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Genesis GV70 Reviews

Boy, he really Nitpicked it!
The stiffness of the sport seats and the firmer ride of the 21” wheels is something that I noticed on my test drives. Luckily you can get the car without those two options depending on which spec you choose. The base car I drove had comfortable seats and rode considerably better.
 
I'm looking forward to see what Alex and Savageese have to say. They seem to be very thorough and not in anyone's pocket but ho knows these days where everyone is on the take.
 
Hmm, here's a bit of a contrary benchmark

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I had just recently noticed the extent of this on the Standard Model (subtle). (Standard Door trim is chrome, even though it looks dark in photo).

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Well he clearly didn't want to like it but had to come around a bit. Interesting he thinks the ride is as firm as the GLC AMG. That's not what the others have said about the ride on that thing.
I rolled my eyes when he complained about the turn signal cameras. That is one of the best features on modern Hyundai/Kia products. Don't like it? Don't look at it. Such a weird thing to nitpick, and a sign that the reviewer is just looking for reasons to not like the car.

I wonder if the ride was tuned differently for the U.S. market models compared to the Canadian ones. Most U.S. reviewers mentioned that the suspension was notably firm, whereas all Canadian reviews put it on the soft and spongy side.
 
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The stiffness of the sport seats and the firmer ride of the 21” wheels is something that I noticed on my test drives. Luckily you can get the car without those two options depending on which spec you choose. The base car I drove had comfortable seats and rode considerably better.
The thigh extender also inflates & deflates the cushion. He probably had it in Sport which inflates the cushion, he could've let the air out.
 
The edmunds review lost all credibility when he likened the stiffness of the seats to that of a lotus elise, a track focused car. That was a ridiculous take and I stopped watching after that.
 
The Edmunds reviewer is an unqualified idiot.
 
Edmunds

The written portion

 
Personally for me guys from Throttle House and TheStraight Pipes said everything I needed to know about the car.

Esp. TH (they know a lot more about driving dynamics than the TSP guys).


I'm looking forward to see what Alex and Savageese have to say. They seem to be very thorough and not in anyone's pocket but ho knows these days where everyone is on the take.

SG has a bit of a Honda/Acura bias - having owned a bunch.

Sofyan (Redline) deservedly got crushed for his overly positive first take on the Type S (esp the drag with the S4; when TH raced the 2, wasn't remotely close).

One could say that the TH guys have a bit of a German bias, but I trust Thomas when it comes to driving dynamics.

Despite being a BMW guy, Thomas has crushed past BMWs which have strayed from the Ultimate Performance Machine mantra.
 
Esp. TH (they know a lot more about driving dynamics than the TSP guys).




SG has a bit of a Honda/Acura bias - having owned a bunch.

Sofyan (Redline) deservedly got crushed for his overly positive first take on the Type S (esp the drag with the S4; when TH raced the 2, wasn't remotely close).

One could say that the TH guys have a bit of a German bias, but I trust Thomas when it comes to driving dynamics.

Despite being a BMW guy, Thomas has crushed past BMWs which have strayed from the Ultimate Performance Machine mantra.
Redline and SG both love the GV80 ( with the 3.5) so I expect them to say good things. Redline will not like the exhaust note because it doesn't "pop and crackle". SG will say the steering and handling are numb but will like it over-all.
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I rolled my eyes when he complained about the turn signal cameras. That is one of the best features on modern Hyundai/Kia products. Don't like it? Don't look at it. Such a weird thing to nitpick, and a sign that the reviewer is just looking for reasons to not like the car.

Not to mention you can just disable the turn-signal camera feature if you don't like it. Would still have the nice digital dash but no video popping up.
 
Here's another review that is not well done. I thought this car had multi -link front and rear?
It does, but American reviewers for some reason keep claiming that the GV70 uses the same platform as the G70, even though it doesn't. The GV70 platform is the same scalable M3 architecture as in the new GV80 and G80 with the same multi-link front and rear, and like the electric G80 is also compatible with an EV setup as we can already see from spyshots of the EV GV70 variant floating around.

The G70 uses struts up front and was never designed with electrification in mind. The G70 platform itself was a slightly cheaper version of the one from the old 2015 Hyundai Genesis. It also wasn't built to accommodate the new 3.5TT found in the G80, GV80, and GV70, which is why the G90/Stinger/G70 have yet to receive it.
 
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Here's another review that is not well done. I thought this car had multi -link front and rear?

It’s misleading marketing speak to call the GV70 front suspension multi-link. It’s a strut that attaches to the chassis in three places just like a MacPherson. The difference is that rather than a single pivot point attaching to an A at the base of the strut the GV70 has two attachment points connected to separate links. This lets them create a “virtual pivot” that improves scrub radius slightly, but it has all the camber change and roll-center height issues of a traditional MacPherson strut suspension. Properly designed a double wishbone or true multi-link is significantly superior.

The guys calling the front “multi-link“ fell for marketing BS, the guys calling it a strut got it right. IMHO, but it’s dead easy to look under the car and see for yourself: no upper attachment points like a double wishbone or true multi-link to improve the kinematics.
 
Here ya go, not the greatest perspective, but shows everything, (from a standard model). Think I labeled it correctly.

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This is the X3 front suspension (which actually is a MacPherson strut) compared to the GV70's. Doesn't look like a strut to me.

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The video this screenshot was taken from has a good breakdown of the mechanicals (albeit in Korean), mentioning how Genesis modified the M3 platform for the GV70 compared to the GV80 and G80:


Likewise, in the new Genesis G80, the upper control arm was simplified from two links to one link. The GV70 seems to be using a similar setup.

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Here ya go, not the greatest perspective, but shows everything, (from a standard model). Think I labeled it correctly.

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Yep, good shot. Three attachment points to the chassis...

So why is a strut suspension considered inferior? The ability to control camber change as the suspension compresses is limited to non-existent because the hub is attached to the strut and hence along for the ride. The other big issue is that roll-center height (effectively how stiff the suspension is in roll as the car corners) changes as the wheel deflects, and hence it changes as the car rolls or goes over bumps.

Despite these drawbacks the strut can be great over limited deflection ranges. Every street 911 up until the newest GT3 used a strut suspension rather than multi-link up front. The Boxster and Cayman/ GT4 use struts front and rear (rear is far more important). Clearly over limited deflection ranges struts can be made to work very well, and the GV70 does have a relatively limited range compared to some competitors (no height adjustable suspension, etc). Thus there’s no need for an inferiority complex, I just wouldn’t kid myself: the GV70 does have a strut.
 
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The massive one-piece upper control arm isn't visible to you from the comparison between the GV70 and X3?
I’d think this would be obvious, but I’d again suggest you should refrain from commenting authoritatively about a car you don’t own, haven’t driven and pretty clearly don’t know f*all about.

No. I don’t see some imagined “massive upper control arm” when I look at the car *sitting in my garage*. Or a picture of it. Do you? I’d also note that the image you’re linking isn’t of an upper control arm (and probably isn’t even a GV70). But I’m sure it’s all the same from behind a keyboard...

Gotta love fanboys.

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