Genesis GV70 Reviews

[mythdoc]

You're over-analyzing the comparison. We aren't comparing the companies in terms of specific products. It is evident that Genesis is RWD based lineup, it is evident that there are no hybrids or EVs yet, it is evident that Genesis is a much lower volume brand. What we were stating was that Genesis brand as a whole is modeling Lexus in terms of their business model, ideals, build quality, etc. They are not comparing themselves to Lexus model to model, spec for spec. They are building a luxury brand based on the same game plan that Toyota did with Lexus or Honda did with Acura while at the same time taking the best aspects of the EU brands and incorporating that in.

…but without Lexus’ coast to coast network of exclusive dealerships created to cater to luxury car buyers.

 

[mythdoc]

That's odd because south FL is one of the largest markets for Genesis, and the Atlanta metro area is also one of the bigger markets for Genesis.

Not that Cargurus has all the listings, but last week only showed a little more than 1k GV70s listed and around 1.3k GV80s listed nationwide, so it's not like there's tons of supply.

Compared to the 382 GLC’s, 334 X3’s, and 87 Q5’s I just found nationwide on cargurus that seems like a huge amount.

Are Atlanta and South Florida representative of the southeast market or anomalies located within the southeast market?

 

[Etex]

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[bill davis]

I came from Lexus, after 3 cars from Lexus, my last one being the RCF, and as the years go by, Lexus IS behind on A LOT of things. They’re ”new models” are barely new after 6 years. They tweak a few things and it’s the same car. and no I’m not talking about when they get refreshed. Example the new IS line up... interior? Same crap From 2014.

The new NX? Come on, Lexus is just not cutting it anymore. Can’t even compare the NX to the GV70 tbh. Doesn’t even come close to the RX IMO. And I’ve driven all their line up.

Genesis is killing it, period. And I’m not being biased. Otherwise I wouldn’t have jumped ship.

lexus is sleeping on the job,,,,on my forth one but going to move on ,,,,they look the same way to long,,,,the new IS dosn't even have power folding mirrors or power closing trunk ,,,,,thats crazy 55000 car

 

[bill davis]

…but without Lexus’ coast to coast network of exclusive dealerships created to cater to luxury car buyers.

my 2020 lexus i bought new ,,,,dealer never called me once ,,,experance was like i was buying a ford ,,,,they are slacking there also

 

[mythdoc]

Yeah I wouldn’t dream of a Lexus but I got this close to buying a GV70 and think it’s a terrific car. Something to build the brand on. Hyundai really have to fix their dealer network though. Knoxville is not that small a city to have such unimpressive representation for the Genesis brand. The one I visited the only Genesis signage was two fabric banners, one on the window pointing out and the other on the wall pointing in. In contrast, Lexus had a stand-alone dealership here the first year they existed. Their cars may be bad but those who do buy them don’t worry about whether the mechanics are adequate or whether they will be sitting in a scummy waiting room because they could not get a loaner car.

 

[Backslack]

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[Backslack]

I wanted to give a brief honest review of my 2-week old GV70 build quality. I have the 3.5T Sport Prestige GV70 and I'm loving it. I've owned many brands in the past, most relatable for comparison, Audi, Lexus, and MB. I can say first hand that the build quality and attention to detail is at the level and surpasses both brands.

I work on my own cars and have experience taking apart interiors for improved sound deadening and sound system isolation. I've done so to every car I've owned. Just finished added sound deadening to my GV70 and I have to say that the build quality in the GV70 is the best I've seen. The deadening within the door panels, the way the wiring and switches were neatly concealed and wrapped in felt, and the overall layout of the interior panels was superb. I barely added any extra material of my own, which says a lot! I know most people won't understand but it means a lot to me when a brand/vehicle takes the time to properly engineer and take everything into account. Especially the things you can't see like behind interior panels. It's easy to make the surface materials excellent, but it's another to actually build a solid vehicle from the ground up.

This is something I've always noticed with german brands. The vehicle will look beautiful on the surface but if you ever have the chance or reason to look behind the surface, for instance removing interior panels, you'll see otherwise. Cheap plastic, wires not neatly arranged or wrapped, barely any sound deadening, zero vibration absorbing materials which causes rattles not only from the engine but also the sound system. One of the biggest reasons people hear rattles are from the robust/premium sound systems car brands are shoving into vehicles without the proper deadening or isolation. Yes, these systems are great and have huge potential but fall flat when they do nothing but cause rattles and are over powered for the area they reside in. Again, I am a stickler for things like this as you can tell, so I don't expect people to fully understand.

