Great mileage using 100 percent petrol

[litesong]

Keep it constructive or let it die.

Either geops agrees that 100% gasoline(E0) increases mpg or geops doesn't agree that E0 increases mpg...... by 8%, 7%, or 5%. If E0, compared to 10% ethanol blend(E10), does increase mpg by 8%, 7%, or 5%, that's a good reason to keep this thread going.

 

[Gunkk]

 

[litesong]

Popcorn eaters probably have no access to E0 & can't verify the 1-2 gallons of 87 octane 10% ethanol blend(E10) in their gas tanks are ineffectively used(not burned efficiently) in low compression ratio(9:1 to 11:1) octane 87 gasoline engines. Yes indeed! The EPA & the "ethanol in gasoline industry" dump ineffective ethanol into your gas, then takes away your right to be able to prove ethanol isn't any good in your engine.

 

[litesong]

Steve says:
March 11th, 2007 at 9:26 pm

I am an economic statistician by trade so I constantly collect data on numerous things just by habit. I’ve collected MPG stats on my 92 Sentra since I got her new years ago. Prior to the 10% ethanol switch, I would get a median average of 35MPG with a range of about +-1mpg. This was established over about the past 30k miles. After the ethanol switch, I am now down to a median average of 33MPG with a range of about the same as before.
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litesong wrote:
35/33=1.06 or a 6% gain in mpg. If more accurate data were available, it could be 35.2/32.8=1.073 or 7.3% better mpg.......very similar to my long term data for 3 gasoline vehicles of 8%, 7% & 5% AND as I've noted from hundreds of other posts of similar data by 100% ethanol-free gasoline advocates.

 

[litesong]

427435 didn't like all the support for ethanol-free gasoline on this thread. Now let 427435 fight with Congress, who wants to get rid of ethanol in gasoline, totally......
http://www.insidercarnews.com/the-end-of-ethanol-in-gasoline-may-be-near/

 

[litesong]

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[shagnat]

First time ready (some) of this thread. Seems the major topic is lost (as usual) but if anyone thinks non-ethanol gasoline doesn't get better mileage than the ethanol crap is either ignorant or doesn't want to know the truth.

I have access to non-ethanol based gasoline, but, they rip you off by charging ~40-50 cents more per gallon. I've used it and much prefer it as my mileage is just better, but, not enough to pay the difference.

Rhetorical: I don't know why ethanol is still being used since it's properties are anti-progressive on most any level worth mentioning.

PLEASE don't waste your time blasting my opinion as I don't re-read posts of this type.

 

[litesong]

..... if anyone thinks non-ethanol gasoline doesn't get better mileage than....ethanol,..... doesn't want to know the truth.
I have access to non-ethanol based gasoline, but, they rip you off by charging ~40-50 cents more per gallon. I've used it and much prefer it as my mileage is just better, but, not enough to pay the difference.

Almost everyone here agrees with you. Only one "hard head" continuously shills for ethanol.
I am in the same situation as you. Just filled with E0 for a "bargain" price, 7.3% over E10 prices. Will save a few pennies for "cents per mile" because E0 gives me 8+% better mpg. However, generally, I pay 10% to 12% over E10 prices to have E0. Last years' price collapse of E10 caused the E10/E0 price gap to rip open to 30% to 40% here in western Washington state.

The EPA & "ethanol in gasoline industry" have worked hard to stomp out E0. & they did a good job. E0 sources are rare & E0 even rarer. With that rarity, economics dictate that E0 prices rise. However, the website pure- gas. org has increased its E0 sources list from 2000 to 9088 sources, presently. Despite the stomping, E0 is increasing in popularity & federal legislation is strong now to repeal mandates that force ethanol to dilute our national fuel supplies.

 

[svensk]

http://autoweek.com/article/car-life/jay-leno-hates-ethanol

 

[427435]

Almost everyone here agrees with you. Only one "hard head" continuously shills for ethanol.
I am in the same situation as you. Just filled with E0 for a "bargain" price, 7.3% over E10 prices. Will save a few pennies for "cents per mile" because E0 gives me 8+% better mpg.

Dream on. If you get that much better mpg, you (the driver) are responsible.

