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Genesis G70 Reviews

Topping a recent J.D. Power survey shows Genesis, Kia and Hyundai are more than worthy against the established competition

Listen to the experts and the Koreans don’t have a hope in H-E-double-hockey-sticks in launching a luxury automotive brand in North America. Oh, they’ll concede, they make passable automobiles but they have no pedigree, they have no style and most importantly, they have no badge. Trendoids that we North Americans have become, a Genesis — Hyundai’s upstart upscale marque that’s just now getting a foothold here in Canada — can never have the loyalty, the desire, the sheer satisfaction that owning a premium brand like BMW, Mercedes-Benz or Audi engenders.

Guess again, brand slaves! J.D.Power’s latest New-Vehicle Initial Quality Survey has just been released and guess who’s at the head of the list? Yup, you guessed it: Genesis.

To add insult to injury, Korean automakers now occupy all three top spots with Kia (72 problems per 100 cars, just four behind Genesis’ 68PP100) and Hyundai third with 74 PP100. Nor is this an anomaly: This is the fourth time Kia has emerged as the “highest-ranking mass-market brand” and, in fact, was the top overall brand in both 2016 an 2017. For those, again, brand slaves not paying attention, the Koreans have been kicking butt and taking names for some time now.


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Nor was this a nail-biting, squeak-one-out-in-overtime finish. Lexus, perennial top two finisher, ended up way back in eighth with no less than 16 more problems per 100 vehicles than the upstart Korean luxury brand. Porsche, another perennial front-runner, managed to salvage some modicum of dignity, finishing fourth but still some 11 points behind Genesis. Audi finished some 37 problems back, Volvo 54 and Land Rover 92.

Not that it’s all bad news for traditional brands. Porsche’s 911 posted the best score — only 48 problem per 100 cars — of any individual model while Lincoln’s Continental topped the mid-sized premium car segment. But even here Genesis shone, the G80 finishing right behind the Lincoln and ahead of Lexus’ GS. In the large luxury premium car set, things were even more astonishing, Genesis’ G90 finishing ahead of BMW’s 7 Series and Mercedes-Benz S-Class. Yes, in case you’re still not getting the point; Genesis owners were more satisfied with their G90 than Mercedes loyalists were with their S-Class. Am I really belabouring the point in reminding you that the S-Class has ruled the luxury sedan roost since God made little green apples?

There’s actually a lot of good news for the entire industry in this year’s study. Twenty one of the 31 brands in the study improved over last year and the industry average of 93 PP100 is an improvement of four over 2017. There were notable improvements throughout the industry in paint imperfection, wind noise and even infotainment systems, J.D. Power attributing this to improvements in voice-recognition systems. Furthermore, for those beating up on domestic manufacturers, all three improved more than the industry average, with Chrysler leading the pack with a 7 PP100 advancement and Ford winning more specific model categories — Ford Expedition, Ford Mustang, Ford Super Duty, Lincoln Continental, and Lincoln MKC — than any other manufacturer. Mazda, meanwhile, was the most improved brand, owners reporting an improvement of a whopping 25 PP100 over 2017.

Indeed, the only bad news from the study is that Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) — think frontal collision warning systems and lane departure warnings — are giving owners fits: J.D. Power says the absolute levels is still low (3.5 PP100) but the reports of issues have been increasing by about 20 per cent per year for the last three years.

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Nonetheless, the day must belong to the Koreans and Genesis in particular. One thing to remember is that the IQS study is not a reliability study but based solely on the customers’ perception of problems in their new car. In other words, are they satisfied with the quality of the seats, the feel of the transmission and the sound of the audio system. In other words, it’s wide open to biases based on loyalty to brand. The 911 is no doubt a good car, but does anyone out there really believe that Porsche aficiandoes were anywhere near as critical of their car’s faults as a newcomer to Genesis was with their G80 or 90? This potential partisanship makes the G90’s triumph over Mercedes’ S-Class and the BMW 7 Series all the more improbable. Mercedes owners are an especially loyal breed; for them to rank their cars behind what G90 owners thought of their ride is perhaps the most remarkable statistic in this study.

What makes this perhaps even more astounding is that the IQS does not take into account Genesis’ “At Home” program. For one thing, Genesis Canada’s personalized service is not available in America where the survey is conducted and, for another, because IQS is only about the car and not about the overall ownership experience. Part of what Patrick Danielson, Genesis Canada’s manager of product strategy and public relations, calls his company’s “omni-channel” sales experience is that potential Genesis customers can “interact with us online, at-home, or in one of our growing network of boutique showrooms across Canada.” Indeed, the entirety of the purchase process — “from vehicle configuration through to trade-in appraisal, credit application and more” — can be done on our website. Furthermore, all Genesis pricing is “all-inclusive” with no hidden fees, no freight and PDI costs and five years of at-home service — they’ll come and pick up your car when it needs maintenance — included in one fixed price.

So brand slaves, do you really want to go on record saying Genesis will never catch on?

On a final note, my recent test of Genesis G70 found an entry-level luxury sedan not just equal, but superior to, the best from BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Audi. And, for naysayers who still claim that won’t bring customers to Genesis, know that the G70 evaluation was one of Driving.ca’s best read, if not THE best read, road test of the last year. The Koreans aren’t just coming; they’ve arrived!

Motor Mouth: Latest J.D. Power survey results prove Genesis is onto something
 
Another review that discussed the JD Powers results (see here) noted this:

Despite these wins, the brand has stumbled in its rollout, and sales haven't exactly ignited. First, it said it would launch a limited, exclusive network of showrooms in a few dozen select markets and then reversing itself this spring by saying all existing Hyundai dealers would have the opportunity to sell the luxury brand. Meanwhile its U.S. sales in May fell 39 percent from May 2017 to 1,076 units. Year-to-date, Genesis had sold 8,288 cars, which is 18 fewer cars than it had moved from the same period in 2017.