In a nutshell, this is the first premium branded vehicle I've owned where I was not let down by the "actual" build quality. I am very experienced with seeing vehicles for what they are and I am blown away by the GV70. If anyone is considering this vehicle against a Audi Q5, BMW X3, MB GLC, Lexus RX, etc., do yourself a solid and test drive one. If you don't like it, then you don't like it. All I can say is that I highly recommend the GV70 over the competition and am extremely happy with my decision.

P.s. Some may call me crazy for this rant, keep those comments to yourself. I love cars and get excited about the little things that most take for granted. I figured some of you may love to hear this so I shared! Also not sure if this is the proper location for this post so let me know.

This is a great counter to the one German fanboy on here who kept waxing about how the GV70 was an inferior knockoff of the German brands and "wasn't Autobahn bred" to levels of NVH like they were.

 

[Llama]

Doug Demuro's cars and bids ad on his Jeep grand Cherokee l video had the red gv70, so it does look like the US YouTubers are starting to get it.

 

[Platinum Jeweler]

Yeah I wouldn’t dream of a Lexus but I got this close to buying a GV70 and think it’s a terrific car. Something to build the brand on. Hyundai really have to fix their dealer network though. Knoxville is not that small a city to have such unimpressive representation for the Genesis brand. The one I visited the only Genesis signage was two fabric banners, one on the window pointing out and the other on the wall pointing in. In contrast, Lexus had a stand-alone dealership here the first year they existed. Their cars may be bad but those who do buy them don’t worry about whether the mechanics are adequate or whether they will be sitting in a scummy waiting room because they could not get a loaner car.

I just spoke to my dealer about their lack of a Designated Genesis Building. He said until they can be assured they can stop getting delays from Genesis on inventory they won't invest in a huge cost for a premium brand building. Building a brand takes time but they sure could use the proper customer experience.

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[Davep]

Yeah I wouldn’t dream of a Lexus but I got this close to buying a GV70 and think it’s a terrific car. Something to build the brand on. Hyundai really have to fix their dealer network though. Knoxville is not that small a city to have such unimpressive representation for the Genesis brand. The one I visited the only Genesis signage was two fabric banners, one on the window pointing out and the other on the wall pointing in. In contrast, Lexus had a stand-alone dealership here the first year they existed. Their cars may be bad but those who do buy them don’t worry about whether the mechanics are adequate or whether they will be sitting in a scummy waiting room because they could not get a loaner car.

I’ve had excellent service at a Hyundai/ Genesis dealership…

 

[TBickell]

Where are the other reviews now that Genesis has pulled their head out?? Let's go .. Cars been out for 3 months..

 

[GV70-PA]

I hope I am not derailing this thread. Our local Hyundai dealership is pretty good. Both the service and sales are very good. Note the order of that last comment. I know other dealerships in the area are not as highly regarded. My wife did look at the Acura RDX and the Lexus NX. She does not want a big SUV, but a smaller one that is a bit higher off the ground. We also walked around other dealerships on Sundays like Porsche and BMW. As her personal mechanic I told her no German cars...period. The reason is two-fold. First, I would not want one beyond the warranty period and second, I am not confident I could even be able change the oil given the Rube-Goldberg complexity built in for no good reason. Example: VAG uses a vacuum pump instead of a manifold vacuum for the brake booster. Lose the pump and you lose the brake boost. Who could possibly be that stupid? People I know brag about how much they spend on their BMW's because of their "sophisticated engineering." My butt. I have two technical degrees (engineering and computer science) and SIMPLE is the best engineering. But I digress. We have had a very good experience with our Hyundai-branded cars. Both in terms of reliability and the service available at our local dealership when needed. We are very much fans of our Korean cars. When my wife saw and test drove the GV70 she loved it and still does. I believe this is a car that I can service and when something more complicated needs to be done I trust the local dealer to properly handle it. As I get older I tend to give a bit more business to the dealer. My wife and I have a very high confidence in this vehicle based on prior experience. We also have an eye-catching really cool car and do not care to placate our neighbors with German cars. We bought this for ourselves.

