Great mileage using 100 percent petrol

[litesong]

And the FACTS that count are those from repeatable, controlled tests. I have been the ONLY one that has presented FACTS like that on this thread so far.

Yes, you are the only one to present data produced by the EPA/(ethanol in gasoline industry) propagandists. The data NEEDS TO PROVE THE WORTH OF ETHANOL USED IN GASOLINE ENGINES, SO THE EPA/(ethanol in gasoline industry) is proven worthy. & how 'bout dat!!! The propagandist' data proves the worth of ethanol in gasoline engines.

Ethanol engine engineers built high octane, high compression ratio (16:1) ethanol engines to get the most efficiency from 114 octane ethanol. But lo(low) & behold! The EPA/(ethanol in gasoline industry) propagandists get almost the same efficiency out of ethanol, by using low 87 octane, low compression ratio(9:1 to 12:1) gasoline engines. Truly, miraculous events have transpired in the EPA/(ethanol in gasoline industry). Events stating, that high octane high compression ratio ethanol engine engineers only needed to be low octane low compression ratio gasoline engine engineers to make ethanol work right.

It must be tough to be one person against the mob. It must be tough to be a propagandist.

 

[Bill K]

There are 77 pure gas / no-ethanol suppliers listed in IL on the following link:

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=IL

I'd have to drive 60 miles to fill up my tank....(one way)

 

[litesong]

After decades of EPA stonewalling that ethanol doesn't hurt gasoline engines......From Consumer Reports:

Combining (gasoline) direct injection with other technologies—such as turbocharging—can deliver even greater gains in economy and performance. Although the breakthrough seems like a dream come true, an unwanted side effect has been emerging. Letter writers have complained to Consumer Reports and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) that over time DI can lead to clogged fuel systems and engine carbon buildup. The result can be engine hesitation and a loss of power—and the need for expensive repairs. Some carmakers......recommending that drivers use only name-brand detergent gasoline—without ethanol additives—
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Yeah, ya got that right.....use 100% ethanol-free gasoline(E0). Yet, the EPA works so that the large majority of Americans CAN'T BURN E0.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/02/pros-and-cons-of-direct-injection-engines/index.htm

 

[DRS]

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[Bill K]

"Some carmakers......recommending that drivers use only name-brand detergent gasoline—without ethanol additives—"

Hyundai mentions Tier 1 gas, but does not mention ethanol.

 

[litesong]

litesong wrote:
"Some carmakers......recommending that drivers use only name-brand detergent gasoline—without ethanol additives—"
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Bill K wrote:
Hyundai mentions Tier 1 gas, but does not mention ethanol.
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litesong wrote:
In late breaking Technical Service Bulletins, as mentioned in Consumer Report: BMW and Kia(owned, in part, by Hyundai), have issued technical service bulletins (TSBs) to their dealers recommending that drivers use only name-brand detergent gasoline—without ethanol additives—
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In addition as a group, auto makers do NOT recommend 15% ethanol blends for use(not efficiently burned) in their gasoline engines. What part of NOT RECOMMENDED 15% ethanol blends is..... 10% ethanol blends? Is 2/3rds of a dose of poison, poisonous? Also on top of this addition, numerous court cases have gone against ethanol fuel blenders, because they have mistakenly or purposefully, over-blended ethanol into supposed 10% ethanol blends. Some cases include mistaken double blending to 20% ethanol blends. Extreme over-blending has been found to as much as 64% ethanol blends, sold as 10% ethanol blends.

Don't worry. The top is blowing off the lie that ethanol is a fuel for gasoline engines. Only high octane, high compression ratio(16:1) ethanol engines get maximum btus from ethanol. My four low 87 octane, low compression ratio cars, after a decade of E10/E0 comparison, when only 10% ethanol is added to gasoline, lose 8%, 8%, 7% & 5% mpg. Yep! Ethanol is NOT a fuel for gasoline engines.

 

[427435]

Yes, you are the only one to present data produced by the EPA/(ethanol in gasoline industry) propagandists. The data NEEDS TO PROVE THE WORTH OF ETHANOL USED IN GASOLINE ENGINES, SO THE EPA/(ethanol in gasoline industry) is proven worthy. & how 'bout dat!!! The propagandist' data proves the worth of ethanol in gasoline engines.