Also, they noted that the JD Powers Initial Quality reviews aren't reliability reviews. Also, manufacturers can opt in or opt out of these reviews. Subaru, one of the best cars on the road for reliability, came in at the bottom four.

Certainly, Genesis doing really well in these ratings is in no way a bad thing. But by itself, it doesn't really mean all that much. I think these will be good cars. I would still think that if they hadn't scored as well as they did.
 
Another review that discussed the JD Powers results (see here) noted this:

Despite these wins, the brand has stumbled in its rollout, and sales haven't exactly ignited. First, it said it would launch a limited, exclusive network of showrooms in a few dozen select markets and then reversing itself this spring by saying all existing Hyundai dealers would have the opportunity to sell the luxury brand. Meanwhile its U.S. sales in May fell 39 percent from May 2017 to 1,076 units. Year-to-date, Genesis had sold 8,288 cars, which is 18 fewer cars than it had moved from the same period in 2017.

Also, they noted that the JD Powers Initial Quality reviews aren't reliability reviews. Also, manufacturers can opt in or opt out of these reviews. Subaru, one of the best cars on the road for reliability, came in at the bottom four.

Certainly, Genesis doing really well in these ratings is in no way a bad thing. But by itself, it doesn't really mean all that much. I think these will be good cars. I would still think that if they hadn't scored as well as they did.

Consumer Reports are a much better indicator. Luckily Genesis is doing well there as well.

I think the rollout in Canada has gone quite well. I have no idea what they're doing in the U.S.; it's a shame they're handcuffed by the U.S. asinine dealership laws.
 
"I do wonder if the 2.5T will offer a manual transmission. Car and driver mentioned a rumor that the manual transmission will only be offered for one year. "

^ yeah i saw a brief mention of the 1-year offering as well, but nothing since the C&D article. i'd have to think Genesis gives it a bit more time considering G70 is a new model from a new(ish) brand so it will take a couple years to catch on. the money they spent on the 6MT/trim R&D won't get returned in year one...is my assumption anyhow.
 
Consumer Reports are a much better indicator. Luckily Genesis is doing well there as well.

I think the rollout in Canada has gone quite well. I have no idea what they're doing in the U.S.; it's a shame they're handcuffed by the U.S. asinine dealership laws.


I think similar issues are plaguing its introduction in Australia. Canada has definitely gotten it right. It's a far better model that I only wish we in the US could have.
 
What he said...


Some good vid shots and pics.
 
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I tried using the YouTube closed captioning auto-translate feature on some Korean videos.

You should try it too. You'll get absolutely no usable information, but it is hilarious.
 
I think similar issues are plaguing its introduction in Australia. Canada has definitely gotten it right. It's a far better model that I only wish we in the US could have.

You can. Just talk to your State Congress person. State governments, for better or worse, regulate what car corps can and cannot do with respect to sales and dealerships.
 
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"I do wonder if the 2.5T will offer a manual transmission. Car and driver mentioned a rumor that the manual transmission will only be offered for one year. "

^ yeah i saw a brief mention of the 1-year offering as well, but nothing since the C&D article. i'd have to think Genesis gives it a bit more time considering G70 is a new model from a new(ish) brand so it will take a couple years to catch on. the money they spent on the 6MT/trim R&D won't get returned in year one...is my assumption anyhow.

I wonder if the money invested on the 6MT trim was mainly justified for its sales in Europe and other areas where it sells more than here. As for here, I could see it as a one year offer to attract media attention to get good press. Low sales figures (after all, I can only buy one!) would justify them dropping it.

With all that said, I'd love to be wrong and to see it stay to make its way to the 2.5T if that ever comes. I don't have hopes for it ever being offered on the v6 which at first angered me but a post on jalopnik helped put it into perspective for me. The user noted that the majority of these sales will most likely be leases and it would be hard to resell a manual transmission since it represents a fraction of overall sales. It would have been great if they offered it as an order only option.
 
Hyundai or Genesis? Video starts with “2019 Hyundai Genesis G70 Prestige AWD...”
“ I think I’ll go drive my Toyota Lexus LS now...” :giggle:
 
Hyundai or Genesis? Video starts with “2019 Hyundai Genesis G70 Prestige AWD...”
“ I think I’ll go drive my Toyota Lexus LS now...”:giggle:
I didn't even notice that. Good catch! Doesn't change the vehicle though and not a bad walk around to see the regular chrome trim.

I don't think it will be the last time you see it referred to as a Hyundai. Some will because the G80 was once the Hyundai Genesis and possibly out of habit and others to possibly get a dig in that it is the same as any other Hyundai, which we all know they are not.
 
Wow...freaky seeing a G70 with USA plates !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

 
Poor camera work on that video.
 
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Poor camera work on that video.

Really? I have no idea who autos 0-60 is but being it’s not Genesis Corp I thought it was decent. You obviously have higher standards.
 
So, was this the US-equivalent of the Mont Tremblant event? If so, we can expect a lot more videos from other attendees. Or was this an all-Genesis USA event without any outsiders? (As Mcc points out, duesn't seem to be the latter.)
 
Really? I have no idea who autos 0-60 is but being it’s not Genesis Corp I thought it was decent. You obviously have higher standards.
I don't watch any of the 'shaky camera' movies. If I want to experience disorientation I could drink a case of beer or a bottle of whiskey.
 
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