 

[YEH]

The 2022 NX will go up against the GV70. Comparable new tech and safety, mark Levinson audio, etc. GV still better on power and cargo volume however.

Unless the next NX switches to being RWD-based or at least have a longitudinal layout (which it won't), don't exactly see the NX as a direct competitor.

Would take the Tucson Limited hybrid over the current NX hybrid (the Tucson hybrid actually beat the NX in a UK comparison).

Compared to the 382 GLC’s, 334 X3’s, and 87 Q5’s I just found nationwide on cargurus that seems like a huge amount.

Are Atlanta and South Florida representative of the southeast market or anomalies located within the southeast market?

The Germans have been hit harder by the chip shortage; but the odd thing is that prospective buyers are still reporting discounts off MSRP for the Germans, at least in certain regions.

Considering no national TV ad campaign for the GV70 and pretty high lease rates (overall monthly payment on the 2.5T GV70 is higher than for the MDX according to CarsDirect), sales of the GV70 are doing more than fine.



My guess would be that the South FL and ATL markets are a bit of an anomaly (lot's of transplants), but Dallas and Houston are also major markets for Genesis.

Not surprising that Genesis would do more poorly in the less urbane regions of the country.

I just spoke to my dealer about their lack of a Designated Genesis Building. He said until they can be assured they can stop getting delays from Genesis on inventory they won't invest in a huge cost for a premium brand building. Building a brand takes time but they sure could use the proper customer experience.

Kind of a chicken or the egg conundrum.

Genesis gives greater allocation to those dealerships which have built out separate facilities (see the inventory at Genesis of Santa Monica).

Plus, there's a deadline (which had been extended due to the pandemic) for dealerships to build out their facilities.

 

[Billbert]

Surprise!! I read this in today's Wall Street Journal. A GV70 was released to a major media publication!!

2022 Genesis GV70: A Luxury SUV That’s Dressed to Kill

The GV70’s swank and swagger make it a formidable adversary in the premium compact sport SUV market.

www.wsj.com

Not really a road test, rather an opinion piece from their aumotive editor Dan Nehl. Still he has had access to all of the competition and his closing statements just about sum it up in comparing this car to the German competition. No contest.

I'm not sure you can open this due to WJS's paywall but perhaps you can find it out in cyberspace. He was more excited about the interior than any of the performance/handling features. OK.

Post responses if you are able to open this. If not, try to find in cyberspace.

 

[YEH]

You're over-analyzing the comparison. We aren't comparing the companies in terms of specific products. It is evident that Genesis is RWD based lineup, it is evident that there are no hybrids or EVs yet, it is evident that Genesis is a much lower volume brand. What we were stating was that Genesis brand as a whole is modeling Lexus in terms of their business model, ideals, build quality, etc. They are not comparing themselves to Lexus model to model, spec for spec. They are building a luxury brand based on the same game plan that Toyota did with Lexus or Honda did with Acura while at the same time taking the best aspects of the EU brands and incorporating that in.

More like the other way around (yours being overly superficial/simplified).

Basically your argument is centered around build quality/reliability.

What automaker doesn't want that?

As warranty claims are one of the biggest expenses for an automaker and one which they are continually trying to decrease; some just happen up be better at it than others, but often at a certain type of cost (performance).

Lexus has long been panned for being behind the 8-ball when it comes to performance, whether it be the weaksauce V6 in the IS 250 or their 2.0T (which was late to the game); the 2.0T in the IS was already underpowered, but in the GS, it was embarrassing.

While not leading on the performance-end, Genesis at least tries to be competitive - hence, the upgrades to the 2.5T and 3.5TT, in addition to the 3.3TT and the upgrade from the 4.6L to the 5.0L Tau.

Genesis has to keep an eye on reliability as warranty costs due to the 10 yr/100k mi warranty can sink them, but that also applies to Hyundai and Kia.

Even more so than reliability, Lexus made its name with service (nowadays, would say that Mercedes has passed Lexus when it comes to service).

While Genesis (like all other lux brands want to offer good service), Genesis has been less successful at it because they had to abandon their initial plan with handpicked franchisees, instead of allowing any Hyundai dealership to acquire a Genesis franchise which came to pass due to the lawsuits.

So, Genesis veh5icles are selling today based on the product (a lower priced alternative to the RWD Germans), not on service like which Lexus built their initial reputation on.