However, generally, I pay 10% to 12% over E10 prices to have E0. Last years' price collapse of E10 caused the E10/E0 price gap to rip open to 30% to 40% here in western Washington state.

The EPA & "ethanol in gasoline industry" have worked hard to stomp out E0. & they did a good job. E0 sources are rare & E0 even rarer.

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With that rarity, economics dictate that E0 prices rise. However, the website pure- gas. org has increased its E0 sources list from 2000 to 9088 sources, presently. Despite the stomping, E0 is increasing in popularity & federal legislation is strong now to repeal mandates that force ethanol to dilute our national fuel supplies.

There are a lot of myths spread by people like you and big oil.

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[427435]

http://autoweek.com/article/car-life/jay-leno-hates-ethanol

Yes, there are problems with old cars--------especially old cars from the 30's and older. Not so with current cars or cars less than 15-20 years old.

 

[427435]

And yes, E10 provides fewer mpg than E0. All of 2-3%!!!!!!

And that is scientifically a fact--------and well proven by EPA tests.

 

[litesong]

E10 provides fewer mpg than E0. All of 2-3%.....

Didn't know the word "great" was defined as 2-3%. I do know that the term "great collapse" is defined, "When only 10% ethanol is blended into gasoline, E10 mpg plunges by 8%, 7% & 5%.....& maybe 8+%".
Meanwhile, the Congress is working overtime to repeal mandates to dilute our nation's gasoline supplies with ethanol. 427435 can sway all of Congress with its "great".......ethanol propaganda.

 

[427435]

Didn't know the word "great" was defined as 2-3%. I do know that the term "great collapse" is defined, "When only 10% ethanol is blended into gasoline, E10 mpg plunges by 8%, 7% & 5%.....& maybe 8+%".
Meanwhile, the Congress is working overtime to repeal mandates to dilute our nation's gasoline supplies with ethanol. 427435 can sway all of Congress with its "great".......ethanol propaganda.

Unfortunately, your facts are what are called anecdotal and unscientific. Meanwhile, the REAL facts, proven both with science and repeatable, controlled tests, say 2-3%.

As for congress, are you talking about the people that are well funded by big oil???

 

[DRS]

Wonder how long a 427-435 would last with 10% or more ethanol in it? I think we ought to convince Mr 427 to put this mix in his collector car... If he owns a real 427

 

[427435]

Wonder how long a 427-435 would last with 10% or more ethanol in it? I think we ought to convince Mr 427 to put this mix in his collector car... If he owns a real 427

You ever check out the picture in my heading? That was taken in MY backyard with MY cars.

And while it has not been driven much in the last few years, it has E10 premium in it's gas tank------------and was last filled up about 3 years ago. Still starts every time I try.

 

[DRS]

Pictures can be gathered up from just about anywhere on the Internet. You acquire those from government subsidized corn or finished ethanol proceeds, down the throats of others? Had to add this.. A bit snarky. Some reason, like in the business of receiving subsidies, one is so passionate like you about ethanol.

10%? Good luck with that. And even better luck with E85 in those tanks.

 

[Bill K]

Don't have access to 100 percent gas in Illinois, but I don't seem to need it. Last Sunday I drove up to Kenosha (60-65 mile round trip), and averaged 31.4 on the way up, and 30 on the way back (way up was 10 over the limit, and back was 15 over the limit)
Not bad for a big V6.

 

[427435]

Pictures can be gathered up from just about anywhere on the Internet. You acquire those from government subsidized corn or finished ethanol proceeds, down the throats of others? Had to add this.. A bit snarky. Some reason, like in the business of receiving subsidies, one is so passionate like you about ethanol.

10%? Good luck with that. And even better luck with E85 in those tanks.

Believe what you want about my ownership (from new) of a 1967 427/435 hp Corvette, I don't really care-----------because it is in my garage, not yours.

I'm passionate about FACTS---------like most engineers. And the FACTS that count are those from repeatable, controlled tests. I have been the ONLY one that has presented FACTS like that on this thread so far.

As for snarky, you do have that covered.

 

[mf7lakes]

There are 77 pure gas / no-ethanol suppliers listed in IL on the following link:

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=IL