Ethanol engine engineers built high octane, high compression ratio (16:1) ethanol engines to get the most efficiency from 114 octane ethanol. But lo(low) & behold! The EPA/(ethanol in gasoline industry) propagandists get almost the same efficiency out of ethanol, by using low 87 octane, low compression ratio(9:1 to 12:1) gasoline engines. Truly, miraculous events have transpired in the EPA/(ethanol in gasoline industry). Events stating, that high octane high compression ratio ethanol engine engineers only needed to be low octane low compression ratio gasoline engine engineers to make ethanol work right.

It must be tough to be one person against the mob. It must be tough to be a propagandist.

So you've circled back to the compression thing again-------------after I schooled you on that subject earlier (I take it that you still haven't mastered the book "Design of Internal Combustion Engines" yet (have you even obtained a copy of it?).

The EPA test is a standardized test usually run by the auto companies themselves. And the EPA (and its tests) have been around for quite a number of different political administrations-----------and the "propaganda" of those various administrations has hardly been consistent.

As for being a propagandist, you seem to be trying very hard to carry water for the Koch brothers or someone in big oil, what with all the spurious stuff about compression ratios--------------even after I pointed out the error of your ways.

 

[427435]

Again, Litesong, the FACTS are:

1. E10 has about 97-98% of the energy of E0.

2. E85 has about 72-73% of the energy of E0.

3. The mpg from repeatable, controlled EPA tests show that E85 (in the same car, on the same test) gets about 72-73% of the mpg as E0. If compression ratio played a part in mpg of E10, it would sure play a very big part of mpg with E85.

Thus E10 can be expected tp get (and does get) 97-98% of the mpg as E0.

 

[2011 Genesis 4.6]

Thats assuming every tank full is just gas and ethanol, as mentioned many times ethanol will absorb water and so your gallon of "gas" could have a percentage of non-volatile liquid

 

[2013 RSPEC SEDAN]

I only run premium 93 Octane. Is there a recommended gas station brand for the 5.0 Genesis?

For example Ford recommends BP in their owners manual.

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[427435]

Thats assuming every tank full is just gas and ethanol, as mentioned many times ethanol will absorb water and so your gallon of "gas" could have a percentage of non-volatile liquid

Not likely in today's closed fuel systems. For that matter, the old Vette (with a vented fuel system) still starts with 3 year old gas, and the motorhome starts every spring without issues with gas that has sat in it's tank for 5-6 months.

 

[2011 Genesis 4.6]

Not likely in today's closed fuel systems. For that matter, the old Vette (with a vented fuel system) still starts with 3 year old gas, and the motorhome starts every spring without issues with gas that has sat in it's tank for 5-6 months.

I am fairly sure it was you that actually provided proof that gas station fuel tanks likely had a percentage of water in the tank but that was fine because the ethanol would absorb it and allow it to run through your car without damage.

That just means that water is still in the fuel and thus affects mpg

 

[litesong]

From 1-17-2015:

It is NOT engine tuning AND it is not the 3% energy difference between 10% ethanol blends(E10) & gasoline. It is the difference between ethanol engines(using 100% ethanol) & gasoline engines(that should be using 100% gasoline(E0)). Ethanol used(not burned effectively) in low compression ratio(9:1 to 12:1) gasoline engines CANNOT release all its energy, as ethanol burned(effectively) in a high compression ratio(16:1) ethanol engine CAN release all its energy.

Again, ethanol engine engineers are good. Gasoline engine engineers are good. "ethanol in gasoline" propagandists are NOT engineers & NOT good.

Anyhow, pure-gas.org will have listings for 10,000 sources of 100% gasoline(E0) by the beginning of 2016. The "ethanol in gasoline" industry & the EPA can no longer suppress the truth that ethanol is NOT burning effectively in gasoline engines.

pure-gas.org now lists 10,104 ethanol-free gasoline (E0) sources in U.S. & Canada, passing 10,000 E0 sources in late September 2015. E0 sources are growing at greater than 1% per month.

 

[litesong]

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[SixFootSix]

I just drove round trip from San Diego to San Francisco, and averaged 32 MPG with the 2012 5.0. It also did not burn any oil during the 1000 miles of driving. (Cruise control was set to 60-65, and I drove during non traffic periods).