There's a reason why the G80, GV80 and GV70 are repeatedly/overwhelmingly compared to the Germans and not the Japanese, and why we pretty much never see the likes of the ES, RX and NX pitted against the RWD Germans in comparison tests.

That's also the reason why Genesis already has an ATP significantly higher than Lexus, never mind Acura.

Lexus (as well as Acura and Infiniti) was always a US-centric brand.

That's not the case for Genesis, where it launched first in Korea.

The Lexus brand wasn't launched in Japan til 15-16 years after the US launch and the RX was still sold in Japan as the Toyota Harrier as late as 2010.

It's also the reason why Genesis still invests heavily in its larger RWD sedans as the G80 and G90 are big sellers in Korea, while the LS and GS (now departed) are/were not big sellers in Japan.

Unlike Lexus, Genesis launched as a model, not a brand, but when it did launch as a brand, did it pretty much at the same time and not a 15-16 yr delay btwn the US and its domestic market.

Aside from eschewing FWD, Genesis is also eschewing hybrid (putting aside an upcoming 48V system) to go straight to electrics, which Lexus/Toyota via Akio Toyoda had to be dragged to, kicking and screaming.

Genesis will have 3 electrics out before Lexus has even one.

So, aside from the general platitude about quality/fit & finish which every automaker at least aspires to, there isn't much the same btwn Genesis and Lexus.

One can see that in Germany, home of the dominant lux automakers - where Lexus has failed to make any headway.

In fact, Kia, with the Stinger (and w/o a hybrid variant which would have really helped with respect to CO taxes), easily outsold the RWD lineups of Lexus and Infiniti combined.

Even with a limited dealership/showroom presence, expect Genesis to outsell Lexus in Germany in short order - Genesis giving the Germans more of what they're looking for in an Asian alternative to the domestic makes.

 

[GV70-PA]

@YEH
Our daughter has a 2022 Tucson Hybrid. That is really an awesome car. Mr. Petrolhead here talked her into the hybrid based on her driving patterns and the small price difference. That model really stepped things up. On the Lexus NX it was size. My wife will not buy a huge SUV. She wants a smaller platform. The GV70 fits her well. We took a trip out of PA Dutch Country to do some shopping today. I put the GV70 in the ECO mode. We were driving moderate back roads with small towns. The computer told me I got 24.5 mpg. Not bad! My wife drove home and put it in the sport mode.

 

[Etex]

Interesting find, . Even though multiple reviews (from different parts of the country) appear to be testing out the exact same vehicle, "all is not necessarily what it seems." At least you cannot base it on identifying the license plate alone. Who'd a thunk, lol. Thought I was on to something.

Apparently, for California Distributor Plates (DST / yellow sticker) plates, one number fits all.

 

[YEH]

@YEH
Our daughter has a 2022 Tucson Hybrid. That is really an awesome car. Mr. Petrolhead here talked her into the hybrid based on her driving patterns and the small price difference. That model really stepped things up. On the Lexus NX it was size. My wife will not buy a huge SUV. She wants a smaller platform. The GV70 fits her well. We took a trip out of PA Dutch Country to do some shopping today. I put the GV70 in the ECO mode. We were driving moderate back roads with small towns. The computer told me I got 24.5 mpg. Not bad! My wife drove home and put it in the sport mode.

Yeah, relatives recently got the Tuscon hybrid and they love it (the hybrid is definitely the one to get).

Didn't care too much about the NX (interior/tech outdated) and while they were intrigued by the GV70, they needed a replacement before the GV70 hit the dealer lots.

Plus, they live in the city where roads get salted heavily, so something nicer wouldn't stay that way for too long.

Hyundai can't keep up with demand for the hybrid as it's one of the fast selling models (Hyundai needs to add that hybrid powertrain to the Santa Cruz sooner rather than later, and conversely, add the 2.5T/DCT combo to the Tucson - can detune it a bit if concerned about stepping on the SF's toes).

 

[TBickell]

The Germans have been hit harder by the chip shortage; but the odd thing is that prospective buyers are still reporting discounts off MSRP for the Germans, at least in certain regions.

Yes they have. I spend some time over on the BMW forum and am hearing they are cutting some options and even some parts of some options due to the china chip shortage. For example on top trim X3 the passenger seat had the lumbar feature deleted. It appears they are offering some slight discounts off MSRP on ordered 2022's but they are getting less for their money.