Year decision; spoilers, the Genesis G70 won. The competition seems weird to compare vs the G70, but I'll watch the video now and see if there are more details on that.


Also, I could've sworn the AutoGuide comparison of the G70 vs 340i vs Stinger was posted on here, but I can't find it so I'll post that video again too just in case.

 
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I think Genesis just screwed up with the 2.0T engine tuning overall. If they had tuned it competitively with other German 2.0T engines, then I think the other issues with the manual would've been forgivable for journalists. I think the reasons for its poor performance are 1) the starting lag from idle (I noticed this even in a 5 minute test drive), 2) the weak 1st gear that Alex on Autos noticed, and maybe 3) inconsistent performance based on weather since we've seen 0-60 times ranging from mid 6 to mid 7 seconds. It may still feel fast regardless because after the starting lag and 1st gear, the engine pulls well. While comfort mode alleviates the lag, I don't want to have to switch modes every single time I start the car... but then again, I'd be turning on Brake Hold anyway so it may be a habit to have to learn.

^ i agree with the tuning. fingers crossed a reflash comes online sometime soon.

i wonder if Genesis has limited torque in gear 1, like some other makes do to preserve powertrain components? i find that 2nd and particularly 3rd gear are very strong, but agree that at times 1st gear feels 'weak'. not sure how else to explain the poor test results...because 1+1 are not equaling 2.

it's actually Sport mode that alleviates the 1st gear lag. Comfort mode pronounces the lag.
 
it's actually Sport mode that alleviates the 1st gear lag. Comfort mode pronounces the lag.
My bad, I meant "while sport mode alleviates the lag, I don't want to have to switch modes every single time I start the car". I brain farted the right drive mode, but otherwise the sentence makes sense.
 
i wonder if Genesis has limited torque in gear 1, like some other makes do to preserve powertrain components? i find that 2nd and particularly 3rd gear are very strong, but agree that at times 1st gear feels 'weak'. not sure how else to explain the poor test results...because 1+1 are not equaling 2.

Hyundai has been known to do that as its 6 spd AT (FWD) and 8 spd AT (RWD) weren't developed w/ performance in mind; which may explain the 10 spd AT taking longer than expected (Biermann's team overhauling it while in development to meet certain performance parameters).

Also, it's not like Hyundai is incapable of developing a good MT, as the one in the i30N and Veloster-N has gotten pretty good reviews.

The question is whether it is financially worth it for Hyundai to develop a new MT for its RWD performance-oriented vehicles.
 
The question is whether it is financially worth it for Hyundai to develop a new MT for its RWD performance-oriented vehicles.

Short answer? Absolutely not, sad as that makes me. There simply isn't a market, and as a new brand spending billions to develop a broad product portfolio, Genesis chasing a niche like manual gearbox sport sedans, at least to a greater degree than what's been done to date, doesn't make financial sense.

The G70 has a manual box in the 2.0T because there was a fairly easily-adaptable unit in the toolbox already. Anything net-new would destroy this fragile equation.
 
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